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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:33 am
@georgeob1,
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Bullshit

Well, I know you're not Donald Trump because there is no exclamation mark to punch home the sentiment.

I actually am not sure precisely what you are painting in Pasture Brown. But you ought to know that I'm not trying to anger you.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:40 am
Margaret Sullivan, who had been the NY Times ombudsman has now been at the Washington Post for some months as media critic. She's extraordinary. Today at the Post she has a column on how journalists ought to understand and engage their role re politics. It's very good. http://wapo.st/2aom1rx
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parados
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:40 am
@Builder,
These are YOUR words.

Quote:
Sooooo, knowing the age of a living tree gives credibility to a test on the breakdown of carbon molecules in fossils and rock structures dating sometimes millions of years?


You quite clearly refer to carbon dating as being used in rocks and fossils dating millions of years old. I didn't put those words in your mouth. They are clearly yours.
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:06 am
@parados,
Jesus. Did he really write that? I suspect your hopes of educating that dude are not likely to end satisfactorily.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:13 am
Quote:
"I recently heard a brilliant and articulate Clinton surrogate argue against a group of Trump supporters that Trump has presented no policy plans for increasing jobs, increasing economics growth, improving education, gaining international respect, etc. This is the basic Clinton campaign argument. Hillary has the experience, the policy know-how, she can get things done, it’s all on her website. Trump has none of this. What Hillary’s campaign says is true. And it is irrelevant.

Trump supporters and other radical Republican extremists could not care less, and for a good reason. Their job is to impose their view of strict father morality in all areas of life. If they have the Congress, and the Presidency and the Supreme Court, they could achieve this. They don’t need to name policies, because the Republicans already of hundreds of policies ready to go. They just need to be in complete power."
http://bit.ly/2aCLQ44

As Norquist said a while ago about any R candidate in the WH, "All we need is someone who can handle a pen"
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:29 am
Quote:
LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP 12m12 minutes ago
Given Trump's base, starting a fight with a heroic Muslim family to hide his complete ignorance and incoherence of foreign policy is smart.

Well, yeah.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:01 am
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Republican politicians face a choice. They can accept Hillary Clinton’s invitation to abandon Donald Trump and prevent a redefinition of their party as a haven for bigotry. Or they can prop Trump up, try to maximize his vote — and thereby tarnish themselves for a generation….Every Republican politician and commentator who continues to say that Trump is a superior or even morally equivalent choice to Hillary Clinton will now own their temporary leader’s brutality for the rest of their political careers.
http://wapo.st/2aCTVpq

Limbaugh, Coulter, Ingraham, Savage, Breitbart etc etc continue to defend Trump. Ryan and McConnell continue to speak of such insane outbursts from their candidate in the evasive "mistakes were made" style, refusing to acknowledge the agent making them.

I really don't know what is going to happen. Conservatism now is blowing apart and as pleasing as that is, the dangers are not small. We need two sane parties (at least two) but they need to be sane. One isn't.

farmerman
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:14 am
@blatham,
but its gret circus aint it?

Where'd you be this summer without something like this?? I love it when everybody's got spittle foaming from their mouths.

My only comeback is. PUHLEEZE remember the Supreme Court makeup. I think thats where the conservatives are gonna dig in dspite hving one of the Marx Brothers s their Exec Candidte
snood
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:26 am
@farmerman,
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dspite hving one of the Marx Brothers s their Exec Candidte


Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo..........and CHEETO!
Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:32 am
I think it's more a different 50s reference. Not so much the Marx Brothers as the Manchurian Candidate.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:33 am
@snood,
maybe BOZO (You are slandering a perfectly good snak food)
snood
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 08:37 am
@farmerman,
But , Bozo was a perfectly good clown. And cheeto captures his golden aura....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 10:07 am
@snood,
Gaucho was my favorite comedian. Nobody could match his quick wit.
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Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 10:20 am
More post convention bounce for Hillary. Sorry Donald & Fans, your brief "lead" only lasted for a moment after your convention ended but before the Democrats' convention started.

Did Clinton get a post-convention bump?
Last Updated Aug 1, 2016 7:19 AM EDT
By Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Fred Backus and Anthony Salvanto

Hillary Clinton has received a bump in support after the Democratic convention and has now pulled ahead of Donald Trump.

Forty-six percent of voters nationwide say they'll vote for Clinton in November, while 39 percent say they'll back Trump. The race was tied last week after the Republican convention. Clinton led by a similar margin in June.

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/08/01/adbfc374-5c05-48ae-923a-5277c3798554/resize/620x/760043a35014b31501986e8c04ee4ba0/screen-shot-2016-08-01-at-7-13-00-am.png

Clinton got a four-point bounce after her party's convention, compared to a two-point bump for Trump after his convention.

When compared to previous Democratic presidential nominees, Clinton's bounce is similar to those President Obama got in 2012 and 2008, but short of the 13-point bounce her husband, Bill Clinton, received in 1992. In 2000, support for Al Gore rose 10 points after the Democratic convention, but he went on to lose a close race that fall.
http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/08/01/6c442467-469b-4d11-b6c4-236ae3a785a6/resize/620x/010a7cc9bdaaecf9b65bfb0646c8451f/screen-shot-2016-08-01-at-7-16-39-am.png

When leaners are included - voters who are undecided when initially asked their vote preference but lean toward a candidate - Clinton leads Trump by six points.

Clinton also retains her lead when Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is added.

Voters who back a candidate remain firm in their support. Nine in 10 Clinton and Trump voters say their minds are made up about their candidate.

In the wake of the Democratic convention, positive views of Hillary Clinton have risen five points among registered voters, from 31 percent a week ago to 36 percent today. Unfavorable views of Hillary Clinton have dropped six points: from 56 percent to 50 percent.

Over half of voters continue to hold an unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump. Although Trump received a slight bounce in his favorable rating after the Republican Convention, now just 31 percent view him favorably - similar to what was recorded before his party's convention.

After the conventions, Clinton has expanded her lead with women, but she still trails Trump by a large margin among men. Clinton continues to get the support of more than eight in 10 Democrats and has seen an uptick in support among liberals. The race among independents is even; Trump led among this group last week.

Trump maintains his advantage among whites without a college degree, while Clinton has an edge among whites with a degree.

Earlier this month, two-thirds (67 percent) of those who backed Bernie Sanders during the primaries said they would vote for Clinton in November. After the Democratic convention, and a motion by Sanders himself to have Clinton selected as the nominee, her support among Sanders voters has risen to 73 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-did-hillary-clinton-get-a-post-convention-bump/

Now that all eyes are focused on two candidates, let's see how long Trump manages to keep up his hoopla as more and more things point to the fact that he has no personal traits, knowledge or experience to justify him getting anywhere near the White House.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 10:57 am
@farmerman,
A circus it is. I am completely mesmerized. It's amazing what real stressors can bring to light (I'm actually gaining affinity for George Will and Erik Erickson!) [edit: nah, remove Will from that sentence]

The supreme court is key, which the smarter Rs understand as well. Given they are unlikely to gain the WH, the Koch crowd and GOP allies will push big to hold the Senate. If they manage that, then they'll probably try the Garland obstruction trick again, perhaps for a long period of time.

It would be helpful if Clinton's victory is by large margins. But I'll wager that a Clinton win of any size will be met with a narrative that "citizens didn't vote FOR Hillary - they voted AGAINST Trump. Therefore she has no legitimate mandate in the country to pursue liberal/progressive goals or appointments. American remains a conservative nation"
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 11:01 am
@blatham,
I agree; most will vote against Trump. Most see Trump is unqualified. He doesn't even know current world politics, e.g. Crimea (Ukraine).
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 11:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
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I agree; most will vote against Trump. Most see Trump is unqualified.

Many will vote to keep Trump out of the WH, yes. He's unusually ugly as a candidate. But everyone on the right knew that Hillary was going to be a formidable candidate (and openly wrote about that) long before Trump announced he'd run and long before he'd captured the nomination.

The narrative I suggest is likely to be tossed out by the right is a propaganda line functioning to de-legitimize a Dem in the WH and liberal/progressive policies. They do this every time. It's standard. They know better and don't give a ****.
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 12:36 pm
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Jeb Bush's top adviser, Sally Bradshaw, has left the Republican Party to become an independent, and says if the presidential race in Florida is close, she'll vote for Hillary Clinton.
http://cnn.it/2aprMWb
Sheesh. It's like a tidal wave.
ossobucotemp
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 12:54 pm
@blatham,
I've been interested in politics from an early age as my parents differed, mother a Taft Republican, father strongly what we are now calling progressive.
I remember watching various hearings in the early fifties, when I was just starting my teens. In the years when they had some middle class money (which waned), they had lots of magazines around the house - Saturday Evening Post, Colliers, New Yorker, Women's Day, The Ligorian (I think that was ordered for me by my mother to read about mortal sin and sex. I was a scrupulous teen for a while, before I stopped that). I first read the New Yorker to figure out the dumbfounding cartoons, some good portion of which I didn't get back then. In a few more years, I read the articles.

I was mildly or moderately active later on, but not much of a marcher, more a stander (women in black/re iraq war). So - time goes by and my opinions are largely of the sort called progressive these days but I understand reason, at least some of the time, from people who disagree with whatever I'm presently thinking; equilibration may happen, probably after the conversation is past and I think about it some more.

My point? In all these decades of politics passing, I've never been so afraid of the other party winning. I don't know what I'll do if Trump wins. Despair comes to mind. No, I'm not the violent type and re despair, not violent to myself, but I might start wishing for a military coup. I'm not a natural military coup wisher either, but I can imagine it happening.

Oh, hey, I could write a coup novel..
Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Aug, 2016 01:12 pm
@blatham,
Yes and no about Jeb's assistant possibly voting for Hillary. Trump made a special effort to target Jeb when he first started, (understandable in the beginning because Jeb was considered the front runner very early), and kept it up.

I think a bigger hint about what might be in store happened about a month ago, when some conservative Republican made a few joint appearances with Trump right around the time when speculation was running about the Vice Presidential pick. That talk was squelched when the guy came out and said, hell no, I don't want to be Vice President.

In other words, the establishment Republicans, after failing to stop Trump, were going through the motions of getting on board-but it was clear they stayed near the lifeboats in case things work out as they feared.

Things are working out as they feared.
 

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