When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

You're such an odd person.

I'm not stepping away from anything I said. I'm just pointing out that MANY people see the clintons as I do. They are crooks and thieves and have amassed billions selling off democracy and people's lives in this country. I have no respect for numbnuts who hand them the keys for a second fleecing of America.

Why don't you try to address issues instead of concocting your weird personal narratives?

How do people become millionaires and billionaires in 'public service'?

Why did Hillary Clinton refuse to follow FOIA /Obama transparency in government rules and use official devices for official communication?

Why won't she release her speeches to Wall Street??!

Why did she use white noise machines when reporters were trying to hear her speech to a Wall Street group?

Why does she continue to support fracking -when we know this is creating dirty, unsafe groundwater?

Look...
I am simply stating the obvious about you. It doesn't take any special perceptiveness and it doesn't require anyone being overly focused on Lash to see that your criticism of Hillary and the people who support her has often crossed lines of decency and common sense over the last several months. You mocked people about their age and their personal lives. You mocked me for being a recovering alcoholic. The fact that you found it necessary to do that in a political forum is what's "weird and personal", not that I point it out.

You will never admit it, because in addition to being someone who has no boundaries in how you defend extreme views, you are not honest. So be it.

Because you can't ever own doing those things (even when confronted with your own words) you will never get the benefit of a doubt that you might possibly, under other circumstances be a nice person with useful ideas.
You will never be regarded as anything more than a someone who can't defend her opinions without wallowing in the gutter.

The questions you ask about Hillary might be useful if you were motivated to join people like your idol Bernie in moving her and the party in a more progressive direction. But your motives as far as anyone can discern are to throw stones, smear **** and pat yourself on the back for being one of the few truly enlightened.

I care very deeply about what happens to this country now. Hillary will be the next president. If you think the best way for you to acknowledge that reality is to continue to bitch and whine about the past, then you are insane and useless in a political discussion.

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@Lash,

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I'm just pointing out that MANY people see the clintons as I do. They are crooks and thieves

And those people are wrong. Bill & Hillary have amassed money, but so have almost all the presidents we've had lately. They have amassed money from book sales, and speaking fees, because people want to read what they have to write and hear what they have to say. And like any authors/speakers, they have a right to make money off this.

What's the matter, Lash, are you terribly uncomfortable with anybody making money from speaking or writing, as opposed to them just getting paid by some Koch Brothers-owned company?

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[Clintons] have amassed billions

Liar. They have amassed several million, mostly from book sales and speaking fees. This is what stands out about you to quite a few people on this board-the fact that somebody of your dearth of general knowledge actually has a job teaching our young people. A billion is a thousand million. I don't mind if a person who is out of school for years and just brings in a normal paycheck is a little foggy on the difference between a million and billion, (for he/she will not encounter any reason to know it in their everyday life), but somebody who is teaching students absolutely should have that clear.

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Why lie, snood? Because when you limit yourself to the truth, it's apparent to everyone that you're a bit nuts?

I threw up your alcoholism years ago because dry drunk syndrome was the best explanation for your incessant attacking rage on an Internet site. You move from political to personal with no provocation and seem to thrive on personal attack.

You made an effort to accuse me of doing it recently because you need to demonize me so you can point to it so your peanut gallery will buy into your constant raging. I did not refer or allude to your drinking issues during this political season.

Remarks I made to Gbag were in response to what she said to me.

Don't you get tired of these middle school dramas?

Why don't you just respond with logical arguments to posts you disagree with? Are you capable of doing that, or can you not control it?

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@Blickers,

The Clintons' cash cow (the 'Foundation) is worth a couple of billion.

Hillary Clinton also got money from the Kochs.

Thanks a lot. I laughed at your righteous ignorance.

Might want to read up before your next post.

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@Lash,

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The Clintons' cash cow (the 'Foundation) is worth a couple of billion.

Care to provide some sort of source for that idiotic statement? Or should we assume the idiotic source is you?

Here are the financials for the Clinton Foundation -
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf

Interesting thing about those financials is that the Foundation doesn't have assets worth a billion let alone a couple of billion. It doesn't take in a billion a year.

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"Raised 2 billion," idiot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation

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@Lash,

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Don't you get tired of these middle school dramas?

...says the instigator of most middle school dramas.
You just called Parados an idiot 4 times in the space of 4 sentences.

Evidently you have no self awareness at all.
And just for the record, you're a liar. You didn't only bring up my alcoholism in your defense, and you didn't only do it once.
Your endless snark and bluster is tiresome. Enjoy ignore for awhile.

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I know there is a thread for this question, but to change the topic?

Clinton has several VP options: Fiery liberals, Hispanics and white guys

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With less than a week to go before presumed Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is expected to select a running mate, these are among her choices. She has focused intensely on the task in recent days, according to multiple interviews with Democrats familiar with her thinking. And she is looking for the best partner in the White House more than the best campaign asset, they said. So while her highly anticipated announcement could telegraph crucial electoral calculations, it may signal even more how she plans to run the presidency.

The above is why I think Hillary will make a good president, she is not flashy, but she always seems to be chugging along doing what she needs to do and making practical decisions.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

I know there is a thread for this question, but to change the topic?

Clinton has several VP options: Fiery liberals, Hispanics and white guys

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With less than a week to go before presumed Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is expected to select a running mate, these are among her choices. She has focused intensely on the task in recent days, according to multiple interviews with Democrats familiar with her thinking. And she is looking for the best partner in the White House more than the best campaign asset, they said. So while her highly anticipated announcement could telegraph crucial electoral calculations, it may signal even more how she plans to run the presidency.

The above is why I think Hillary will make a good president, she is not flashy, but she always seems to be chugging along doing what she needs to do and making practical decisions.

Yes, a refreshing change of topic. I saw yesterday where Liz Warren is still the people's choice (polls) for her VP pick.

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@snood,

I don't know about anyone else, but I have no clue at all who she will pick.

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@revelette2,

I hope she leaves Bernie and Elizabeth Warren in the Senate right where we need them most! And no, being President Pro Tem of the Senate wouldn't count! I wish John Kerry were on her list!

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@bobsal u1553115,

Your right, we do need both of them there the most. I am not sure about John Kerry, I bet he is exhausted. But yes, definitely, he would make a good VP and if something happened, not wishing it would, he would make a good President. I remember her saying once that consideration was important to her. It is just that he is old as well, we don't know about his health.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

"Raised 2 billion," idiot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation

Raised 2 billion...of which 89% was given to help "improving global health and wellness, increasing opportunity for women and girls, reducing childhood obesity and preventable diseases, creating economic opportunity and growth, and helping communities address the effects of climate change. "

A foundation cannot be "worth a couple billion" when they give away 89% of what they raise. The 11% overhead is extremely low.

The Clinton foundation is a non-profit charity which has earned an A+ rating form several charity monitoring sites.

Please tell me how evil the Clinton's are for this foundation that gives money and resources to those who need it most.

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot though.

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@maporsche,

Good answer, full of facts plus tells of the good the foundation does. The way the right wing makes it sound, you would think it was just something the Clinton did for profit for one reason or another.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Good answer, full of facts plus tells of the good the foundation does. The way the right wing makes it sound, you would think it was just something the Clinton did for profit for one reason or another.

Yeah, I really don't get the obsession with the foundation.

Bill and Hillary don't even collect a salary from the foundation and being a non-profit, their financials need to be expertly documented. Being the Clinton's this charity has to be one of the most heavily investigated in the world...but everything still is above water.

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@maporsche,

So if the president starts a foundation that raises money to help people in Third World countries, Lash claims they are stealing the money. With no proof. And with certification from groups who pay attention to these things that the money spent on adminstration is very very low-11%.

Lash lies again.

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@snood,

For those keeping score, snood is lying.

I'm sure it was easy to see that parados used the term first. I haven't found a good reason to allow other people to insult me with impunity.

Doesn't appear anyone else here has either.

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@maporsche,

They've been investigated and cited for abuses. They have people on their payoff lists receiving income. They use it for money laundering and a slush fund.

You know this.

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@Blickers,

Silly people. You know what's going on.

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@Lash,

Not only do I not "know" it. I completely, 100%, don't believe it.

Have any proof or anything to bring to the table?

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