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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
parados
 
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Tue 12 Jul, 2016 07:55 pm
@georgeob1,
No one has a right to a security clearance but Congress can't write legislation targeting only certain persons. Read my statement then go read the idiotic bill the GOP has introduced to try to strip security clearance from Hillary Clinton.

Now tell us, do the rules apply to Conservatives when it comes to following the Constitution.
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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Jul, 2016 08:05 pm
When the GOP boys, after the re-election of Obama, sat down to work out their "autopsy", the fundamental realization of their problem at was never explicated. Had it been, this would have been said:

My God In Heaven! The nutters banging on our door are our nutters!
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 12 Jul, 2016 08:11 pm
@blatham,
A little editing is in order:
"My God In Heaven! The nutters banging on our door is us!"
glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jul, 2016 11:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That sounds like a PoGo reference, did Walt Kelly create the cartoon? I was too lazy to look it up.
roger
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 01:05 am
@glitterbag,
Don't know, buy your sig line has Finn's moniker misspelled.
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blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 06:12 am
Two interesting pieces in the Times today, the first on the GOP's party platform lurching rightward (as per my post above) http://nyti.ms/29IBC2p and a Thomas Friedman column on why he thinks that a crushing defeat is necessary for the GOP to become a sane political entity again
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Party leaders can all still call themselves Republicans. They can even hold a convention with a lot of G.O.P. elephant balloons. But the truth is, the party’s over. Thoughtful Republicans have started to admit that. John Boehner gave up being speaker of the House because he knew that his caucus had become a madhouse, incapable of governing.

A Clinton sweep in November would force more Republicans to start rebuilding a center-right party ready to govern and compromise. And a Clinton sweep would also mean Hillary could govern from the place where her true political soul resides — the center-left, not the far left.
http://nyti.ms/29IC40F
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 06:16 am
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 09:40 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote Georgeob1:
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Progressives by definition are looking for "perfect" administrative/bureaucratic/governmental "solutions" to social & economic problems. In order to do their calculations they must assume they know the wants & needs of various groups of people. That need also fits their self conceptions - i.e. that they (alone) know what's good for everyone else.

Baloney. Conservatives are philosophically opposed to both Social Security and Medicare and have been trying to get rid of them in anything like their present form.
Nonsense. What exacrly does the deceptive, weasel worded expression , "in anything like their present form" really mean. Both Social Security and Medicare need reform to adapt them to the current demographics and life expectancys (i.e. facts) of the population and neither will be sustainable financially without crippling tax burdens ahead.
Blickers wrote:
All one has to do is take a look at the present crop of Republicans and their glee at finding ways to not pay off retired public service union members-frequently characterizing them as greedy welfare recipients for wanting the state/city to honor the agreement the union workers made and worked under since the 60 or 70s.
I take it here you're referring, at least in part, to the current issues with Detroit and other near bankrupt cities and in particular to the current issues in Chicago and Illinois - all with regard to underfunded and unsustainable union agreements worked out by the coalition of corrupt mostly Democrat politicians and their Union financers. The truth here is that these promises were not backed up by honest and prudent financial action by the cynical Democrat pols who took the Union payoffs, and there is no potential in the cities and States involved to pay them off without crippling the economies of those places. What exactly do you propose?

Ignoring these issues is what got Puerto Rico into its current financial default and which will do so very soon for the State of Illinois. Perhaps you will propose a Federal bailout for them. If so many others will soon follow. What then?
revelette2
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 09:40 am
The following is not intended to make a bit of difference for those who are determined to use the email gate as something beat Hillary in the head with. However, for anyone else, perhaps they would find it a good way to explain how Hillary got herself into the whole situation.

Don't throw stones at Hillary Clinton


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Have you ever been extremely careless in your emails?

Hillary Clinton was hammered last week by FBI Director James Comey for using a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. But despite numerous attempts by congressional Republicans to trip Comey into saying the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was criminally negligent, he maintained that there was no evidence Clinton broke the law — only that she was incredibly reckless.

It was a statement that should have elicited more sympathy than it did.

Like anyone who doesn't use encrypted email or messaging systems, Clinton has defended her decision to use the account as one of "convenience."

"I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two," she said in a 2015 press conference. "Looking back, it would have been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue."

It's a stance that's been mocked as haughty, where only those with privilege haven't time to waste. But it's actually very common; it's a tradeoff we make every day in our personal lives.

Think about it. Have you ever sent your address over email or in a text? What about your birthday or bank account number? Have you ever used public Wi-Fi or the same password for multiple online accounts?

It only takes a name and address — sometimes less — for a hacker to steal your identity. But even though we know that every transaction we make on the internet imperils our security — that every corporate, health insurance, or government agency breach stockpiles digital breadcrumbs that can be used to hack our accounts — most of us have poor digital habits.

For Clinton, the issue isn't whether she knew better — she almost certainly did. But being secretary of state required constant communication which, even in knowing the risks and protocol, put her at odds with the basic tenets of national and cybersecurity. It's a point a senior State Department diplomat made in 2013. "Things appear on your Blackberries that would never be on an unclassified system, but you're out traveling, you're trying to negotiate something, you want to communicate with people — it's the fastest way to do it," former under secretary for political affairs Wendy Sherman said in a speech.

That points to a problem larger than one woman. It's true that Hillary Clinton was extremely reckless, as Comey said when debunking all of her excuses for setting up her private email server. But the bigger issue, as he put it, is that she wasn't alone.

According to the State Department's OIG report released in May, former Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted to using a personal email account to conduct official business under the Bush administration. And similar to Clinton, Powell deleted most of those emails. Following Powell's tenure, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also received some classified
material on personal email.

Even Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who was particularly acerbic in his questions to Comey during last week's hearing, prefers to use his gmail over his house.gov email address. And while Congress isn't held to the same digital security measures as other branches of government, members are often privy to classified materials.


I know the arguments, kids use the "he did it" argument. However, if past secretary of state's used private email systems for their emails and it was allowed at the time she use her own server (not illegal)she really can be forgiven for not thinking too much about it.
DrewDad
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 09:53 am
@revelette2,
This is why I've never been in much of a twist about the email thing. I work in IT security all the time. It's always a tradeoff between getting the information to the people who need it, and keeping the information away from people who shouldn't have it.

Getting the information to the right people almost always wins out in that equation.


People talk about "classified information" as if all classified information is the same. My business classifies information all the time, and different classifications have different rules. One classification, in fact, is "for public distribution." Is it classified? Yes. Do I care who sees it? No.
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Lash
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 10:28 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I can't believe I could actually laugh at this situation. Thanks. Those were pretty good.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 10:59 am
@Lash,
We got to laugh, but more importantly we gotta vote and shake out the vote, too.

Congress is the big casino, not the POTUS. Leave the POTUS blank or write in a likely suspect, be sure to vote against the Teaparty/TeaPublican mope running for the House and Senate.

Without Congress President Clinton will be hamstrung.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 11:32 am
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Blickers
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 01:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
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Nonsense. What exacrly does the deceptive, weasel worded expression , "in anything like their present form" really mean. Both Social Security and Medicare need reform to adapt them to the current demographics and life expectancys....

The weasel has become the GOP mascot. By "anything like their present form" I mean that workers pay into the Social Security and Medicare funds while working, and when they retire they have a Social Security check, regardless of their other arrangements, that will usually at least approach a modest income. Sort of like what happens now.

And they will have their medical bills paid at something like 80%, sort of like what happens now.

That will require some change of financing, raising the limit on where Social Security is no longer deducted, etc. Other things are on the table. Also remaining to be seen is how the economy will be doing and the rate of economic growth, etc. With our ever advancing technology and the emergence of new industries that are likely to increase GDP quite a bit, (robots, for example), it's quite possible that things do not have to change too much-an increased GDP alone can take care of much of it.

One thing is for sure-turning Social Security and Medicare-two excellent programs which have raised the standard of living for Americans for decades-into "means-tested" welfare programs is NOT, in any shape, size or form, taking steps to preserve Social Security and Medicare. It will be the elimination of those programs. And that is what the conservatives want, since conservatives are philosophically opposed to both programs. They would admit it if they were honest.

oralloy
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 01:51 pm
@Blickers,
Who would have thought that the end of Social Security and Medicare would come about because every single attempt to save them was undermined by liberal demagogy.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 01:55 pm
@Blickers,
In short you have no response at all. You merely repeated your original weasel-worded statement.

We already have a form of means tested benefits for these programs. If one continues to work after age 65 and earns more than $250K/year his/her Medicare part B deduction from his/her Social Security benefit nearly doubles, and unlike FICA that tax is levied on total income.

The simple facts are that life expectancy is increasing and birth rates are declining, and the accumulated changes since these programs were enacted are very large indeed. When SS was enacted in the late 1930s the average beneficiary could expect to collect benefits for just a few years: now its decades. People are extending their working lives out of both opportunity and necessity.
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 04:47 pm
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“Social Security right now is a collectivist system, it’s a welfare transfer system", Ryan said.

Ryan continued, describing attempts by Republicans to privatize, laughing at using the word “personalizing” instead.

Ryan says “if we actually accomplish this goal of personalizing Social Security, think of what we will accomplish.” He adds “every worker, every laborer in America will not only be a laborer but a capitalist. They will be an owner of society, they will be an owner and a participant of our free enterprise system, of our capitalist system.”
http://bzfd.it/29Fs6wJ

"Collectivist" is an interesting term. You'll find it frequently used by the John Birch crowd, including the Koch brothers' daddy.
blatham
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 04:50 pm
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The Ryan plan would have necessarily meant benefit cuts for 70 percent of Social Security beneficiaries – while delivering a windfall to Wall Street.

In fairness, it’s important to note that Ryan isn’t still pushing this measure – Medicare privatization remains a key element of Ryan’s plan, but Social Security privatization does not.
http://on.msnbc.com/29FsgEc
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 05:20 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

"Collectivist" is an interesting term. You'll find it frequently used by the John Birch crowd, including the Koch brothers' daddy.


Lenin and Mao used it a lot as well. Do you realize how much you sound like the polemicists you claim to despise?

Anyway, I'm off tomorrow to a long weekend in a wonderful Redwood Grove by the Russian river, for some collectivist good times.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 13 Jul, 2016 06:03 pm
@georgeob1,
Happy hunting; ergo, good news.
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