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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
maporsche
 
  3  
Wed 13 Apr, 2016 06:36 pm
@Lash,
I don't think it's funny, I think it's wonderful.

The Clintons do wonderful things through their foundation. They've served the public for their entire loves they are engaging people. They deserve to succeed.

Their wealth is not out of line. They pay their taxes by hey donate millions. They help many millions more.

Literally no one has been more under the microscope, personally and financially, nothing has ever been found n

I wish there were more Clinons in this world.
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Lash
 
  1  
Wed 13 Apr, 2016 06:39 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/13/hillary-clinton-gets-tepid-response-at-black-activist-conference/

Cool reception for Hillary by the firewall.
revelette2
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:03 pm

Quote:
Instead, Mrs. Clinton repeated lines she often uses about the need to overhaul the criminal justice system. “We have to rebuild the bonds of trust between law enforcement and the community they serve,” she said. “And stop the tragedy of black men and women being killed by police or dying in custody.”

“On a scale of one to 10, I give it a 7.5,” Campbell Watson, 77, a retired bus operator in the Bronx, said of Mrs. Clinton’s speech. “It does seem like she is going to hold onto the things that Barack Obama has already established.”

Gloria Boyce-Charles, 58, a designer in Queens, said she lived near Kennedy Airport and appreciated Mrs. Clinton talking about environmental damage in black neighborhoods. “I was ecstatic when she talked about that,” she said. “Yes, we live near the airport, but we’re human beings and our lives matter.”

Jason Murray, 54, a financial adviser in New Jersey, said Mrs. Clinton didn’t receive roaring applause because she stuck to granular policy details, and not because the crowd wasn’t supportive. “It wasn’t a bunch of fluff that gets applause,” he said.

But Akua Harris, 71, a retired city employee, was not moved by Mrs. Clinton’s remarks and doubted she would feel any differently about Mr. Sanders’s speech on Thursday. “Talk is cheap,” she said. “These politicians come in and tell you what you want to hear. They all promise things to black people and don’t deliver.”

Asked whether Mr. Obama was a typical politician, Ms. Harris said he was not. “That’s different,” she said. “He wanted to get things done, and the Congress blocked him.”
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maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:15 pm
@Lash,
The gathering was somber before Hillary even got to speak, it says so right in your article.

Try harder.

Quote:
The gathering was somber this year, as Mr. Sharpton and other keynote speakers bemoaned that in January a white president will be inaugurated to replace the nation's first black president. "It's going to be a real hard day for us," said Angela Rye, chief executive of the consulting firm Impact Strategies, who spoke before Mrs. Clinton.
Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:25 pm
@maporsche,
Meanwhile, Bernie has thousands of screaming dedicated supporters,...so there's that.

They were yawning at Hillary.
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:26 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Meanwhile, Bernie has thousands of screaming dedicated supporters,...so there's that.

They were yawning at Hillary.


Meanwhile, Hillary has MILLIONS more votes, 225 more pledged delegates, and 450 more superdelegates. I'll take the yawns and the votes/delegates everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:41 pm
@maporsche,
This takes me to the concept that we will be facing at least four years of corporation yadda yadda,

I'm on the low end of the money spectrum. Things don't look good to me re people like me.
I keep my phone and internet link and that ain't easy.

Sometimes the arrogance, the assumptions, here get to me.
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:42 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Sometimes the arrogance, the assumptions, here get to me.


Something I said?

I should add that I'm quitting my corporate job to become a nurse and I started off as a welfare recipient, so it's not like I'm some money hungry guy.
Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:43 pm
Bernie drew 30,000.

Smile

I'm so damn proud of him.
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:49 pm
@maporsche,
I understand having money, did before my teens, but I live on $750. a month and still manage to post. I try to pay taxes and insurance on top of it.

I don't care what you do. I get you are smart about money.

But, you and many are also dolts about the reality of it.

edit - I may have misread you.
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:51 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

But, you and many are also dolts about the reality of it.


This is interesting (and a tad unfair/ignorant). I'd really like to understand how you could have come to that conclusion. But maybe it's not interesting to the rest of the board.
ossobuco
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 07:56 pm
@maporsche,
I edited.
ossobuco
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 08:04 pm
@ossobuco,
On the other hand, not re you, maporsche, I pretty much get you whether or not we agree, why would someone thumb me, a person of little money, zero me for mentioning my tiny income?

I'd like to see how the rest of a2k posters would deal with that in their lives.

I might like to start a thread on it.

Manana.

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ehBeth
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 08:54 pm
Not so wild about the headline on this, and some of the rhetoric sounds whack but a few of Tom Hayden's points really make sense to me.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/04/13/civil-rights-legend-switches-endorsement-and-primary-vote-from-sanders-to-clinton/

I see this piece as a big concern if Mr. Sanders becomes the Democratic candidate

Quote:
And it’s not just Bernie’s policies that Hayden is concerned with. There’s also the question of his vulnerability as a candidate. Hayden, quite correctly, points out that Republicans have almost completely ignored Bernie:

My second worry about Bernie’s candidacy is that he has not really faced an all-out Republican-financed media assault in this entire campaign. If he’s the nominee, that will be merciless.

I’ve had this discussion a number of times with Bernie supporters who think that Republican attacks will roll right off. But Republicans managed to convince a significant portion of the country that the center-left Obama is actually a far-left Socialist bordering on Communist and that Obamacare was a “government takeover.” The right-wing media machine is a propaganda tool that would make the totalitarian government in George Orwell’s 1984 weep in pure jealously. By the end of the first month, Bernie would be labeled a Marxist. By the end of the second month, he would be the reincarnation of Stalin. And that would be among the nicer things they would say about him.

Just to be crystal clear, a certain number of Bernie supporters insist that Obama is a center-right Republican. Yet it is undeniable that he’s been successfully labeled a far-left radical by the right. How would Bernie be immune to this? There’s no clear answer.

Even worse, the automatic response from Bernie supporters is “They’ll do the same thing to Hillary!” as if that would change the character assassination to come. But even that answer is unhelpful because they’ve BEEN doing this to Hillary for longer than many of Bernie’s supporters have been alive. The Clintons are the most scrutinized politicians to ever live, bar none. There are literally no new scandals to dig (or make) up. The Corporate Media has been trying to claim her scalp since the 90s and the right has spent millions upon millions on opposition research with only rumor and innuendo to show for it.

What are they going to do? Hold some more Benghazi hearings? Good luck with that.



and , well, this

Quote:
But the main reason Hayden says he’s supporting Hillary is that the black community is overwhelmingly supporting her:

I intend to vote for Hillary Clinton in the California primary for one fundamental reason. It has to do with race. My life since 1960 has been committed to the causes of African Americans, the Chicano movement, the labor movement, and freedom struggles in Vietnam, Cuba and Latin America.



What would cause me to turn my back on all those people who have shaped who I am? That would be a transgression on my personal code. I have been on too many freedom rides, too many marches, too many jail cells, and far too many gravesites to breach that trust.


Some of Bernie’s (overwhelmingly white) supporters have taken the not-so-subtly racist attitude that the black community doesn’t know any better. But Hayden correctly points out that Bernie himself made the choice not to appeal to them:

Bernie’s campaign has had all the money in the world to invest in inner city organizing, starting 18 months ago. He chose to invest resources instead in white-majority regions at the expense of the Deep South and urban North.

Blaming black people for not supporting Bernie when Bernie deliberately chose to focus his energy elsewhere is a deeply problematic attitude and a shirking of responsibility.
ehBeth
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 08:58 pm
@ehBeth,
link to the full Hayden opinion piece

https://www.thenation.com/article/i-used-to-support-bernie-but-then-i-changed-my-mind/

I think the whole thing is worth reading, but I'll quote the ending just because it's what ít's all about

Quote:
So here we are, at the end of one generation on the left and the rise of another. Both camps in the party will need each other in November—more than either side needs to emerge triumphant in the primary. We still need the organizing of a united front of equals to prevail against the Republicans. It will take a thorough process of conflict resolution to get there, not a unilateral power wielding by the usual operatives. It’s up to all of us.
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roger
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 09:19 pm
@ehBeth,
The Chicano Movement? I didn't think anyone used that phrase except for Rudolfo Anaya.
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Kolyo
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 10:01 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

People go see Jerry Seinfeld or Oprah and pay money for it because they want to, if they didn't they would pay and go. People pay money to listen to Hillary Clinton because they want to, or else they wouldn't pay and they wouldn't go.


But she's a Democrat, so she's supposed to make do with a diet of carrots and stone soup, apparently.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 12:29 am
@Kolyo,
I see these huge fees as a legit concern. Who pays the piper choses the tune.
Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:40 am
@Kolyo,
Yeah. Poor Hillary. You should send her some money.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:55 am
@Olivier5,
I can't decide if I find myself in a world where people actually like their politicians corrupt, or they're just trying for some crazy reason to pretend they don't believe it, but they (and the Democrats) have lost every shred of credibility with decent people.
 

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