When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@oralloy,

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I don't think Russia fools anyone.

Like I said, there are ethnic Russians in a great deal of Eastern Europe outside Russia. Russia will use these people, if they can, to start internal problems and flare-ups so that they can get involved. It's more complicated than just simple invasion.

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He [Putin] wants to finish with Ukraine and then Moldova, but once he is done there the Baltics are going to be next on his agenda.

He took the Crimea back, and he's going to get away with it militarily, (of course he also screwed his economy up royally as a result). He's not making any headway lately in the rest of Ukraine. There is no doubt that he would take back or put puppets into power in all the old Warsaw Pact nations if he could. But as far as Russian tanks rolling over the border and outright taking over, we don't know that is what he plans for the immediate future. Like I said, we just finished one missile base in Romania and are commencing on a new one in Poland.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Quote oralloy:

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I don't think Russia fools anyone.

Gungasnake springs to mind.

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@ossobuco,

er, I meant by

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Like I said, there are ethnic Russians in a great deal of Eastern Europe outside Russia. Russia will use these people, if they can, to start internal problems and flare-ups so that they can get involved. It's more complicated than just simple invasion.

You should see the number of ethnic Russians living in Latvia/Estonia/Lithuania.

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He took the Crimea back, and he's going to get away with it militarily, (of course he also screwed his economy up royally as a result). He's not making any headway lately in the rest of Ukraine.

Yes, but I'm not sure if Ukraine will keep him bogged down forever.

If it does, that will be great. But if Russia starts making major advances again, we should give the Ukrainians enough weapons to bring the war back to a stalemate.

Blickers wrote:

There is no doubt that he would take back or put puppets into power in all the old Warsaw Pact nations if he could. But as far as Russian tanks rolling over the border and outright taking over, we don't know that is what he plans for the immediate future.

I think we can count on the Baltics being his next target. Putin's behavior towards them recently has been quite ominous.

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*BREAKING NBC* Sanders Wins in West Virginia Democratic Primary
Source: NBC

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has won the West Virginia Democratic primary, NBC News projects, a victory that will add yet more fuel to his argument that he should remain in the race despite badly trailing front runner Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count. The win comes one week after Sanders prevailed in Indiana's Democratic primary and two weeks after Clinton dominated a series of contests in the northeastern United States.

Democrats also voted on Tuesday in a presidential "beauty contest" in Nebraska, although the delegates from that state were all previously assigned during a March 5 caucus. In that contest, Sanders won 15 pledged delegates, compared to 10 for Clinton. <snip>

Clinton's faltering is a marked difference from her performance in the state eight years ago, when she beat then-candidate Barack Obama by more than 40 percent.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-wins-west-virginia-democratic-primary-n571356

most interesting thing from link for me...

http://s32.postimg.org/pk8e5umg5/Screen_Snapz006.jpg

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@revelette2,

Bernie and Trump have got all the good media coverage. Hell, I cant even find the popular vote most of the time without spending an hour looking for it. When the presidential race starts Trump is going to get looked at much more closely than he is now. As to Bernie the media is doing what it always does, selling papers by making it seem that their is an actual race just to sell papers. Bernie is a liar who if nominated will have his ass handed to him in a handbasket. If you want a Trump presidency just back Bernie baby. His policies will cost the middle class big bucks in taxes. Do any of you think he can get 17 trillion dollars from the 1%. Nope, he is going to get it where it always comes from. Middle class fools like you and me. Where do I get my info? 65 years of political experance which is why he only gets the young fools to vote for him. Old fools like me have heard Bernies bullshyt many times before.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Bernie polls better in the general election polls right now because the Right has barely mentioned him. If Bernie got the nomination, we'd be hearing a lot more about the Socialist Workers Party, Trotskyites, and a whole bunch more.

The Republicans want Bernie so they can smear and slam him. They're terrified of Hillary because they've tried to smear and slam the Clintons, and it never works. They're out of ammunition to smear them with-they've used it all up in the last 25 years, and got nothing to show for it. They're pissed.

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@ehBeth,

I assume the lady is black? But I can trump you with two white ladies in the town in which I live.

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@RABEL222,

you'd be wrong with your assumption

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has won the West Virginia Democratic primary, NBC News projects, a victory that will add yet more fuel to his argument that he should remain in the race despite badly trailing front runner Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count.

Yeah, because Sanders only has to win 57 more states like he won in West Virginia to catch Hillary.

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Is Mrs. Clinton still running for the nomination?

She is? 'K, i'll check in later.

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@ehBeth,

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Somehow* I connected to an interesting (on a sort of sociological level) group of people in Indiana, Kentucky and North Carolina on FB. Their perspective on life/politics is absolutely fascinating, if occasionally frightening.

Nice little window into a different universe. I have something the same via my Texas connections and experiences.

Re Facebook, its importance as an emerging information sharing medium is validated in the current rightwing freakout over the Gizmodo "bias" story. It's a classic case of the right using bullying strategies to control political discourse through making media hesitant to pass on negative stories about the right (and facilitating the isolation of their base into a closed epistemology - "all media not conservative media cannot be trusted"). I'm next to certain that it is complete bullshit and is a planned operation. They've been doing this since Nixon, as you know.

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@blatham,

Gizmodo has at least two articles on this, the original and this follow-up. This is the one with the best information http://bit.ly/1QYotfL

So, what I'd like to know is who contacted the Gizmodo reporter Michael Nunez? How did he get wind of this?

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@blatham,

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Former curators cited the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris as two instances in which non-trending stories were forced into the module.

Oh, horrors! Somebody injected two of the most important stories that people would end up discussing and analyzing for months into Facebook's Breaking News module.

Scandal!!!

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@Blickers,

As usual, there's no there there. But this is the modern right's strategy of using anything available as justification of loud and repeated claims that conservatives are being victimized (aren't they always?) by liberal elites. Note the gizmodo piece played on those curators coming from "ivy league" schools. That's absolutely typical.

But it has been a very successful strategy and is, I think, one of the key causal factors in modern media's constant and nearly ubiquitous (and cowardly) propensity to fall to false equivalencies. And as I said earlier, it's been very successful in facilitating an alternate and truly biased right wing media universe in which millions are now captured.

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@blatham,

Bernie won the Nebraska caucus several months ago. They had a primary vote there today. I saw an article about the vote. Hillary is leading by 59% to Bernies 41%. The popular vote is 3 or 4 times the caucus. Try to find the presidential popular vote. All you can find is the caucus vote. We wouldent want the media to show Bernie cant pull the popular vote when everyone gits to vote rather than the kids who think Bernie is going to send them to collage for free and get them free health care.

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2,383 needed for nomination · 1,052 still available

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Pledged delegates Clinton 1,716 Sanders 1,433

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Super delegates Clinton 524 Sanders 40

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/sanders-clinton-and-the-not-so-simple-case-of-west-virginia

<snipped most of the article because you want to read it for yourself Smile

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That may be too simple, also. Sanders’s broader message has to do with what he calls the corruption of the political system. In his speech in Salem, he spoke about Wall Street donations to super pacs undermining democracy. (He didn’t connect them to Clinton, though he has often enough.) It’s something that Trump also talks about.

The ideological implications of the belief that just about everything in this country is “rigged” have yet to be worked out. This election has, at least, revealed that the feeling is widespread.

In West Virginia, according to a CNN exit poll, voters who listed honesty as a top quality they looked for in a candidate went for Sanders over Clinton by a margin of sixty-nine per cent to twenty-one. There have been similar findings in other states. Clinton’s supporters may feel that such concerns, unfair to start with, are laughable when one compares her to a brazen liar like Trump. But Trump can lie about that, too.

Sanders is still in this fight, and he has sound reasons to keeping going. Getting ready for the next one, though, is on Clinton.

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@RABEL222,

Ed Kilgore has a good piece up right now...

"The Brave Politics of Clinton’s Medicare Buy-In Proposal" http://nym.ag/23IyPrr

This guy is very bright and knowledgeable. I recommend following him (I have been for five years or so).

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Ed Kilgore has a good piece up right now...
"The Brave Politics of Clinton’s Medicare Buy-In Proposal" http://nym.ag/23IyPrr

I doubt the insurance industry has sizable objections to the Public Option. But that is because unlike the majority of the Left, the insurance industry actually knows what the Public Option is.

The industry will very much object to a single payer system however, presuming that the Left ever accidentally tries to implement such a system. I say "accidentally" because most of them don't even know what single payer means, which makes their chances of implementing such a system a bit random.

blatham wrote:

This guy is very bright and knowledgeable. I recommend following him (I have been for five years or so).

Meh. Your shtick about pointing at smart people and saying "I think what they think" is a bit silly.

I prefer to do my own thinking.

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Moving forward steadfast on our deep and abiding principles

Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah) a month ago :
"Donald Trump does not represent Republican ideals; he is our Mussolini. Donald Trump's approach is, 'I am just going to do it.'"
Rep. Chris Stwart (R-Utah) today:
"While Mr. Trump wasn't my first choice, we must move forward and unite to defeat Hillary Clinton."
http://bit.ly/1X2ltpM

Also, "Never again believe a single word that is created in my ridiculous brain"

As I suggested a few days ago, the present fracturing in the party and movement leaves conservatives with little to agree upon. But what remains is the notion that liberals/progressives are unknowing agents of Satan and that Hillary is probably Satan. When you are going to choose a fascist or proto-fascist over Clinton, you've gone completely insane.

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