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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
blatham
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 03:16 am
@roger,
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I haven't done a survey, but I much the entire GOP is endorsing Trump.

The holdouts are very few. The neoconservatives have been among the loudest (see Weekly Standard and NRO, or Kagan who's said he'll vote for Clinton this cycle), Erik Erickson, Michael Gerson, and Romney to name some key figures. Republicans running for office or who hope to in the future have almost uniformly turned on a dime. Murdoch likewise. Ryan is playing coy but he'll fold too because these people really do not operate on any principle other than gaining access to, or holding onto, power.
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Setanta
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 03:20 am
Did Mrs. Clinton throw in the towel yet?

No?

'K, i'll check back later.
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blatham
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 03:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
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I see Trump as a racial bigot, and not qualified to be in government service.

Absolutely nothing new in this. Racial bigotry is an acute feature of US culture and politics, particularly on the right. Movement conservatism, having a strong John Birch influence early on and now resurgent, is the worst of it.

But Trump is something else. I have no idea if he's a bigot or not because the words that come out of his mouth are not determined by some coherent set of beliefs or ideas, they are merely convenient in the moment. He's the epitome of a demagogue and rabble rouser, all as a means to gain dominance over others and to satisfy some twisted, sociopathic internal needs.

That sort of personality is obviously a very real threat to democracy and to civic sanity. And Republicans broadly understand this and voiced such sentiments as I've just made regularly and commonly before it became apparent he was going to succeed in gaining the necessary number of delegates. Now they are kissing his ass in public.
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Who can we vote for that will bring sanity into our national and international politics?

No single figure can achieve this. It is delusional to imagine it. That is the delusion that Trump and Sanders supporters suffer from.

The US is in serious trouble. And not because of any exterior force or element.
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roger
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 03:50 am
@Lilkanyon,
Of course, I meant "much doubt". Glad you got the gist, anyway.
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blatham
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 04:00 am
@Lilkanyon,
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He may go the way of Goldwater, and I hope it is so.

He may. And I hope it too. But these are different times with very different dynamics in place. Since the 70s, the right has built up an entire infrastructure including media operations which have, as David Frum very properly described the situation, corralled a huge sector of the US population into a state of epistemic closure. Nothing like this existed in the Goldwater period.
Lash
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 07:07 am
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-california-primary.html?_r=0&referer=http://m.huffpost.com/us

Hillary loses again.
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Blickers
 
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Sat 28 May, 2016 10:36 am
@blatham,
Quote blatham:
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Since the 70s, the right has built up an entire infrastructure including media operations which have, as David Frum very properly described the situation, corralled a huge sector of the US population into a state of epistemic closure.

Great post, but do you think you can go easy on words like "epistemic"? Very Happy . Very Happy

Perhaps the right's media prowess ain't what it's cracked up to be. Take a listen to Secular Talk's Kyle Kulinski on the Rush Limbaugh situation, supposedly the king of right wing broadcasting:

blatham
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 06:00 am
@Blickers,
Yes, I'm aware of Limbaugh's loss of advertisers, audience and outlets. Unfortunately, the damage is already done. The portion of his audience that has been lost has not moved over to Salon or Talking Points Memo, but to other right wing media that has arisen either as copycat radio shows following a financially successful model or as a consequence of new communication technologies.

Many of these are multi-million dollar operations (Limbaugh makes over 30 million a year just from his contract with CC and other earnings, like from pumping gold to suckers, gets his take around 50-70 million each year). This level of incentive means these people and operations aren't going to disappear.

It is not a small problem. And it is an epistemological problem (sorry).
farmerman
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 06:10 am
@blatham,
Limbaugh went the way of Dennis Miller when he tried his hand at sports casting. Rush and Miller were so much a couple of cartoons that they made even John Madden look like a deep thinker
So, I think the Limbaugh's, Becks, C-4's etc are becoming "points of reference" of what our post 1970's culture had become for many .
glitterbag
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 07:13 am
@farmerman,
I just noticed that Rush has tiny baby fingers much like Donald Trump. How odd.
Blickers
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 09:05 am
@glitterbag,
Don't know about Trump, but Rush's hands really are small.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Rush%20Limbaughs%20small%20hands%201_zpsod4fp9r1.jpg

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Rush%20Limbaughs%20small%20hands%202_zps815mn7g5.jpg

You don't suppose it's true what they say about hand size and....you know.... Shocked . Embarrassed . Question
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snood
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 09:11 am
When asked about party unity, Bernie just repeated his line that it's Clinton;s responsibility to bring his supporters in. Try to imagine what kind of bitch, crook, etc. Hillary would have been called if she had said this about Obama when asked about party unity. I think this is Bernie's first and last chance at the limelight and proximity to real power, and he ain't about to let go easily.

Maybe he's motivated by deep love of his country, huh?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-supporters_us_574ae6a3e4b03ede441510c0?6b0iw542j9e75jyvi
glitterbag
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 10:29 am
@snood,
Aren't all politicians motivated by deep love of country.?
ganeemead
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 10:51 am
All of these business arrangements like with Dr. Faustus or Hillary Clinton have balloon payment clauses and when the time comes up, it's over, presidential campaign or no presidential campaign.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 10:54 am
@glitterbag,
I think it's also deep love of recognition and power.
glitterbag
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 11:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
Oh yeah, I forgot Embarrassed
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revelette2
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 11:14 am
@snood,
He is motivated by love, or a desire at least, to run the country his way. Extremism on the republican side is dangerous, but so is extremism on the left liberal side.

The following is from earlier in the election cycle but it talks of his plans he formed back in 1985 he had to run for the highest office in his state.

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Sanders was in the midst of a revolution of his own. Four years earlier, in 1981, he won a shocking victory by only 10 votes to become mayor of Vermont’s largest city, Burlington. Sanders was elected on a socialist platform and led a mayoral administration that he boasted was “more radical” than any other in the country.

And he had a vision. Sanders believed his work in Burlington could spread socialism throughout America. In April 1985, the Los Angeles Times published a lengthy interview with Sanders in which he outlined his plan to spark “radical change.”

“I think from one end of this country to the other, people are ripe for political revolution. Fifty percent of the people do not bother voting in the presidential and statewide elections,” Sanders said. “The vast majority of those not voting are low-income people who have given up on America. The whole quality of life in America is based on greed. I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”

Sanders went on to suggest his mayoral administration had demonstrated “the people’s contempt for conventional old-fashioned Democratic and Republican politics.

"The radical change in America that must come has to begin on a local level, and it is happening now in Burlington. Then it will spread to state and national levels,” Sanders said, adding, “Of all the 50 states, I believe Vermont more than any other has a good chance of electing America’s first socialist governor. Now that I have proven that I am a good mayor, perhaps the time will be ripe … for me to run for the highest office in the state.”

Sanders ran for Congress rather than governor after leaving Burlington’s City Hall in 1989. But today, his dream of bringing his values to higher office and a national audience is closer to fruition than at any time his life.


source

I agree with having polices which help workers and those in need to get a leg up or just to sustain a manageable existence if they're disabled. I don't agree with fundamentally changing our country. It is just too broad and could be dangerous.
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Lash
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 04:10 pm
HuffPo ran a story about Hillary's upcoming indictment re racketeering charges using the Clinton Foundation as a money laundering scheme...& it was pulled. Other outlets are still running it.

parados
 
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Sun 29 May, 2016 06:17 pm
@Lash,
What a ridiculous story. It includes lots of accusations and none of them have turned out to be true.

When Judicial Watch tried to file a lawsuit against the Clinton Foundation under RICO the court threw it out for lack of evidence.
revelette2
 
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Mon 30 May, 2016 06:29 am
In Reporting On Hillary Clinton, Media Get Facts Wrong On Colin Powell's Private Email Use
Report Found Powell Also Used Private Email On An “Exclusive Basis”

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Journalists are suggesting that a recent State Department report proves that Hillary Clinton was the first secretary of state to exclusively use a private email account for government work, contradicting Clinton’s statements. In fact, the report states that former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account “on an exclusive basis for day-to-day operations.”

Office Of Inspector General Report: Powell “Did Not Employ A Department Email Account.” According to a report from the U.S. Department of State Office of Inspector General (OIG) on email records management and cybersecurity requirements: “During Secretary Powell’s tenure, the Department introduced for the first time unclassified desktop email and access to the Internet on a system known as OpenNet, which remains in use to this day. Secretary Powell did not employ a Department email account, even after OpenNet’s introduction.” [U.S. Department of State Office of Inspector General report, “Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements,” May 2016]

OIG Report: Clinton And Powell Both “Used Non-Department Systems On An Exclusive Basis.” According to the OIG report: “OIG identified many examples of staff using personal email accounts to conduct official business; however, OIG could only identify three cases where officials used non-Departmental systems on an exclusive basis for day-to-day operations. These include former Secretaries Powell and Clinton, as well as Jonathan Scott Gration, a former Ambassador to Kenya.” [U.S. Department of State Office of Inspector General report, “Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements,” May 2016]

Clinton Campaign: Clinton “Thought It Was Allowed, As Commercial [Account] Was For Powell.” On Twitter, Clinton press secretary Brian Fallon stated: “Our take on State IG report being misreported in places so want to explain. When we liken Clinton’s email use to other secretaries… We mean that just as she used nongov't account for work, so did others at State. And that's bc rules did not bar use of nongovt email … Having said that, it's true her nongovt account was on her family's server, as opposed to commercial email account. That was distinct … But she still thought it was allowed, as commercial acct was for Powell. Now, though, State says it would've urged against that setup … To which we say, we agree it was a mistake. If she had chance to do it again, she would have used a state.gov account.” [Twitter.com, 5/26/16]

Wash. Post’s Chris Cillizza: “This Is Really Important, Clinton Is The First Secretary Of State To Ever Use Private Email Exclusively To Conduct Her Business. Period.” Supposedly showing “indisputable facts” that Clinton “got wrong” in her response to the OIG report, Washington Post reporter Chris Cillizza disputed Clinton’s statement that her use of “personal email” was “not at all unprecedented.” He commented in a May 26 blog post (emphasis original):

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Er ... yes, previous secretaries of state have used personal email addresses while in office — Colin Powell most notably and extensively. But, and this is really important, Clinton is the first secretary of state to ever use a private email address exclusively to conduct her business. Period. That was and is unprecedented.
[The Washington Post, The Fix, 5/26/16]

MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Repeatedly Claimed Powell Used Government Email. Purporting to “fix the record” during an interview with Clinton surrogate Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell claimed that the OIG report showed Powell “used both personal and official email.” [MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell Reports, 5/26/16]

Cillizza: “Very Important Difference” Between Clinton And Past Secretaries Is Clinton Was Only One To “Exclusively Use A Private Email Address.” Cillizza claimed that the OIG report showed that “Clinton is the first and, to date, only secretary of state to exclusively use a private email address and server to conduct her business as the nation’s top diplomat” and claimed that Powell “maintained both a private and a government-issued email address.” From a May 25 blog post (emphasis original):

There are two very important differences among Clinton, Secretary of State John F. Kerry, and former secretaries Powell and Condoleezza Rice when it comes to email practices.

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The first is that Clinton is the first and, to date, only secretary of state to exclusively use a private email address and server to conduct her business as the nation’s top diplomat. All of the other names above maintained both a private and a government-issued email address. That alone doesn’t make her guilty. But it does make her unique.
[The Washington Post, The Fix, 5/25/16





 

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