When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@blatham,

blatham wrote:

"How can it be that America in 2016, when the country is finally on the verge of nominating the first woman for president on one of the two major party tickets, has produced an unreconstructed misogynist pig out of some 1950s nightmare to run against her? "

Because those misogynist strains of our society were never gone. The election of President Obama did not drive more racist behavior, it just brought the behavior that has always been there to the fore. Likewise, the Trump brand of misogyny has always been there, it the bar, the boardroom, etc. but now that women are moving into more prominent roles we start to see it roll out in public.

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@engineer,

Yup.

Remember how much foaming-at-the-mouth hysteria there was around Obama's first campaign? It really brought out the racists.

Same thing with Clinton's campaign this time around.

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@izzythepush,

Ah, the history, and with a cat in the tale to boot..

This is the Dick Whittington we in Los Angeles knew for years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Dick_Whittington

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@blatham,

This one spends a lot of her time cooking.. not stumping Trump.

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http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/make-america-white-again.jpg

Is this a Trump rally in Alabama or public vote on secession?

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@engineer,

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Because those misogynist strains of our society were never gone. The election of President Obama did not drive more racist behavior, it just brought the behavior that has always been there to the fore.

Of course, that's exactly right. And digby is well aware of these cultural facts. I think she was pointing to the extremity of Trump's misogyny, at how he is like a comic book version of the thing.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

The election of President Obama did not drive more racist behavior, it just brought the behavior that has always been there to the fore.

I disagree. I think President Obama's election not only upset/distressed/angered a portion of the population, it somehow made it acceptable in some populations to act on their racist thoughts.

Right-wing media pushing fear of the other added un-needed fuel to that fire.

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@ossobuco,

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This one spends a lot of her time cooking.. not stumping Trump.

News from the other side. Thanks for helping me keep up, Osso.

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@ossobuco,

Over here it's what actors who haven't been on the telly for a bit get up to at Christmas.

http://www.kaiowen.com/images/panto2.jpg

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@ehBeth,

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I disagree. I think President Obama's election not only upset/distressed/angered a portion of the population, it somehow made it acceptable in some populations to act on their racist thoughts.

Right-wing media pushing fear of the other added un-needed fuel to that fire.

I think that is undeniably true. The illustration of Obama with a bone through his nose that was broadly evident on right wing sites and on facebook and myspace pages eight years ago, Joe Wilson at the SOTU address, and the countless instances of racist terms in comment pages across the internet, etc. An african american in the White House acted like a red flag to these folks.

And assuming a female in the White House after the new year, we ought to expect something similar.

And yes, right wing media did instigate and foster such sentiments/feelings so as to make them more acute and explicit and it will do so again.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

oralloy wrote:
we're about to see a huge Republican victory in 2016.

Wanna bet?

I don't bet money, but I can do a friendly wager.

Don't forget the impact of the 2013 gun control debacle. That has absolutely sunk the Democrats' chances of retaining the White House.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Because those misogynist strains of our society were never gone. The election of President Obama did not drive more racist behavior, it just brought the behavior that has always been there to the fore.

I don't think anything was brought to the fore. The Democrats just increased the number of baseless racism charges they levied against people who disagree with them.

engineer wrote:

Likewise, the Trump brand of misogyny has always been there, it the bar, the boardroom, etc. but now that women are moving into more prominent roles we start to see it roll out in public.

More likely it is just the Democrats throwing around even more baseless accusations.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

I disagree. I think President Obama's election not only upset/distressed/angered a portion of the population, it somehow made it acceptable in some populations to act on their racist thoughts.

The only people who acted out were crazies who would have acted out regardless of the circumstances.

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Earlier, I said I was frightened by what is happening now on the right. Rick Perlstein is thinking along similar lines (go to 12:37) http://bit.ly/1UO76Fk

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@bobsal u1553115,

good plan

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@bobsal u1553115,

I used to watch The Young Turks. Now, not so much, and because of videos like this. In this whole video of Republicans thinking of donating to Hillary, not one mention was made of Trump twice saying he wants to downgrade NATO-one of the greatest forces for peace in the world the last 70 years-and let our allies face invading troops from countries like Russia or China alone. As the downgrading of NATO is Putin's greatest international priority, Trump just announced support for making Russia's foreign policy his own.

Don't you think that alone would be enough to consider Republican donors going over to Hillary? The prospect of President Trump doing nothing while his buddy Vladimir, (whom he knows from many business deals) works his way across Eastern Europe and puts them back in the Russian orbit by force of arms?

Gee, I guess Cenk and the crew just missed it.

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@Blickers,

In fairness to Mr. Trump, he has also said that it would be OK for all of these allies to have nuclear weapons of their own.

So maybe in exchange for dissolving NATO, he will also violate the NPT and sell American thermonuclear warheads to Poland, Romania, and Georgia (and Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines)?

Anyway, I confess that I don't like the whole idea much. I would greatly prefer a strong NATO. But... I also greatly prefer a president who will not declare war against the Second Amendment.

Now I know that we (the gun rights movement) are strong. We kicked Mr. Obama's behind in the 2013 gun control debacle and the aftermath of that was a ruined presidency. And I know that we will be able to similarly crush any future gun control effort. But I'd actually really like to have a president who wasn't out to violate my civil rights to begin with.

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@oralloy,

Quote oralloy:

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Now I know that we (the gun rights movement) are strong. We kicked Mr. Obama's behind in the 2013 gun control debacle and the aftermath of that was a ruined presidency.

"Ruined" is in the eye of the beholder. When Obama first took office, the country had LOST 6 Million Full Time jobs the previous year. Now the country has GAINED 2.3 Million Full Time jobs in the past 12 months alone, and 5 Million the past two years. That's is doing quite well on the economy.

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Quote Oralloly:

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In fairness to Mr. Trump, he has also said that it would be OK for all of these allies to have nuclear weapons of their own.

So maybe in exchange for dissolving NATO, he will also violate the NPT and sell American thermonuclear warheads to Poland, Romania, and Georgia (and Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines)?

Yes, he did. And that might help a little. But Russia not only has a great amount of nuclear warheads, it also has a large amount of conventional forces. Russia's takeover will likely take the form of arming one faction in the country with arms, then having a civil war, then hekping Russia's supported faction win the conventionally fought civil war. Especially if Russia sneaks in some regular Russian troops, like they did in Ukraine. The invaded country doesn't want to start a nuclear war over what looks like just a civil war, and Russia gets it's Eastern European puppet in place.

That's why NATO is so important-to prevent this process from occurring.

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