When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Just because you call something fact-based, doesn't make it any less a smear. It's like someone saying someone else is a fat, dirty old pauper, then when called on it says they were 'just being honest'. It's not that you are lying about Hillary or Obama. It's that all you ever post is sought- out negative links and then you append your derogatory adjectives. I'd have to launch a careful search to find anything positive you post in the balance. And no one is expecting anyone to sing the praises of either. Just don't feign you're innocently making benign commentary when the tone and direction of all of it is self-evident.

I enjoy a rare luxury here. I'm not trying to please anyone. I feel so liberated by my ability to call it exactly as I see it. I take a few dings for it, but Jesus God, it's so freeing.

I have no desire to couch my comments in a fashion designed to please anyone.

I had hoped O would kick a hole in the status quo. I was happy as hell black kids could see a president who looked like them. He wasn't the worst thing that ever happened to the Oval, but he disappointed. He's dragged us further into neoliberalism. I'm pissed and sad, but all his wrongs can't hold a candle to the Clintons.

I'm heartbroken that people who I believed to be progressives bypassed the best chance we had to clean house in DC. Truly heartbroken.

Anyway. Traveling now.

Just calling balls and strikes as you see 'em, huh? Ok, but an umpire who calls nothing but strikes on one side is not going to be exactly sought after to be a fair official. You call all strikes, insult the players and then thumb your nose to the crowd saying you don't care what they think.

Whatever. Have a good trip.

Quote Lash:

Yeah, some wrongs. When Obama first took office, the country had LOST 6 Million Full Time jobs the previous year under Bush. Now the country has GAINED 5 Million Full Time jobs in the last 2 years, and median weekly earnings are up.

As for Clinton, in addition to making the economy hum to the tune of 16 Million Full Time jobs created in two terms and having the average worker making more than ever before, he narrowed the pay gap between black and white and also kept Europe from breaking out in a war in the Balkans-without losing a single American life. The idea that Clinton's two terms hurt the country is purely a figment of the Right Wing's imagination, but since you are here to take Right Wing ideas and recycle them as left wing criticisms of Hillary, they fit right in with you.

Seriously though, do you just have to repeat the same blinking stats? Do you realize how many times you've posted that? Try a little creativity!

Dude. I don't see how the former Republican party can rise from 2016 ashes. I've criticized the remnants of the Republican Party plenty.

I think where I'm concerned, you're operating under the influence of potent confirmation bias.

Thanks for travel mercies.

You're not the only person reading this thread. Many others read, but do not post. Lash is out, by force of repetition, to put over the idea that of course the Clintons were bad for black America, everybody knows that. That's why she put that little line into her parting shot to you. You've read this thread from the beginning, other people come in and see a little piece, then go.

Since Bill Clinton's performance in office is one of the main reasons I plan to vote for Hillary, I don't mind countering her little asides with actual facts, and let the reader decide. Being polite and not bothering the reader with facts when Lash does her unceasing anti-Clinton hack job is not on the agenda.

problemo - some newbies may see someone's take not getting an answer, so, I get the defense of that even though I don't need to see stuff again and again and again. Indeed, I'm mostly out of the politics threads, relative to my former participation, and I am freaking bored of repetition, which is some sort of amoebic dysentery.

I'm the one who dared a couple of times to say I thought lash was sincere since I took her as that when I met her, and thus she reported me to be the mods (if if remember, it was for being too personal, saying that on a2k; I was not chastised). Any long time reader knows I disagree with her on substance, but what a princess.

Meantime, people - for sometimes very good reason - want to counteract rambling bullshit, but it becomes a question to me if it is over and over again.

my latin fails, but what would the romans do?

I think feeding is similar to some other ratios (fill in your own analogy). It can become poor in terms of debate.

This is reasonable to me, the first time or the fifth, but not the hundredth feed.

That's because she sees Russia from her home. Her belief that Russians are screwed up may be common knowledge in her part of the Alaska.

God, I wish I had her eyesight!

I may be mistaken, but I don't think Rabel was referring to Sarah Palin.

I have no qualms about your being impolite.

Nah, what I'm operating under is the influence of fresh memories of your singular gratuitously nasty repartee. Your pivot to presentation of open minded and gee-gosh-golly "just stating an opinion" is impressive. Not convincing, but still impressive if just in terms of bold phoniness.

I have strong, widely-shared, harsh criticism of a singularly distrusted and disliked politician. The fact that you take that personally is an issue for you to come to terms with.

Your distrust of Hillary is "widely shared", but you can take singular credit for your months spent in a wallow of Hillary hate that you generously spread like manure onto anyone who wasn't a Bernie supporter, dude.

And thanks for the motherly concern, but you have plenty of your own issues that very obviously need attention, dude.

This is a video that seems to be directed directly to a Hillary bot such as snood but why should snood reply?

Widely shared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/cbsnyt-poll-shows-hillary-clinton-popularity-tumbling/

Last 3 polls:
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

CNN/ORC 7/13 - 7/16 872 RV
Clinton 49........Trump 42 .........Clinton +7

ABC News/Wash Post 7/11 - 7/14 816 RV
Clinton 47........Trump43...........Clinton +4

NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/9 - 7/13 1000 RV
Clinton 46........Trump 41..........Clinton +5

Again, the idea that she is untrustworthy is widely shared. There is a consensus that has her widely unpopular - that's widely shared. Where you distinguished yourself - what's not widely shared - was the relish and vigor and consistency with which you posted offensive hateful slurs directed at Hillary and her supporters here. You acted as if Hillary did something personal to you or she reminded you of a hated rival from high school. Do you think no one noticed you doing that all those months? There wasn't anyone else doing that but you Lash - certainly not as consistently or with such shameless abandon.

You're distancing yourself from all that now, and that's understandable. With your hero and revolution leader now supporting Hillary, you'd look glaringly foolish continuing the same slime.

So hello, reasonable and amiable version of Lash. Tell your other face hello, too.

snood wrote:

That's pretty rich, coming from you.

You talk about Lash getting personal, while you open up cans of worms like this? Seriously?

You really are on someone's payroll. You're here all the time, and you come up with personal attacks like this.

Ever heard of the adage; "where there's smoke, there's fire." ?

Both the RNC and the DNC candidates are so lacking in moral values and historical credibility, that the rest of the planet is doing a group headshake, and here's yourself defending one of them with everything you've got.

Who is paying you, snood?

You're such an odd person.

I'm not stepping away from anything I said. I'm just pointing out that MANY people see the clintons as I do. They are crooks and thieves and have amassed billions selling off democracy and people's lives in this country. I have no respect for numbnuts who hand them the keys for a second fleecing of America.

Why don't you try to address issues instead of concocting your weird personal narratives?

How do people become millionaires and billionaires in 'public service'?

Why did Hillary Clinton refuse to follow FOIA /Obama transparency in government rules and use official devices for official communication?

Why won't she release her speeches to Wall Street??!

Why did she use white noise machines when reporters were trying to hear her speech to a Wall Street group?

Why does she continue to support fracking -when we know this is creating dirty, unsafe groundwater?