When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I guess your complains may be more effective if you direct them to ABC, other major news orgs, the FBI, etc. I don't make the news, I just occasionally enjoy it. You seem so personally invested in Hillary. That's cute.

Cute, huh. Do you excuse your own nasty snark as just passionate support for Bernie? I guess you's almost have to, to keep the illusion alive that its other people that get personal in these presidential politics discussions, but you are just a true blue cheerleader. Damn, you'd think Clinton had stolen your boyfriend in middle school and Bernie was the benevolent uncle that financed your coming out party. Get a grip.

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@snood,

Don't mean to take sides, but don't you think that was a little bit on the sexist side? I agree she has a passionate liking to Sanders and just as passionate hate for Hillary, but it is not girlish to be passionate.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tips-deleting-emails-email-book-hillary-clinton-wanted/story?id=33046042

Hillary is in serious trouble - and The Donald seems to think that puts him in the catbird seat.

Nah. It puts Bernie in, though!

I'm inclined to agreee with you about Hillary. Certainly the issues attending the e mail controversy have gotten more serious and threatening to her in the four months since I started this thread, though I'll confess it hasn't grown as quickly as I then expected. The evidence now on the table appears to be sufficient to require continuing investigation pursued more vigorously. We shall see.... The Clintons have a fairly successful rrecord of outlasting such controversies and smearing their accusers, so I wouldn't discount her survival potential entirely.

I believe (and hope) that both Bernie and Trump are political outliers whose appeal to voters is far too narrow and limited to carry them to victory in the nastiuonal elections, though sufficient to give them early prominence in the early stages of the primaries. Interestingly all this helps Hillary in that, despite her current difficultiues, she retains broader political appeal for the national elections when compared to these two. Indeed they are remarkably perfect foils for her ... so good that I am a bit suspicious od it all.

If the Republicans can settle fairly soon on a few serious candidates I suspect Hillary's situationcould unravel fairly quickly. At the same time I'll confess that Trump's enduring prominence surprises me and confounds my expectations.

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From what I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the so called top secret email only a copy of a news report concerning a drone over Pakistan which had already been talked about? The emails were not labeled as classified and only labeled classified now. The whole thing is being blown out of proportion in my opinion, as far as that book, please. Rolling Eyes

Neither of the two emails sent to Hillary Rodham Clinton now labeled by intelligence agencies as "top secret" contained information that would jump out to experts as particularly sensitive, according to several government officials.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

From what I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the so called top secret email only a copy of a news report concerning a drone over Pakistan which had already been talked about? The emails were not labeled as classified and only labeled classified now. The whole thing is being blown out of proportion in my opinion, as far as that book, please.

Neither of the two emails sent to Hillary Rodham Clinton now labeled by intelligence agencies as "top secret" contained information that would jump out to experts as particularly sensitive, according to several government officials.

Yeah...but it give these guys a respite from having to shout "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" over and over again.

Give 'em a break! Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

I do not care all that much for Hillary: surprise. But she was an excellent Sect'y of State and the e-mails were legal if ill advised. Change the law.

Benghazi was actually a successfully handled crisis, by those on the ground -epecially the actions of the dead saved almost a score of lives- and State in the face of GOP budget cuts including $180M to provide security to US foreign missions.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Don't mean to take sides, but don't you think that was a little bit on the sexist side? I agree she has a passionate liking to Sanders and just as passionate hate for Hillary, but it is not girlish to be passionate.

You don't mean the "nasty snark" comment I guess. So you must mean the "stole your boyfriend" comment. If so, yeah I guess I can see where that could be sexist. In the future when I'm saying someone is batshit over the top and a hypocrite, I'll make an effort to be gender neutral.

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@revelette2,

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Don't mean to take sides, but don't you think that was a little bit on the sexist side? I agree she has a passionate liking to Sanders and just as passionate hate for Hillary, but it is not girlish to be passionate.

I read the post and do not think it "sexist." I am female, in every sense of the word, and believe the post was perfectly aimed. I see Lash's posts against Hillary as highly venomous, almost as if she knew something deeply personal about the candidate the rest of us are not aware of. Bernie Sanders whom Lash obviously places on a pedestal, is merely human who touches on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

Objectively, it's doubtful he will get the Democratic nomination, regardless how many thousands he attract to his speeches, but hey, hope springs eternal.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

As a twenty year Zen Socialist I dispute the claim. I have over the years found very few people who could in any sense be labeled as socialists, and not since the early 70's hippies have I seen clusters of them.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

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Don't mean to take sides, but don't you think that was a little bit on the sexist side? I agree she has a passionate liking to Sanders and just as passionate hate for Hillary, but it is not girlish to be passionate.

I read the post and do not think it "sexist." I am female, in every sense of the word, and believe the post was perfectly aimed. I see Lash's posts against Hillary as highly venomous, almost as if she knew something deeply personal about the candidate the rest of us are not aware of. Bernie Sanders whom Lash obviously places on a pedestal, is merely human who touches on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

Objectively, it's doubtful he will get the Democratic nomination, regardless how many thousands he attract to his speeches, but hey, hope springs eternal.

I'm agreeing with you here, MiT.

Big time.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

As a twenty year Zen Socialist I dispute the claim. I have over the years found very few people who could in any sense be labeled as socialists, and not since the early 70's hippies have I seen clusters of them.

MiT CLEARLY said "socialist matters", Hawk.

She didn't say people like being labeled as socialists.

Stop with the straw man.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

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on socialist matters that are dear to many middle class Americans.

As a twenty year Zen Socialist I dispute the claim. I have over the years found very few people who could in any sense be labeled as socialists, and not since the early 70's hippies have I seen clusters of them.

MiT CLEARLY said "socialist matters", Hawk.

She didn't say people like being labeled as socialists.

Stop with the straw man.

Let me rephrase then....in my travels I have found very few people who have an affinity for ideas that could even remotely be considered socialist.

Happy now?

You knew what I meant, you were being an asshole again.

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@Frank Apisa,

However rational people need to point out the fact that the Hillery haters are not adverse to lying their asses off in an attempt to damage her. Like not pointing out the e mails she sent and received werent classified secret till after she sent them. In some cases months after. Give the conservative Bengazi congressmen credit, they plan ahead.

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@hawkeye10,

To be clear "let the kids pay for it" and "let the rich pay for it" and "hand me the candy my government and I dont give a flying **** how you pay for it" and is not socialism.

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@revelette2,

Does passionate equal lying about the people you hate?

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@Frank Apisa,

Come on Frank, if Hawk couldent use strawmen arguements he wouldent be able to post here at all. Give him a break.

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@hawkeye10,

Bernie Sanders describes himself as a proud democratic socialist. He has declared loud and clear "the rich and super rich can't have it all."

Since being elected to the Senate, Sanders has emerged as a leading progressive voice on issues like income inequality, universal healthcare, climate change, LGBT rights, and campaign finance reform. All these subjects are of paramount concern to many diverse Americans which embody the fundamental values of our society; hence, social values or socialist matters.

I am for everything Sanders is for, but I am also a realist! The Republicans are still pulling out their hair over ObamaCare which insures the very poor among us....proclaiming they are going to repeal it as soon as one of them becomes president!...Ugh! What an illogical statement!....What are they going to replace it with?! As far as cleaning up the climate, well, not as long as lobbyists are paid to prevent such and our Congress lend themselves out for hire like whores to the highest bidder. This applies all across the political spectrum, even with respect to politics in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict where the Congress is bought lock stock and sinker to be pro-Israel.

Look at how the Republicans are going in for the kill against Hillary, someone they fear desperately. Frankly, methinks the GOP will lose this one also.

I will admit, a voice like Socialist Sanders is so soothing and psychologically so badly needed; alas, that will be a very hard road to travel with the odds so much against him.

You need to reframe your post because it really doesn't make much sense.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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Bernie Sanders describes himself as a proud democratic socialist. He has declared loud and clear "the rich and super rich can't have it all."

Class war is not a strictly socialist construct either. And I argue that Sanders is a protest candidate just as Trump is, we have not suddenly turned socialist, though we are slowly moving in that direction as almost all current institutions lose credibility. As the elite who run the current system lose credibility.

We have long been too afraid of class war to participate, but somewhere around 15 years ago people started to point out that we have been in a class war for a long time, and the Rich are winning almost every battle (Carlin was the first one I noticed saying it) . I think we are ready now. That does not mean that we are going to fight in this class war on the side of socialism.

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@snood,

I meant words like cheerleader and come out party. But never mind, she can very well speak for herself, just felt the need the need to call it as I saw it.

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As Bernie Sanders’s popularity grows and the e-mail bad news gets worse, Democrats see the front-runner as insular, defensive and tone-deaf to changes.

NYT's

WTF where the D's thinking? Were they thinking? Even if Hillary had both a record for being effective politically and also for running good campaigns running her unopposed was a bad idea, and she has neither. You dont put all of your money on a old horse with a record of failure. What the D bosses did is an insult to this nation. I renew my call for the death of the D party. The R party can go away too.

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