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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 12:57 pm
Ailes is gone. Dare I hope past that?
Quote:
Trump’s voters are Fox’s target demographic, after all. Fox has the oldest audience in cable news, with a median age of 68. Some of their shows skew even older; the median viewer of Bill O’Reilly’s show is 72. So the average Fox viewer is an old white guy somewhere in middle America, who sits down every night to shake his fist at the screen while O’Reilly and Hannity tell him that Barack Obama hates America, immigrants are destroying our way of life, Muslims are coming to kill us, and the white man can’t catch a break. And then you wonder why Trump rampaged through the primaries, after Republican voters have been marinating in this toxic stew of resentment and anger for so long?

Roger Ailes’ departure marks the end of an era, a period when conservative talk radio exploded, cable news came into its own, and the GOP was transformed from a governing party to one that can win in areas where conservatives dominate, whether in Congress or at the state and local level, but can’t assemble a national majority to take the White House. The Republican Party, like Fox News, has its ardent fans but can’t expand past its base. And even conservatives are beginning to realize it — at least those “establishment” ones the party’s voters despise so furiously.

So now there’s a chance to remake not only Fox but the entire conservative media. As lucrative as the current model has been as a business proposition, it’s showing strain (Rush Limbaugh has been dropped recently from some of his biggest stations and is having trouble finding major advertisers). I don’t know much about the Murdoch sons’ feelings about politics, but it’s unlikely that whoever they choose to be Ailes’ replacement will bring the same ideological fervor to his or her job. So it’s conceivable that Fox could begin to open up, to try to find some way to keep its viewers while helping them broaden their views of the world. If they could manage it, that would help their whole party, and might even make it possible for them to elect a president one day. The end of the Ailes era, along with a bracing defeat in the 2016 election, could be just what the party needs to make a new start.
http://wapo.st/29U9g3S
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:08 pm
A public letter has been released by the Trump Campaign re the plagiarism thing. I'm going to grant that it is likely honest and factual because it makes perfect sense (while at the same time showing that you really don't want to trust much that Paul Manafort says). Read it here, it is short. https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf

The possibly uncomfortable element for conservatives of a certain sort (so embroiled in their own internal hatreds of Obama/Michelle that they can't think their way out of a wet bag du papier) is that Melania respects the Obama family.
ehBeth
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:09 pm
@blatham,
http://www.gopusa.com/ailes-ouster-could-cause-seismic-shift/

Quote:
Ailes’ departure could potentially cause a snowball effect that would strip Fox of its big-name talent — Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susteren have contract clauses that let them leave if Ailes does, according to a report in the Financial Times, citing anonymous sources.


I'm finding it entertaining as the other place I hang out has a core group who see O'Reilly, Hannity and Van Susteren as wild-eyed lefties.
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:15 pm
@ehBeth,
You are kidding me! Dare I ask what these other friends think of Jewish people?

But in any case, this really is a big thing, particularly right now. The Gods must have stopped drinking for a while at least.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:18 pm
@glitterbag,
So we are all supposed to bow before your superior knowledge of these things because you claim to have been a (fringe) member of the federal government?

I listened to Comey's statement? Did you?

If you did than refute his charges with facts. No one else has.
Baldimo
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Glitterbag never did mention how those emails got from the secure network to the public network where Hillarys server was setup.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:37 pm
@Baldimo,
Nor will she.

She and other progressives are going to remain cemented to their hyper-technical defenses of Clinton ("It depends on what definition of "is" is") that they've learned to use from the Clinton Machine.

It's a farce.
revelette2
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:51 pm
@blatham,
What in the world is historic about an old white man running for president?
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:56 pm
@revelette2,
I'm sorry, rev, but I'm missing the meaning/intent there.
revelette2
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:58 pm
@blatham,
The Meredith person who apologized said she was sorry for distracting from Trump's historic campaign. I merely what was historic about an old white man running for President.
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 01:59 pm
Can we note the progression here
1) Hillary is surely so guilty she should not be allowed to run
2) "Lock her up! Lock her up!"
3) Hillary should be "shot for treason" (Virg Trump delegate)

You guys have gone insane but no longer have the capacity to recognize it.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:00 pm
@revelette2,
Oh, gotcha.

Well, something like that was definitely going to be included in anything arriving on Trump letterhead.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:23 pm
Steve Benen (he's brilliant, follow him) has a damned good summary on the plagiarism story http://on.msnbc.com/29UikFP even if it doesn't include the smart take by Greg Sargent that the most interesting element here is that the letter implicitly reveals that Melania respects Michelle and Barack's family and their traditional American values.
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DrewDad
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:23 pm
@blatham,
Good grief. They can't even get a simple apology right.

It was OK right up until the end, when you're left with the impression: "You're confused and hysterical. Blame me, if you must!"

Rolling Eyes

Apologize and move on; don't try to slip in digs at folks, because that kinda negates the apology.
glitterbag
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:25 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I don't know what the business is where you live, but where I live it's the Federal Government. We are awash in retired and working Secret Service people, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, and a pot load of retired military officers. This is not sexy where I live, but maybe it seems exotic to you. I also listened carefully to the hearings, my advantage is that it's my business, not my hobby nor my entertainment so perhaps I have an advantage that you will never have.
glitterbag
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Glitterbag never did mention how those emails got from the secure network to the public network where Hillarys server was setup.


Do you also need me to explain why it's necessary to chew your food before you swallow? Are you two completely helpless?
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:31 pm
@DrewDad,
Yeah. The inclusion of the term "hysteria" made me laugh. Perhaps someone in the Brit film industry will forward the vibrator prop from the movie of that name to Donald.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:31 pm
@glitterbag,
There couldn't be two more opposing concepts than "business" and the "federal government."

I assure you that there may be legions of former bureaucrats where you live is not, to me, sexy, but rather it is banal.

Comey couldn't have been more clear in his statement.

So either you buy what he alleged or you think he is incompetent or lying.

What is it?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:33 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Yeah. The inclusion of the term "hysteria" made me laugh. Perhaps someone in the Brit film industry will forward the vibrator prop from the movie of that name to Donald.


Ironic (at least) that it did, because your reaction to Trump has been classic hysteria.
DrewDad
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2016 02:34 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Yeah. The inclusion of the term "hysteria" made me laugh. Perhaps someone in the Brit film industry will forward the vibrator prop from the movie of that name to Donald.

"Hysteria" in the form of gales of laughter, maybe....

Personally, I think it is hysterical, not least because coverage of the plagiarism completely upstaged the convention itself.
 

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