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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 15 Aug, 2015 04:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I argue that Sanders is a protest candidate just as Trump is, we have not suddenly turned socialist, though we are slowly moving in that direction as almost all current institutions lose credibility. As the elite who run the current system lose credibility.


The only thing worth responding to in your post is the statement by you above. There is a world of differences between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

Trump appeals to a very angry Demographic, mostly a very angry America who would like to take back their country from a black president!

Bernie Sanders appeals to basic needs in the American people that’s difficult for them to actually realize in capitalistic America.

Donald Trump is a first-class racist! In 2008 this creep poll ratings kept climbing by his using the Birther utility to lambast Obama, claiming he was a stealth candidate to stole the presidency.

Trump is a big-mouth sociopathic distortion of reality and sheer entertainment. FOX News was about to call it a day with him until they saw the ratings that over 24 millions viewers had turned in to see Trump. FOX lives for high ratings, and forgave Donald Trump.

Bernie Sanders is soothing to the mind, comforting, free of hostility and has refused to criticize Hillary Clinton!
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 15 Aug, 2015 05:06 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Trump appeals to a very angry Demographic, mostly a very angry America who would like to take back their country from a black president!

Bernie Sanders appeals to basic needs in the American people that’s difficult for them to actually realize in capitalistic America.


So why do so many PR shots show Sanders yelling? Supporters of both are angry. You make a mistake if you degrade the alleged reasons why Trump appeals....He leads, he tells the truth, at least his version of the truth, we the people are starving for both. Sanders tryies to as well but he has a very long record of failure at leadership, he has long been the old crank sitting by the wall that no one is listening to.

Another point: this has been made by others outside of A2K......the most damning thing about Hillary is that she did this E-mail thing when she knew that she would likely make another run at the POTUS chair. AND SHE DID IT ANYWAYS! That is just breathtaking in stupidity, in not knowing what matters, in not managing what matters. The R's would have to call for bringing back marital rape to show such a level of cluelessness
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 15 Aug, 2015 06:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
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So why do so many PR shots show Sanders yelling?



Bernie Sanders is passionate (many confuse passion with anger) and I can relate to that. If he appears angry it's because he is keenly aware of the many obstacles preventing Americans from living a wholesome desired life. Sanders has had it with political exploitation of the people. Once these self-serving political deviants get into office they sell their souls to the highest bidder and this is why the current congress is so dysfunctional. It's the Tea Party creeps against the Establishment Republicans and there is much infighting. There is one these these two segments of the Republican can agree on: [Republicans are besides themselves that the current president is Barack Obama.] Obama's presidency brings out the racist cultural DNA traits in them. Its no accident that we hear more regarding racism under Obama's two terms than previously when everything was seemingly just beneath the surface.

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Another point: this has been made by others outside of A2K......the most damning thing about Hillary is that she did this E-mail thing when she knew that she would likely make another run at the POTUS chair.


You take your conspiracy theories and spin them on some unsuspecting impressionable soul; I'm not buying what you're trying to sell. Unless you have something definitive, CONCRETE by which to judge Hillary, I don't want to hear it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 02:10 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

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on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

As a twenty year Zen Socialist I dispute the claim. I have over the years found very few people who could in any sense be labeled as socialists, and not since the early 70's hippies have I seen clusters of them.


MiT CLEARLY said "socialist matters", Hawk.

She didn't say people like being labeled as socialists.

Stop with the straw man.

Let me rephrase then....in my travels I have found very few people who have an affinity for ideas that could even remotely be considered socialist.

Happy now?

You knew what I meant, you were being an asshole again.


No...actually I was not.

If you want people to respond to what you meant rather than to what you write...wouldn't it be better to actually write what you mean?

In any case, unless you have not traveled more than a block or two in your life...I find it hard to accept that you have found very few people who have an affinity for ideas that could even remotely be considered socialist.

That sounds like baloney.
snood
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 05:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
[sniff, sniff] Smells like it, too.
http://images.wisegeek.com/bologna-against-white-background.jpg
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snood
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 05:33 am
If nothing else, this race is interesting...


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revelette2
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 06:44 am
@Moment-in-Time,
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Bernie Sanders is soothing to the mind, comforting, free of hostility and has refused to criticize Hillary Clinton!


You know, you are right, he hasn't criticized Hillary, I am pretty sure Hillary hasn't criticized Bernie either. Wonder how long they are going to be able to keep that up?
revelette2
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 06:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
I agree, in our country socialist is just another word for either democrat or progressive. I mean what democrat doesn't agree with the views Bernie Sanders talks about when he is talking about the poor and the rich? I suggest very few. Perhaps what Hawkeye is talking about is very few people want the label of being a socialist.
snood
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 07:12 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I agree, in our country socialist is just another word for either democrat or progressive. I mean what democrat doesn't agree with the views Bernie Sanders talks about when he is talking about the poor and the rich? I suggest very few. Perhaps what Hawkeye is talking about is very few people want the label of being a socialist.


Exactly - the 'Frank Luntzes' of the world are all too eager to pervert a word like 'socialist' into something demonic. They did it with 'liberal'. Did you notice that it's the Republican Party, but not the 'Democratic' Party? They all say 'Democrat' Party as if its a disease. I think all of that is contrived.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 07:22 am
@revelette2,
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Perhaps what Hawkeye is talking about is very few people want the label of being a socialist.
When was the last time you heard an American calling for the nationalization of a certain American industry other than healthcare? And if you listened there were very few who really wanted to go that far, most people wanted something like the German system.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 07:31 am
@revelette2,
When was the last time you heard anyone get up and say " this country's budget books and infrastructure are mess, we have to live at a lower standard of living so that we can fix this stuff"? How about " It is immoral to spend on debt and then leave that debt for our kids. We need to pay off as much as we can and apologize."?

bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 07:43 am
@hawkeye10,
How about getting people like Mitt Romeny paying over a 13% effective income tax?

Your argument is REJECTED.
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revelette2
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 08:21 am
@hawkeye10,
The polls on the whole Obamacare was that most people thought it didn't go far enough. Obamacare just became political so once again it was the label which was and is unpopular but when you got down to specifics like wanting to keep pre-existing conditions and other favorable parts, they liked it. People want public schools, better high ways, police protection, fire protection..., they have just been brainwashed into thinking the government is bad by fox news and the like. IMO
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 08:27 am
@revelette2,
ACA is a half loaf. Universal single payer health care system is the goal.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 08:39 am
The braying of an ass:


Donald Trump: It Would Be a 'Miracle' if Hillary Continues Run

by Alexandra Jaffe

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Donald Trump said it would be a "miracle" if Hillary Clinton is able to continue her run for president in the wake of the controversy surrounding her use of a private email server to conduct official business as Secretary of State — but if she does, he'll beat her.

"I think [Clinton] may not be able to run, to be honest, because this whole email thing is a horrible thing," he said in an interview conducted by NBC's Chuck Todd.

Trump likened her situation to that of General David Petraeus, who resigned as director of the CIA after his affair with his biographer was uncovered, and later accused to have shared classified materials with her. The controversy surrounding Clinton's email use intensified this month as reports revealed the FBI was investigating the security of her private server.

Related: Trump Says He'd Keep the Minimum Wage 'Pretty Much Where It is Now'

"General Petraeus, his life has been destroyed. And he did 5% of what she did," Trump said. "So assuming she's able to run — which would be absolutely, to me, a miracle at this point — I will beat her."

The GOP frontrunner offered that as evidence he hadn't conspired with the Clintons, as some skeptics believe, to enter the race to undermine the GOP's chances of taking back the White House. Trump said he had made up his mind to run before Bill Clinton phoned him and encouraged him "to play a larger role in the Republican Party," according to the Washington Post.

"And I think he's very disappointed that I'm running," Trump said of Bill, "because I'm the one person that's going to beat her."

Related: Trump Warns Iran Deal Will Lead to 'Nuclear Holocaust'

The real-estate mogul holds a lead in nearly every poll of the Republican field, but over the past month he's openly floated a contingency plan in case he doesn't win the nomination: Break off from the GOP and make a third-party run for the White House.

In his interview on "Meet the Press," however, Trump said he could drop his threat to make a third-party bid for the White House "in the not too distant future" — but hinted he was keeping the option over for "leverage."

"I'm not prepared to close that door yet," he said, when asked about his third-party threat. "But I wouldn't be surprised if someday in the not too distant future it happens."

The GOP frontrunner has been floating a potential independent bid for weeks over what he said was initially a lack of "support" from the Republican National Committee. Many party leaders, including RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, criticized Trump's controversial rhetoric and blustery style, and Trump said if party leadership were "not fair" towards him, the likelihood of his running third party would increase.

But it seems his relationship with the party has warmed considerably since then.

"They are treating me very well. I just want to be treated fairly," Trump said.

Still, the real-estate mogul kept the option open, saying he "believes in leverage."

"I would say that it's highly unlikely that I ever [run third-party]. But I just don't want to close that door yet," Trump said.
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 09:37 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I agree, in our country socialist is just another word for either democrat or progressive. I mean what democrat doesn't agree with the views Bernie Sanders talks about when he is talking about the poor and the rich? I suggest very few. Perhaps what Hawkeye is talking about is very few people want the label of being a socialist.
It appears that revelette2 lives in his own universe in which he assumes he can speak for everyone in it, and the relevant facts are exactly as he imagines them.

That' a fairly serious disability.
snood
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 09:54 am
@georgeob1,
revelette wrote:
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I mean what democrat doesn't agree with the views Bernie Sanders talks about when he is talking about the poor and the rich?


Do you disagree with this part of his statement? The reason I ask is because I don't think this part to be either untrue or presumptuous.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 10:18 am
@snood,
There are a fairly wide spectrum of views on the efficacy of the social and economic probrams Bernie Sanders advocates among those who identify with Democrats. There is ample reason for possible skepticism, Certainly the efficacy of various government directed redistribution programs of the last generation, including the so-called war on poverty, doesn't do much to recommend them as a solution to anything. The coming elections will likely reveal where the main priorities of today's Democrats lie. I woudn't presume to speak for them, and I am naturally suspicious of those who claim to know what others believe.
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Lash
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 10:39 am
@revelette2,
Thanks for speaking out about sexism when you see it - not for me so much, but for our daughters and granddaughters. Those sexist analogies had no place in the conversation.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sun 16 Aug, 2015 10:41 am
@revelette2,
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You know, you are right, he hasn't criticized Hillary, I am pretty sure Hillary hasn't criticized Bernie either. Wonder how long they are going to be able to keep that up?


I don't see why the competition between Hillary and Bernie should ever degenerate to that level of incivility. Sanders is simply not the type to send poisonous darts towards his opponents. Yesterday in Iowa, with reference to Donald Trump, he apologized saying "sorry, we left the helicopter at home." Very Happy Hillary would only strike out at Sanders if she thought she was personally being targeted. I think between these two we will find grown-up adults, minus the crippling rhetoric embraced by most Republicans.
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