When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Agreed and your welcome. For some reason people tend to think me male, not sure why, in any event, I could relate.

Sorry about that.

my apologies for the gender mixup

In my real life, my name gets me referred to as 'she' a lot

It is alright. When I started message boards long ago (during the Clinton/Monica thing)I decided to go with my name before I was married to try and be independent in thought if that makes sense.

Thanks for that, I'll look.
I didn't like Paglia much if at all, back in the day; I forget why. I might get over that.

Today's published Poll results show Sanders raising his support relative to Hillary among Democrats, and among Republicans, Trump still leading with Ben Carson raising his numbers in 2nd place.

All of this suggests to me that voters across the political spectrum may be knowlingly looking away from established political figures, and for something new.

Hillary of course is nothing if not a well-established political figure. Hwever what appeared (to me at least) as merely token competition from an obscure senator from Vermont, a self-declared socialist, has clearly become something far more significant than that, and appears to be still growing. It would be interesting to know just how all this is being rationalized within the Clinton camp, though I suspect they are still calculating that Democrats have no real alternative to Hillary, and are instead focused on the unfolding drama and disarray among Republicans. I don't support Sanders political views, and I'm not as optimistic about his chances as is Lash, but I must acknowledge all this has confounded my own expectations to a large degree. I suspect the strongest thing holding Hillary up right now in the Democrat establishment may be the absence of any credible replacement. That, plus the ongoing dynamic of investigations into her several evasions and deceptions makes for a situation that could change very quickly.

Among Republicans the Trump campaign and the results so far achieved have also confounded my expectations, as also has the rising support for Ben Carson, an appealing individual, but also very far removed from the political scene. Jeb Bush, a Republican figure with establishment credentials somewhat similar to Hillary's among Democrats is floundering. I still find it hard to believe that support for Trump could rise above current levels, or that he will be able to articulate something beyond the headline phrases in which he has indulged so far. However surprise appears to be the rule this year, and stranger things have already happened.

What gives? There appears to be some new dynamics at work in both political parties, all of which portends a very interessting and dynamic political year ahead. The country appears to be uneasy; deeply polarized on several issues, and experiencing shifting patterns of alegiance and support relative to traditional political lines. Surprise may be the rule, and not the exception, in the months ahead.

I still expect that Democrats will stick with Hillary as long as she appears credible, hoping for continued disarray among Republicans and that, as a result, she will be the last candidate standing in the race. It could happen that way, but the odds of something else look increasingly likely.

Well played, George.

I'd like to think if I were as conservative as you, I'd be able to make it as convincing.

I thought it was boring conventional wisdom that has invaded even liberal media now, I was disappointed, I was expecting something interesting.

Note to George: dont take this as in insult, take this as earned high expectations. I know that you are working to feed the mob by claiming not to like me so that they will talk to you but I also know you do. We are cool.

Thanks Frank. I'm not trying to argue either cause or to persuade the obviouly unpersuadable. Instead I'm trying to understand the situation and evaluate the likely possibilities. Those are questions that confront us all equally.

I'm not feeding anyone, merely expressing my own analysis and uncertainty about the causes and likely outcomes.

For which you first need to understand reality. For which I am am ready to help you.

Hillary Clinton is a liar and a person who insults the public with the most heavily lawyered rhetoric of any politician. She's famous for it. All the news orgs and half the country talk about it quite openly.

When I talk about it, and some miserable dry drunk claims that my opinion must be because I'm a jealous schoolgirl who's boyfriend has been stolen, he attempts to negate my autonomy as a human being and imply that as a woman, I don't have the right to an opinion. It's one way men try to claim superiority over women. So snood shows his attitude about women when he slips up with his sexist bullshit.

Just because it doesn't bother some other jackass woman means nothing.

Sexual Jealousy can explain weird behavior though, and I guess snood has plenty of experience with that. Stinging from rejection often causes bitterness and angry attack. Women have had acid thrown in their faces, they've been assaulted, raped, been stoned to death publicly - all for rebuffing a sexual come on from some insecure bastard.

So when some bastard attempts to negate you with some sexist manipulative bullshit, good luck with that. When some asshole man comes on to you privately a couple of times here and a lightbulb goes on for you as why their really personal attacks seem to come out of nowhere and the velocity from nothing to vicious really confounds you, remember a sister you failed... And keep those emails. I always do.

You're being excused from my sight.

Better watch out, Frank, mooning someone on a2k might well get you suspended as well as slapped with an NSFW!!!!

To give credit where it is due, he can make anything seem convincing, even weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

I think it is going to take a little bit more than has been handed out to make Hillary loose much less give up her candidacy. She's just got to ride this summer out, but pretty soon she should start to get serious, she's been too quiet. She still yet to make the case for why she in particular (not just any democrat)will help the middle class who has not benefited with the improved economy and why she would be better at foreign affairs rather than Sanders.

Actually...that is a picture of Pluto.

Some of the people posting here...are out there...near Pluto.

Who does their wifi?

It was really complicated when they were still on DSL!

I'll have to read back. I don't get your blast at Moment in Time, so I'll need to review. I've disagreed with her (and her other names) too, but pretty often have agreed.

Anyway, tangent - to me, Hillary Clinton is not the most pleasing democrat hopeful. I've elaborated the whys elsewhere. It may turn out that I need to accept the package and human she is, and vote yes, and if that is so, I will.

Hillary supporter: I hope she "bows out gracefully"

I’m a Hillary Clinton fan. But I hope she bows out with grace
by Mary Dejevsky * The Guardiqn * August 17, 2015

Hillary Clinton has a fundraising pot that is overflowing. She appears to be cruising to the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination: and then, if the stars align in her favour, on to a well-deserved place in history as the first female president of the United States.

Her supporters have wished it for so long, it seems almost impossible that it might not come to pass. And I would count myself among those supporters, ever since – as a Washington-based correspondent – I watched the lobbyists gang up to defeat her health plan, and observed how she toughed out the sordid revelations about her husband and “that woman, Miss Lewinsky”.

Clinton, as she showed then and has shown since, is not one to walk away. She embodies that all-American quip about the going getting tough and the tough getting going. But I just hope that there are those, somewhere in her entourage, who are even now begging her not to do it, and to bow out while there is still time to do so with grace.

Reality must be looked in the eye. Clinton is a hugely divisive figure, including within her own party – and not primarily because she is a woman. There is the clan question. What does it say about the meritocratic credentials of the United States that two of the most favoured candidates for 2016 are closely related to recent presidents? Neither is to blame but in my book, this alone would be a reason for both Clinton and Jeb Bush to leave the field. It is also a reason why they may not be electable.

Then there is the Bill question. A large section of the Republican party hates the Clinton name with the same venom that many Britons reserve for Margaret Thatcher, blaming Bill, as they see it, for defiling the presidency. This should not affect Hillary Clinton’s support – but it will limit her ability to appeal across parties. Nor do US voters need to be dragged all over again through the intricacies of the (loss-making) Whitewater land deal, the involvement of the Rose Law firm, or the suicide of a close aide, but they probably will. And if these Bill questions are not enough, there is another where she really does have some explaining to do: it concerns her involvement with his post-presidential charitable fundraising at a time when she held public office.

Clinton’s chief liability, though, is the baggage she carries of her own...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/17/hillary-clinton-white-house-too-much-baggage

I must point out that for that exact large section of the Republican Party, no Democrat is going to win a single one of their votes. Jesus could come down and if he was running as an immigrant loving, welfare promoting Democrat they would vote against him in a heartbeat. The fact that Clinton punches their buttons just means that their buttons won't be punched by someone else.