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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 14 Jul, 2016 08:07 pm
@revelette2,
I'm glad that his candidacy has exposed the racial divide this country still suffers from. They've been hiding in the woodworks for so many decades, they seemed to have disappeared from our landscape, but no so. Bigotry and xenophobia is still alive and well in these United States of America.
Builder
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jul, 2016 08:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Bigotry and xenophobia is still alive and well in these United States of America.


And Australia. I believe that it's being cultivated by the media.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Jul, 2016 08:53 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
The odd thing is, hardly any conservatives here who will admit to voting or supporting him. Guess those aliens voted for him.

I voted for Kasich in the primary. Nothing against Trump. I just liked Kasich's long record of government success.

I'll happily vote for Trump in the general. He will prevent the Democrats from violating our civil rights.


EDIT: It is entirely possible that few a2k conservatives did vote for Trump. Not all types of conservatism are well-represented on a2k.

EDIT 2: Hawkeye is a Trump supporter, though not really a conservative.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 14 Jul, 2016 10:57 pm
Quote:
"Former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin isn't included in the official list of speakers for the Republican National Convention next week, and Donald Trump suggested in an interview that her absence is because she lives too far from the venue.

"She was asked," Trump told the Washington Examiner in a phone interview on Thursday. "It's a little bit difficult because of where she is. We love Sarah. Little bit difficult because of, you know, it's a long ways away."'


Can we please cease pretending that the modern GOP has not become the party of total ******* imbeciles.
Builder
 
  2  
Thu 14 Jul, 2016 11:04 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Can we please cease pretending that the modern GOP has not become the party of total ******* imbeciles.


Who was pretending?
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 08:47 am
Get ready for this one - GOP reps/agents will claim, if there is turmoil leading to violence in Cleveland, that it will be the result of leftist agitators.
Quote:
“It’s simply too big of a target for the malcontents and violent left to miss,” said an Iowa Republican. “George Soros’ money will pay for thousands of disaffected screaming thugs. Think Seattle [1999], Chicago 1968. Riots and looting. They are the tools of the liberal left.”
“I say this with no joy whatsoever,” a Republican in the host state of Ohio added, “but the far-left agitators in Cleveland will make the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago look like a fourth-grade slap fight.”
http://politi.co/29IgaNk

A contingent of Trump supporting skinheads and the promised group of bikers with guns aren't relevant here. The fault will be George Soros' and BLM protesters. Fox will run big with this narrative as will talk radio and most, if not all, right wing media entities. Consider this a prediction even
while we note the following sanity...

Quote:
While most of the Republicans who were worried about violence placed the blame on protesters whom they mostly dismissed, a number did say that Trump bears some responsibility for the threats of tumult in Cleveland. One Michigan Republican said Trump “invites violence.” A Pennsylvania Republican said he “invites chaos.”
“Tensions are high,” added an Ohio Republican. “Trump is explosive.”
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 09:10 am
I've had a google news alert on Bill Kristol for several years now. And most mornings, I attend to the Weekly Standard to see what he and his crowd are up to.

Kristol is, of course, a leading figure in the #NeverTrump movement. Pretty much his last hope was dashed yesterday when the GOP Rules Committee for this cycle disallowed the move to allow candidates to unbind.

Bill wear three hats - media propagandist, party strategist, and cheerleader. Wearing that last hat, I've seen him over the years ride a roller-coaster of enthusiasm/despair. Right now, he's descended into the dark valley of despair once again.
Quote:
For our part, we have watched the party descend a stairway. Now the carpet has ended. The flagstones are broken beneath our feet. A dark gulf
awaits.
http://tws.io/29Il2Cg

But check out this memory hole bit from earlier in the piece where he is labeling Trump as the GOP's worst candidate in history (on that singular point, we agree)
Quote:
But we do think it fair to say, tipping our hat to recent revisionist studies of Warren G. Harding, and making allowances for a few unfortunate stumbles by Richard M. Nixon, that none of the previous GOP nominees was an embarrassment or a disgrace.


Isn't that just special.
revelette2
 
  2  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 09:15 am
@blatham,
I confess I never paid that much attention to him, just thought of him as a conservative hawk, and that was that. However, he has poetic side to him.

Quote:
For our part, we have watched the party descend a stairway. Now the carpet has ended. The flagstones are broken beneath our feet. A dark gulf
awaits.


Surely, to put into Kristol's way of words, the phoenix of the republican party will rise again?
DrewDad
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 09:47 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
But we do think it fair to say, tipping our hat to recent revisionist studies of Warren G. Harding, and making allowances for a few unfortunate stumbles by Richard M. Nixon, that none of the previous GOP nominees was an embarrassment or a disgrace.


Isn't that just special.


I think he's talking about Nixon the candidate, not Nixon the President.
revelette2
 
  2  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 10:40 am
Since the last I looked we can no longer post in the pro Hillary thread, I already posted a similar article, but this one has more details about the different states and down balloting.

Clinton Leads Trump in Diverse Battleground States in New Polls
snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 10:45 am
@revelette2,
Yeah, it kinda sucks they killed that thread. Maybe when Hillary starts getting in some telling punches on Drumpf, I'll try to start another one. I'll just have to ignore the hater/trolls that show up with the express purpose to **** up the discussion.
revelette2
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 10:46 am
@snood,
It has been working for me in a lot of positive ways.
snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 10:48 am
@revelette2,
What? Ignoring?
ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 10:56 am
@revelette2,
Ignoring's awesome.
blatham
 
  0  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 12:01 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
I confess I never paid that much attention to him, just thought of him as a conservative hawk, and that was that. However, he has poetic side to him.

He's an important element in movement conservatism, as was his father, Irving who was one of the key figures in neoconservatism. A very good source on Bill is Sheena Easton's Gang of Five. But just for a quick taste, see Josh Marshall's piece on Kristol's important 1993 memo that set the strategy for defeating Hillarycare (the memo is linked) http://bit.ly/29IJQKh

Most people writing or speaking about Bill pass him off as the guy whose predictions are always wrong. That misses most everything of importance. As Bill is a propagandist/cheerleader, the accuracy of any predictions is quite beside the point as they are with any propagandist or cheerleader. He plays the role of an analyst on TV and in press but that's what propagandists/cheerleaders must do in order to appear as objective and honest agents.

As to his writing, he clearly aspires to a high intellectual mode with frequent allusions to or quotes from scholars and key conservative voices (Burke, Churchill, etc). The Churchill reference in the piece I linked is more than typical for him - he has Churchill Tourettes and can't go more than two weeks without some reference to Churchill/Chamberlain. But he's actually a pretty poor writer. When he got a column in the New York Times a few years back, they dropped him after the first year was up because, I presume, everyone else found his columns as I did - boring and cliched. He's read a lot so he can't help but be influenced by good writers, thus the odd good line such as the one you point to.
blatham
 
  0  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 12:02 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
I think he's talking about Nixon the candidate, not Nixon the President.

Good point. I think you have it right. Thanks.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 12:03 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Ignoring's awesome.

Possibly the best thing since divorce.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 12:41 pm
Speaking of propagandists, John Fund is another example, whether writing at WSJ or in right wing pubs like NRO. For example, he's a key figure who has been pushing the "voter fraud!" BS for at least a decade as bulwark/rationale for GOP moves to reduce Dem voters. Here's the title to his piece at NRO right now.

Quote:
"Mercurial Trump Picks Steady Hand Pence"

"Mercurial". Yeah, that's what Trump is. Like an artist, dreamy poet or gifted-though-cursed visionary.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 01:02 pm
@blatham,
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/cf/b3/0fcfb3669f96c90a2f7c02cb2ded142f.jpg

Quote:
He is the patron god of financial gain, commerce, eloquence (and thus poetry), messages/communication (including divination), travelers, boundaries, luck, trickery and thieves; he is also the guide of souls to the underworld.[1][2]


good match eh
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2016 01:05 pm
@ehBeth,
That is just bloody perfect, bethie. Great find!
 

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