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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
snood
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2015 07:41 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Yes, that was a big whopping, steaming screw up of an answer there. It calls to mind everything I didn't like about the pandering, triangulating, definition of 'is' President Clinton. She has that trait that Bill had, of trying to finesse answers on hard topics but the answers coming out too cutsie by half. Hate that. She's been taking some stands on progressive issues that I like, but if she's for clean energy she can't be trying to finagle around a question about where she stands on Keystone.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2015 07:44 pm
@snood,
Thats my thought. We've never been on the good side of a deferred opinion.
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Lash
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2015 07:45 pm
@snood,
Yes. I'm completely unable to be objective.

My heart is on my sleeve and I'm giving blood for this campaign.

I had the loveliest time meeting my tribe tonight. Mostly Democrats and mostly 50+, but a few Indies, a couple of Republicans and two millennial couples. We are a team now. I'm thrilled.

I have a few pics if I can figure out how to share them.
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roger
 
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Wed 29 Jul, 2015 07:50 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Sorry, I could only like it once.
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Lash
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 05:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
“If it’s undecided when I become president, I will answer your question”
And there it is...

That's Hillary's response to whether or not she supports Keystone.

Really?

......Really?

I've never seen a quote which so clearly demonstrates everything wrong with Hillary's campaign and her politics-- actually this shows everything that's wrong with politics in America. It would've been better if she just came out and said she's in favor of it. But this non-answer answer is part of a much larger pattern and problem that seems to be all to common for Hillary. Entitlement? Check. Obfuscation? Check.

How can anyone support this type of campaigning? It's INFURIATING to me. No you don't get to wait until you're President to answer real questions... you answer them NOW, while you're running. This quote will haunt her... the ads pretty much write themselves.


Yes.
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Lash
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 05:19 am
New poll.
http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/
Hillary losing more ground.
snood
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 09:34 am
@Lash,
Lash, do you like Camille Paglia?
She's been analyzing the candidates on Salon.com. I think her commentary on Hillary and Trump and Sanders are very insightful.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/ted_cruz_gives_me_the_willies_camille_paglia_analyzes_the_gop_field_and_takes_on_hillary_clinton/
revelette2
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 11:25 am
The following is in reply to Frank on the Trump thread but probably of interest to anyone (maybe).

The only thing I can see going wrong with the Hillary campaign is the email saga which seems to be heating up. If it turns out she improperly handled classified information on her personal server, it could end up if nothing else, seriously compromising her campaign as it makes her look negligent of security concerns for the US which is not what we want in a President. I hope we have a plan b for democrats other than Sanders in case the Hillary campaign implodes. (please, Biden)

Data in Clinton’s ‘secret’ emails came from 5 intelligence agencies

snood
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:15 pm
@revelette2,
I was just thinking, "Joe if we ever needed you, it's now."
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:32 pm
@snood,
My theory? They're already getting Biden ready in the wing if Hillary should crash and burn before the convention. I think its 50/50 for Biden/Sanders. Sanders could be a progressive Dick Cheney style of vice-President.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:47 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

My theory? They're already getting Biden ready in the wing if Hillary should crash and burn before the convention. I think its 50/50 for Biden/Sanders. Sanders could be a progressive Dick Cheney style of vice-President.


Bobsal...Sanders on the ticket would be the kiss of death.

If you thought you heard the word "Benghazi" often...just wait until you get Sanders on the ticket...and you will hear "socialism" in damn near every paragraph.

The country is NOT READY for him. Not even close.

If I were a Republican, I would be praying for Sanders.


bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Poll match ups shown on Rachel Madow showed him winning the top four Republicans. He's going up steadily.
snood
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 01:02 pm
Two things - About Sanders, I used to say with great conviction the country wasn't ready for a Black president.
About Biden, I would support Joe in a heartbeat, but I'm afraid he might be still in serious mourning for his beloved son. I think that took something out of him and not sure he'd be willing to give what it would take to mount a campaign.
ehBeth
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 01:11 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

I used to say with great conviction the country wasn't ready for a Black president.


given what I see on my alternate FB page, I think you might have been correct. Racism is expressed more clearly and loudly than it was 8 or 10 years ago. Is that a side-effect of the election of a black president? I don't know but I do wonder what happened out there.

While Sanders would be my preferred candidate if he was running in Canada, I'll admit I worry about what would happen in the US if he was elected.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 01:34 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Poll match ups shown on Rachel Madow showed him winning the top four Republicans. He's going up steadily.


If I were a Republican (gad, I hate even writing those words)...but if I were a Republican...

...I'd be praying for him to be on the ticket.

We're not going to agree, Bobsal...

...and maybe I am wrong. I've certainly been wrong plenty of times before.

revelette2
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 02:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
He probably is in deep mourning, terrible to have to bury your children.

Biden and Sanders would be great.
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Lash
 
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Thu 30 Jul, 2015 04:51 pm
@snood,
I'd heard of her in some hazy way, but no specifics emerged about her when i read her name.

It seems like she's almost exactly like me...except she thinks O'Malley's experience is better than Bernie's. I feel exactly the same way she does about Hillary! Thanks for turning me on to her!
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snood
 
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Fri 31 Jul, 2015 08:07 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

snood wrote:

I used to say with great conviction the country wasn't ready for a Black president.


given what I see on my alternate FB page, I think you might have been correct. Racism is expressed more clearly and loudly than it was 8 or 10 years ago. Is that a side-effect of the election of a black president? I don't know but I do wonder what happened out there.

While Sanders would be my preferred candidate if he was running in Canada, I'll admit I worry about what would happen in the US if he was elected.


Yeah. My statement to Bobsal about how I once upon a time felt and expressed my doubt that the country would elect a black president was strictly to address the doubts about Sanders' Judaism/socialism. As to the foaming-at-the-mouth bat **** brand of unhinged racism that has slithered to the surface since Obama has been in office - well, that's a whole 'nother subject. My opinion? Yes - the unleashing of it, and the particular virulence of this open racism comes as a direct reaction to the spectre of a black man as POTUS and a black family in the White House. to me it's way more sad than infuriating.
Foofie
 
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Fri 31 Jul, 2015 09:56 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

... to me it's way more sad than infuriating.


You don't have to believe me, but once one leaves the South, the demographics are not Black and White. It is Italian, Irish, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic, Black, White Protestant, and many more. So, if some ethnic was elected, during his her time in office, there would be criticisms based on ethnic jokes at best, in my opinion. My point is in context of the belief that Bernie is not seen as White, but as Jewish. And, many Jews do not want a Jewish President, since anything he does, that is perceived as incorrect, all Jews would be blamed, in my opinion.

I do think that there is a belief that the Presidency should become where every ethnic group gets their "turn" to have someone in the Whitehouse. The Presidency is not a birthday party game.

I would tend to believe that any racism that we see under Obama's term in office is not suddenly rising, but has been under the surface, just like anti-Semitism is under the surface, and would not "suddenly" appear, if Bernie was President and did something not appreciated by all.

Perhaps, living in a more homogeneous South, people do not realize how Northerners really are, but we are not one monolithic demographic, since 1850, or thereabouts.

My point is, the racism you identify should be no more infuriating than any bigotry directed to any other group, nor any more sad than what other groups have to endure. What is sad, in my opinion, is that Black people collectively seem to believe that they can only feel good about the country if they are thought of as just like anyone else. No such luck. And, as a secular Jew, I would like to be able to give Blacks the level of self-esteem that Jews seem to have, that makes then inured to three-thousand years of Gentile contempt.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 31 Jul, 2015 10:39 am
@snood,
Thanks for the link.
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