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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 02:50 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
the ontheissues team needs to update their website

http://www.ontheissues.org/Background_Crime.htm

Quote:
Democratic 2016 Prospects:
Secy.Hillary Clinton
Gov.Andrew Cuomo(NY)
Mayor Rahm Emanuel(IL)
Gov.Martin O`Malley(MD)
Gov.Deval Patrick(MA)

Republican 2016 Prospects:
Gov.Jeb Bush(FL)
Amb.John Bolton(MD)
Dr.Ben Carson(MD)
Gov.Chris Cristie(NJ)
Sen.Ted Cruz(TX)
Rep.Newt Gingrich(GA)
Rep.Peter King(NY)
Gov.Sarah Palin(AK)
Sen.Rand Paul(KY)
Gov.Rick Perry(TX)
Sen.Rob Portman(OH)
Sen.Marco Rubio(FL)
Rep.Paul Ryan(WI)

Third Party 2016 Prospects:
Mayor Mike Bloomberg(I-NYC)
Gov.Gary Johnson(L-NM)
Donald Trump(I-NYC)
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revelette2
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:24 pm
@snood,
If it wasn't a presidential campaign, I would say of course fight it. I think she should still fight it, just not while she is campaigning on a democrat ticket. I think you are underestimating the republicans abilities to turn this whole email thing into the only issue being talked about complete with hearings as in plural hearings. I see her as a liability now to the democratic party election chances in the general.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 08:35 pm
Social Security tax cap

Hillary Clinton supports retaining the cap on the Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (which funds Social Security and Medicare).[62] The tax cap makes income in excess of $102,000 untaxable. The result is that the top 6% of income earners don't pay the social security tax on income above $117,000. Hillary Clinton called repealing the Social Security tax cap a "tax increase on the middle class."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton
snood
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 08:44 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I went to that wiki link, but couldn't find what you shared above. Probably just my tired old eyes. could you cut and paste that info verbatim?
ehBeth
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 09:26 pm
@snood,
bobsal did quote it directly

item 2.10 on that wikipedia page

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the problem, again, is that some of the material is unreferenced and other parts are from 2008 and no longer quite on point
roger
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 09:59 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Has anyone mentioned there is also a cap on social security benefits? Actually, I would like the tax cap removed as well - mostly because I want their money, but still. . . .
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 12:22 am
When Hillery runs for the democratic nomination I am going to vote for her. I'll be damned if I will let a bunch of republican shyt pushers use their lies to convince me to not vote for someone they are scared shytless of. They want Biden or Sanders because they believe they will be eaiser to beat then Hillery. It blows my mind how all you supposed democrat middle of the roaders have let the republicans convince you she isent a viable candidate. And they say brainwashing dosent work. Only in the media driven U S of A.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 12:41 am
@RABEL222,
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It blows my mind how all you supposed democrat middle of the roaders have let the republicans convince you she isent a viable candidate


Hillary's massive problems have been well known to most for a very long time. I would argue that you are the one who suffers from brainwashing if anyone is. What should blow your mind is that the elite decided that running her and no one else was a good idea.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:47 am
@snood,
That is cut and pasted verbatim. Its the last item before the foreign policy section (where that first item is "Arab-Israeli conflict, relations with Israel").
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:50 am
@ehBeth,
Realizing, of course, she wasn't in the Senate after 2008.

The way I'd check the position is google 'hillary clinton and social security'.
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 07:36 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

When Hillery runs for the democratic nomination I am going to vote for her. I'll be damned if I will let a bunch of republican shyt pushers use their lies to convince me to not vote for someone they are scared shytless of. They want Biden or Sanders because they believe they will be eaiser to beat then Hillery. It blows my mind how all you supposed democrat middle of the roaders have let the republicans convince you she isent a viable candidate. And they say brainwashing dosent work. Only in the media driven U S of A.

Exactly right. Well said. Blows my mind too.
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 07:38 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

That is cut and pasted verbatim. Its the last item before the foreign policy section (where that first item is "Arab-Israeli conflict, relations with Israel").


Sorry. I saw it when I re-read. Does it enter into your consideration of the matter that this was her position 7-8 years ago, and positions change?
ehBeth
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 08:19 am
@snood,
this page has a handy comparison chart ( I haven't finished looking at it, so don't know all the categories)

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/35-40/Bernie-Sanders-vs-Hillary-Clinton

From my quick look at it, it appears that defense/foreign affairs is the only zone where they differ much. There are links to their campaign websites there.

Ms. Clinton's current page on Social Security and Medicare

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

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Throughout her career, Hillary has spoken out for seniors and stood up for Medicare and Social Security, and she is committed to preserving, protecting and strengthening these lifelines for today's seniors and for future generations. Seniors have paid into these programs for a lifetime, and they've earned those benefits when they retire.

On Social Security, Hillary Clinton has stood firmly against Republican efforts to privatize the program and weaken it for our seniors. She believes that we should enhance—rather than roll back—Social Security, especially for women.

As senator, Hillary co-sponsored and sponsored bills to reduce the impact of the Medicare prescription drug gap by reducing the price of pharmaceuticals for seniors. She will build on these efforts by demanding lower prices for prescription drugs for seniors in Medicare—and reforming our health care delivery system to reward quality and value, and strengthen Medicare over the long run.

As president, Hillary will defend against the efforts to privatize Medicare and Social Security, and will work to enhance both programs for our most vulnerable seniors.


Mr. Sanders' issues page.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Social Security is covered under Income and Wealth Inequality

https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/

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Expanding Social Security by lifting the cap on taxable income above $250,000. At a time when the senior poverty rate is going up, we have got to make sure that every American can retire with dignity and respect.
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 08:44 am
"On Social Security, Hillary Clinton has stood firmly against Republican efforts to privatize the program and weaken it for our seniors. She believes that we should enhance—rather than roll back—Social Security, especially for women."

This seems to fly in the face of at least one earlier claim on this thread about her heinous views.
revelette2
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 08:48 am
@snood,
I don't who would make claims Hillary has not always been a true progressive democrat on the social issues, perhaps of late some make claims of her being connected to big businesses or something but she has always voted progressive when in the senate and stood for progressive values for as long as she has been in politics. On women and children's issues, she can't be beat.
snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 08:52 am
@revelette2,
I agree with you. Mush has been made about Sanders' consistently being on the progressive side of issues. Unfortunately a lot of democrats seem to want to find whatever exceptions they can find and trumpet them, even though (like on her support for the Iraq war) Hillary has adjusted course and stands solidly with President Obama and the Progressive agenda.
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ehBeth
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 08:56 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
On women and children's issues, she can't be beat.


I posted about this years ago - we talked about her work with women and children (particularly the Children's Defense Fund) when I was in university over 30 years ago. She was seen as being pretty radical (in a good way Wink )
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 01:58 pm
@snood,
Its all good. Questioning sources is good for both of us. I've modified my impression of how Hillary Clinton stands on SS. I disagree with it, but for a correct reason.

Frankly fixing the cap won't affect it as much as some way of paying back the money the Bush Administration borrowed from SS fund to pay for its Iraq/Afghani war disaster.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 02:04 pm
Hillary Clinton and her stand on dark money/PAC money, lobby money

The cash donations Hillary simply has no answer for

The Clinton Foundation's business relationship with 20 foreign governments raises real questions about her judgment VIDEO
David Sirota Follow

The cash donations Hillary simply has no answer for

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/

Among all the rivers of money that have flowed to the Clinton family, one seems to raise the biggest national security questions of all: the stream of cash that came from 20 foreign governments who relied on weapons export approvals from Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

Federal law designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, military hardware and services to foreign countries. In practice, that meant that Clinton was charged with rejecting or approving weapons deals — and when it came to Clinton Foundation donors, Hillary Clinton’s State Department did a whole lot of approving.

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation. That was a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American military contractors and their affiliates that donated to the Clinton Foundation — and in some cases, helped finance speaking fees to Bill Clinton — also got in on the action. Those firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.

Under a directive signed by President Clinton in 1995, the State Department is supposed to take foreign governments’ human rights records into account when reviewing arms deals. Yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department increased approvals of such deals to Clinton Foundation donors that her own agency was sharply criticizing for systematic human rights abuses.

As just one of many examples, in its 2011 Human Rights Report, Clinton’s State Department slammed Algeria’s government for imposing “restrictions on freedom of assembly and association,” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption” and a “lack of judicial independence.”

That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and the next year Clinton’s State Department approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The jump included authorizations for almost 50,000 items classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment.” The State Department had not authorized the export of any of such items to Algeria the year before.

During Hillary Clinton’s 2009 Senate confirmation hearings, Republican Sen. Richard Lugar said the Clinton Foundation should stop accepting foreign government money. He warned that if it didn’t, “foreign governments and entities may perceive the Clinton Foundation as a means to gain favor with the secretary of state.”

The Clintons did not take his advice. Advocates for limits on the political influence of money now say that Lugar was prescient.

“The word was out to these groups that one of the best ways to gain access and influence with the Clintons was to give to this foundation,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center.

While these arms deals may seem like ancient history, Lawrence Lessig, the director of Harvard University’s Safra Center for Ethics, says they “raise a fundamental question of judgment” — one that is relevant to the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Can it really be that the Clintons didn’t recognize the questions these transactions would raise?” he said. “And if they did, what does that say about their sense of the appropriate relationship between private gain and public good?”

David Sirota is a senior writer for the International Business Times and the best-selling author of the books "Hostile Takeover," "The Uprising" and "Back to Our Future." E-mail him at [email protected], follow him on Twitter @davidsirota or visit his website at www.davidsirota.com.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 02:40 pm
Hillary Clinton and her stand(s) on Keystone XL

Hillary Clinton's 5 takes on the Keystone Pipeline

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/politics/hillary-clinton-keystone-pipeline-history/index.html


Washington (CNN)—Hillary Clinton moved from being "inclined" to support the controversial Keystone XL pipeline to announcing Tuesday that she'd oppose it. The move that comes as the former secretary of state seeks the Democratic presidential nomination and felt pressure from rival candidates as well as environmentalists and progressives.

Here's how she got to Tuesday:

October 2010: We're "inclined" to back it

"We haven't finish all of the analysis," Clinton, then secretary of state, told the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. "So as I say, we've not yet signed off on it. But we are inclined to do so and we are for several reasons."
 

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