When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@revelette2,

Rev, I avoid getting angry at George for his obstinance by imagining I'm listening to Foghorn Leghorn when I read his huffery puffery.

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@georgeob1,

Let's go over your list:
Transportation Security Agency (TSA): They check everyone before boarding a plane to make sure they are not carrying anything to hurt anyone on the plane.
I feel more secure flying because of the TSA, and wouldn't have it any other way.

DMV office: Issues licenses and renewals to drive vehicles. They make sure that the individual applying for a drivers license meets the requirements to drive on the public roadways. I see this as a plus.

Bank, credit card agency: They need to make sure that the individual who withdraws money from the bank is authorized to do so. Also, the credit card issuer needs to make sure that the user of the credit card is able to pay the balance of any charge made on the credit card.

Most retail merchants in the country issue credit cards to cut the cost of processing, because credit card companies charge a fee which reduces the merchants margin of profit. I think American Express has the highest fee, and many merchants refuse to accept American Express cards.

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@georgeob1,

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Our GDP/capita is more than 22% higher than that of Canada,

Let's set aside whether that is an adequate metric for what was under discussion (existing nations where there is relative broad prosperity and relative liberty). The US, like those other nations, is not a libertarian state in the manner you argue it ought to move towards. It is a mixed economy with broad social programs in place. It is an example of a nation functioning within a progressive framework.

So, I'll ask again. Can you point to a functioning and prosperous nation with relative liberty that matches the design you have in mind for proper governance. You don't really want to offer up Hong Kong as the exemplar here, do you?

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The Brennan Center for Voting Rights is a very good resource for information on vote suppression. http://www.brennancenter.org/voting-restrictions-first-time-2016
I doubt we can count on george to wade in and do some research on these matters but that's fine. Voter suppression strategies are now broadly recognized and increasingly the courts are finding against such strategies/laws. This isn't a fight we are going to lose though it will be a battle for a while.

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@blatham,

I hope you are not discarding my Fog Horn Leghorn fantasy?

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@glitterbag,

As it happens, my nickname in grade school was Barnyard Leghorn (my first name is Bernard) so I'd like to retain ownership of the character. But I did like the earlier "tut tut"

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I've been trying to get my head around Trump's invitation to sedition today. It's not as if this had no presence in right wing world previously. Sharron Angle's "2nd amendment remedies" was the same thing though assassination of a President wasn't so openly spoken of as a possible option for the gun crazies. And there was the Bundy crowd with their automatic rifles pointed at government representatives.

But coming from a GOP candidate for the presidency while lying through his teeth as to what his opponent would do if she won the election - that is a degradation of political culture that I never expected to actually see.

We'll see who on the right has the balls to speak out on this tomorrow. The NRA is so influential over the GOP now that I won't be surprised if people like Ryan continue to keep kissing this guy's ass. Even after this.

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Hillary floated the idea of assassination of Obama, though not quite as crudely as Trump. You people act like it's unprecedented.

Meanwhile, Hillary is busted giving favors for money from the "Foundation" to the State Department. Her pay for play graft and corruption WAS the reason she used an outside server, of course.

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@Lash,

Pray tell, how did Hillary elegantly call for the assassination of President Obama? Apparently you hear the secret message buried in Hillary's public speaking gigs. Care to elaborate? You would be doing a service for those of us who don't hear let alone translate Hillary's secret calls for a coup. Not many of us have your talent to discover evil in the mundane. Pretend you are a teacher and instruct those of us who can't see the call for assassination buried in Hillary's evil pronouncements (that you alone have discovered).

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@glitterbag,

Don't hold your breath.

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@Baldimo,

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think voter fraud doesn't happen do you?

Maybe you'd like to post some figures on voter fraud?

Didn't think so.

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@Baldimo,

Same thing with alien abductions: the authorities just aren't catching them.

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@georgeob1,

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very little effort is invested in enforcing these laws anywhere in the country.

How does anyone as educated as much as a retired General is fall for the crime knee jerk of Teapublicanism?

Crime has been falling STEADILY for thirty years.

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@georgeob1,

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Nonsense

Bullshit. Throw TSA into the pits of hell, but there is no financial advantage to voting twice, but there's all sorts of fraud potential to the other agencies with a false ID. Voting booths dom't crumble killing thousands, voting booths don't run people over, voting booths don't launder money, voting booths don't commit billions of dollars of voting fraud, or rob retail outlets.

Ever hear of false equivalency?

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I guess I have to finally eat crow as regards all the negative things I have written over many years about Roger Ailes. He's obviously a really fine human being. http://www.politico.com/media/tipsheets/morning-media/2016/08/another-ailes-spectacularsecond-amendment-sagaerstwhile-ap-power-duo-reunites-001084#ixzz4GvYghExJ

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Voter suppression along with an attending rationale has a fine pedigree in conservative thinking (as does the rationale for rejecting democracy)

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"In 1957, Buckley wrote National Review’s most infamous editorial, entitled “Why the South Must Prevail.” Is the white community in the South, he asked, “entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically?” His answer was crystal clear: “The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because for the time being, it is the advanced race.” Buckley cited unfounded statistics demonstrating the superiority of white over black, and concluded that, “it is more important for any community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority.” He added definitively: “the claims of civilization supersede those of universal suffrage.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/07/william_f_buckley_and_national_reviews_vile_race_stance_everything_you_need_to_know_about_conservatives_and_civil_rights/

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Poll: 69% of Trump Supporters Think That When Clinton Wins, ‘It Will Be Because It Was Rigged’

http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-69-of-trump-supporters-think-that-when-clinton-wins-it-will-be-because-it-was-rigged/

Each and every Republican or conservative who fail to publicly reject Trump are contributing to the degradation of civility and sanity in American political life. This is not forgivable.

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@blatham,

Nah, you were right about Ailes, but you'll eat crow about Hillary & Bill Clinton.

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@blatham,

Without Clinton's private E-mail, we wouldn't get insights into how ideas get made into policy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cpc2HTLWAAAEXhA.jpg:small

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@georgeob1,

Obviously you didn't bother to read the article that you are responding to.
Voting is a RIGHT guaranteed under the Constitution. None of the other items you are mentioning have anything to do with Constitutional RIGHTS.

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