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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
revelette2
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 06:26 am
@farmerman,
Seems I read something about the cozying up to Russia during the 2011 Russia election and Russia's Putin accused Clinton of encouraging opposition protest?

Russia PM Vladimir Putin accuses US over poll protests

Not that there is any connection, but, anyway, I just remember reading a recent article of why Putin does not like Clinton.
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Lash
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 08:45 am
@revelette2,
Yes it is. Keep watching.
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Blickers
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 08:46 am
@farmerman,
Quote farmerman:
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So, like fracking, weve opened the ability to cleanly mine uranium next to NY city by merely adjusting the chemistry of the ground water with a little bicarb nd CO2.
The article doesnt understand that, by that method of mining, weve opened up huge, heretofore unrecognized reserves of U3O8. "ONE FIFTH" of our reserves is sorta correct by present UGM(underground mining) standards but, with IS leaching, weve expanded reserves at least 2 orders of magnitude.

Okay, just to get this straight. An order of magnitude is ten times greater. Two orders of magnitude, therefore, would be ten greater than that, or 100 times greater. So what you are saying is that with this new, cleaner technology, with which we can reach formerly inaccessible uranium reserves, we can get 100 times more uranium in the US alone than we could before.
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 11:03 am
@blatham,
I do have a chandelier in my home (2 actually). One is an early 19th century antique my wife picked up on a buying trip in France while her decorating business was booming. What does that have to do with anything going on here?

My views on government are generally aligned with those of Alexis de Toqueville in his work "Democracy in America, written in about 1836. He noted the following then unique characteristics;
=> A strong preference for local as opposed to central government wherever possible.
=> Limited and defined powers for the central government.
=> High involvement of the citizenry in social and economic matters through free local civic associations.
=> A litigious society where civil law involved a significant component of case law (and English Common Law - a similar thing) as opposed to sweeping national laws imposed from above (as in post Revolutionary France).
=. Emphasis on personal freedom and tolerance.
=> Freedom of religion, and, despite the sectarianism that then prevailed, a fairly common view on public morality.
=>Freedom of expression, association and the right of the citizenry to bear arms.

The world has turned over a few times since that was written, and many things do change. However those remain aspirational goals.

Where we differ is, I believe, on the perfectability of society and human behavior through government action. I believe government can (crudely) limit excesses of human behavior through criminal enforcement, but anything beyond that is up to individuals, even in the most authoritarian states (criminal mafia-like orgsanizations thrived in the Stalinist era, anidst all the purges and efforts to create a new "socialist man"). In my view, a progressive is a naive, closet authoritarian who believes he/she knows what is good for everyone else and wishes to be judged on his supposed good intentions, as opposed to the (usually dismal) results he actually achieves. Our current president is an excellent example.



georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 11:14 am
@farmerman,
farmerman, Don't know how we got on to redox methods for separating uranium, but I'm interested in your suggestion that great advances have been made. I suppose you're aware that the Feds last year reached a settlement with the remains of the Kerr MCGee Co (TRONOX) for the cleanup of the urasnium mines in New Mexico and Arizon - a few billion. There are lots of tailing piles out there that could likely be clesaned up through this method yielding useful uranium. ( The ubiquitous thorium, and other natural metals would of course remain). Right now the EPA effort appears to be thoroughly politicized - a perpetual payoff to the Navaho and other tribes.

I do believe we are likely to see yet another rebirth of nuclear power production ( even the GW fanatics are discovering the current economic & physical limits of wind and solar. The possible development of solar photosynthesis of free hydrogen could, of course change everything, but that still appears to be decades away.)
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 11:59 am
I see the thought police are out in force this morning ... and even faster than usual.
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glitterbag
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 01:01 pm
I always hear a 'tut tut' just before George intones.
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parados
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 07:42 pm
@georgeob1,
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I made no claim about anything beyond gdp growth,


Aren't you the little liar?

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At a mere 2% annual growth rate our economy and average wages would now be almost 22% higher than they were ten years ago,
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 09:38 pm
@parados,
Here's an interesting wage inflation calculator. You can also compare it to the past.
http://www.free-online-calculator-use.com/salary-inflation-calculator.html
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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 02:05 am
Hillary seems to be hiding a health issue. http://www.inquisitr.com/3393152/hillary-clintons-health-did-she-have-a-seizure-on-camera/
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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 02:09 am
Wow. She IS a robot. How have they hidden this for so long? She actually DOES short circuit.

The press should be burned at a stake for helping her hide this.

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/08/07/who-is-hillarys-handler-doctor-stroke-seizure/
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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 02:20 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/04/secret-service-agents-rush-to-stage-as-activists-heckle-clinton/#comments

Short circuit Hillary monster.

"Keep talking, ma'am."

Looks like the "brilliant" era has been eclipsed by the doddering managed era.

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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 02:37 am
https://www.google.com/amp/www.roguemoney.net/stories/2016/8/8/hillarycoverageiscrap-mainstream-media-shamed-over-silence-regarding-hillarys-seizures-and-signs-of-serious-mental-health-problems%3fformat=amp?client=safari

A mash-up of her hidden maladies---other than compulsive lying.

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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 02:48 am
Video evidence that Hillary is nuts. Put her in a nice retirement village with neurologists on call.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/expert-analysis-finds-hillary-clintons-recent-seizures-sign-brain-damage/
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Lash
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 05:51 am
Btw, when do you accuse President Obama for war crimes? 90 % of the people he's murdered by drone were innocent. Women and children....

But it's ok when a democrat is the killer? Hillary promises to have a more muscular foreign policy. I guess we'll go straight to nukes.

I wonder if Hillary's new personal technician who carries around her special toolbox will be on hand to tinker with her fading brain before she blows up the next batch of children in Pakistan.

Burning questions..
woiyo
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 06:56 am
@Setanta,
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Son't talk to me about behaving like an adult, and don't tell me what to do. If you support Trump, you support a demonstrable liar with zero qualifications for the office4.


You can not act as an adult, which I why you refuse to admit the obvious about the next Puppet in Chief. You are just like many of the other sheep in this country who complain about wanting change but refuse to actually vote for change.

Trump is just as qualified to be President as the Next Puppet in Chief, HRC. The difference is Trump will shake up a failed political system, run by outside power brokers and incumbents who refuse to do the peoples work.

As the saying goes, you get the Govt you deserve. Get ready to go out to pasture with the rest of the sheep.
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blatham
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 07:26 am
@georgeob1,
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Where we differ is, I believe, on the perfectability of society and human behavior through government action.

I'm curious how you would fall so easily to this straw man argument. I suspect that you just bump into it so often in right wing rhetoric that you've missed that it is one. Nobody believes that society or human behavior is perfectible.

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In my view, a progressive is a naive, closet authoritarian who believes he/she knows what is good for everyone else and wishes to be judged on his supposed good intentions, as opposed to the (usually dismal) results he actually achieves.

Is giving women and blacks the vote an authoritarian initiative? Or working to give gays the right to wed that others enjoy? Or seeking to ensure that women are paid equally to men for equal work?

As to "dismal results", as I've noted before, the most prosperous and free nations in the world (what we commonly term 'the free world' nations) all have progressive governmental systems (using your description here of what such governments do). And there is no national example of such prosperity and relative liberty to be found which follows your prescription of proper governance.

Unless you can name some?
farmerman
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 08:19 am
@Lash,
Obama will be tried in the same initiative at "war crimes" that George Bush would be tried.

I wonder how many innocents George was responsible for. Perhaps thats why hes shrunk from the public eye and become an "artist"
georgeob1
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 08:53 am
@blatham,
You amply demonstrate my point about the moral defects of most progressives in demanding that they (alone) be judged on the goodness of their intentions as opposed to the results they actually achieve. The vast expenditures of Lyndon Johnson's deceptively named "great society" programs achieved very little in eliminating either poverty or even economic inequality among African Americans. However they did a great deal to contribute to the destruction of family values among many of the recipients of its "benefits". A growing nimber of serious Black scholars, Jason Riley, today, but also Including Frederick Douglas over a century ago,prominently among them have attested to these facts and in the case of Douglas, the causes for them.

Removing unwarranted restrictions on voting enforced by a Democrat political establishment in the South , was a long overdue and good initiative, that got relatively more support from Republicans in the Congress than from Democrats at the time. Subsequent efforts to gerrymander House of Representative districts to ensure the election of Black representatives involved significant adverse side effects. contributing to the corruption of the evolving state governments; the growth of single issue interest groups; and a Black political establishment that demands special treatment from the government to this day - with all the adverse side effects attendant to that. Some, of course is warranted, but overall this has involved factors and side effects that have significantly retarded assimilation by African Americans and created dependencies that have arguably retarded the achievements and assimilation of many.

There is a sophomoric quality to your recitation of the noble aims of "Progressives":.. These are not the exclusive domain of these political types : libertarian and other rather conservative types hold them as well, and, despite your claims, embracing noble ends does not constitute an excuse for foolish or counterproductive public policy. Results count for more than mere good intentions.

The Social welfare Democracies of Europe are doing far less well in assimilating immigrants and evolving a common culture embracing them all than did the United States in the 19th and 20th century waves of then mostly European immigrants - a process which continues today with a far different population. The present political issues have more to do with the refusal of our Federal Government to enforce existing law than a rejection of the immigrants themselves, though even there the politicasl side effects of politically motivated arbitrary action (itself deceptively styled as "progressive" ) . Moreover in terms of the slow economic growth; rising, near unsustainable debt levels; the growing political divisions among themselves; and their declining demographics that, coupled with their inability to assimilate immigrants, threatens the continuation of their economies,, these countries, with all their progressive policies are doing rather poorly compared to theUnited States.

Human nature doesn't change much, and examples of perfection don't occur our history. History does record systems of governence that yielded truly awful results for their people - these were mostly authoritarian systems of various types ruled by Kings, emperors, dictators and self-appointed 'vanguards of the people' promising the creation of new forms of humanity (many millions were killed in that vain, but progressive effort.)

Progress, where it occurs is far more often the result of the work of individuals and the influences they create for the beliefs and actions of other individuals, and usually in a climate and environment which permitted freedom of thought and action. Instances of it flowing down from above are rare indeed.
glitterbag
 
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Mon 8 Aug, 2016 09:28 am
@georgeob1,
Whew!!!!!'
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