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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
snood
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 03:00 pm
@Olivier5,
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You're so obsessed with this alledged sanctification of Bernie Sanders that you see it everywhere, even in Porshe's posts...
who has been on your side of the Bernie-Hillary battle for WEEKS!


I see these exchanges with you as an abyssmal waste of time and energy because I really don't think you're terribly bright.
But you insist on continuing to characterize me as "obsessed" or otherwise irrational in some way, so I will respond one last time just for the clarity of anyone else following along.
The idolization of Sanders is not something I dreamed up. It is happening. The mania of the rabid Bernibots is well documented. If you don't happen to agree that he's being idolized and idealized in unhealthy and unproductive ways, fine. We disagree about it. I can live with that. Go pester someone else.

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If by your wild hyperbole you mean that Bernie's supporters tend to ideakize him, you may be right.


Okay, so now you're talking out of both sides of your face - saying I'm "obsessed" with the "alledged" (sic) sanctification of Sanders out of one side,
but saying I "may be right" out of the other side. You're acting like a sicko who just wants to argue. All the more reason to avoid further exchanges with you.

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Just like we idealized Obama.


Speak for yourself. "We" who? I invite anyone to look at the thread entitled 'Obama 2008' and examine the nature of the arguments made for Obama's candidacy.
I and others like Sozobe were huge proponents for Obama. But you won't find any verbiage like "the last good man" or "our only hope" there. "We" tried to make the argument that Obama was the best person for the job. I didn't then, and do not now have any illusions that Obama was going to do some superhuman transformation of DC. Your attempt to make our efforts then equivalent to the efforts of the most rabid Bernibots now is BOGUS.

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This is a natural, very human phenomenon that does not detract from the actual, "objective" worth of the candidate.
8 years later, Obama still seems to me as the right choice, even if he wasn't as great as I'd hoped...


You're trying to have it both ways. You're trying to say that the idolization of Bernie is just my dreamed-up obsession, but at the same time it's a "natural, human" thing to do. You're not only an annoying pest - you're also an illogical and inconsistent one.

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Some politicians, like some artists, can develop an enthusiastic fan base. This is a fact of life.
You may disagree with the fan's "fanatism" but it's not a bad thing to be a fan of someone. Don't sweet it.


You must have me confused with someone who asked for your advice. If I want to opine on the over-the-top idolization of Bernie, I'll do so and if you don't like it you can pucker up and suck it. I'm not "sweet"ing anything. I'm certainly not going to "sweet" you and your gibberish. You can have the last word on this as I suspect you will insist on it. After that if you continue with your unsolicited advice about how I talk about Bernie, I'll just slap you on ignore. Have a pleasant day.

cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 05:12 pm
@snood,
Just for the record, I believe Obama has done an excellent job as our President.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 05:16 pm
Here are the good and the bad on Obama's presidency (2015).
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/obamas-numbers-october-2015-update/
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snood
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 05:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Just for the record, I believe Obama has done an excellent job as our President.

I am very proud of this president and the things he was able to accomplish.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:11 am
@snood,
By all means, keep on obsessing about Bernie's sainthood or lack thereof. It's actually quite interesting from a clinical standpoint to see how envy and spite can so completly overtake a human being...
snood
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:38 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

By all means, keep on obsessing about Bernie's sainthood or lack thereof. It's actually quite interesting from a clinical standpoint to see how envy and spite can so completly overtake a human being...


Clinical is right - That's an impressive load of batshit crazy projection you've got there. Now you're accusing me not just of being obsessed, but envious and spiteful regarding Bernie Sanders. I think you are nuts, and somehow you have fixated your weird on me. Do you want to talk about your childhood? There are great pharmaceutical breakthroughs you might want to look into.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:51 am
@snood,
Sorry. I put him on ignore, now he seems to have turned his need for attention on you.
Lash
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 03:48 am
Another division shows important differences in the Sanders and Clinton campaigns. Bernie considers it easy to commit to awarding government contracts to employee-friendly businesses; Clinton drags her feet, likely because she knows she'll owe kickback favors.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/570d4098e4b01422324a5ac1
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 05:51 am
@Lash,
Wow, what a YUGE difference in position.

/sarcasm
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revelette2
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 08:32 am
We all talk a lot of about domestic issues, I suspect it is because it is Bernie Sanders one theme, however, we don't cover too much about security matters, ISIS and other issues which are relevant to our foreign issues in this years election and current times.

One part where I suspect I diverge from liberals is surveillance as I believe it is necessary in today's world. (not really mass surveillance as it has shown to be ineffective) I suspect I differ on our participation in going after terrorist abroad such as the current efforts with ISIS. It is these differences which lead me to think Bernie Sanders would be very ineffective in this area. The only thing he seems to have say about any of it is to keep going on about the Iraq vote which is over and nothing can be done about it now other than to deal with the ongoing ramifications of it which would require our participation which does take money and resources in the military of which Bernie Sanders wants to reduce.

U.S. Military Campaign Takes Toll on ISIS’ Cash Flow

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WASHINGTON — American airstrikes have killed 25,000 Islamic State fighters in Iraq and Syria and incinerated millions of dollars plundered by the militants, according to Pentagon officials.

Iraqi and Kurdish forces have taken back 40 percent of the militant group’s land in Iraq, the officials say, and forces backed by the West have seized a sizable amount of territory in Syria that had been controlled by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

But the battlefield successes enjoyed by Western-backed forces in the Islamic State’s heartland have done little to stop the expansion of the militants to Europe, North Africa and Afghanistan. The attacks this year in Brussels, Istanbul and other cities only reinforced the sense of a terrorist group on the march, and among American officials and military experts, there is renewed caution in predicting progress in a fight that they say is likely to go on for years.

“Even as we advance our efforts to defeat Daesh on the front lines,” Deputy Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken told a congressional committee on Tuesday, using another name for the Islamic State, “we know that to be fully effective, we must work to prevent the spread of violent extremism in the first place — to stop the recruitment, radicalization and mobilization of people, especially young people, to engage in terrorist activities.”

Instead of engaging a pseudo-state in the Middle East whose fighters have proved susceptible to American airpower, the United States and its European allies must now also engage in a far more complex struggle against homegrown militants who need relatively few resources to sow bloodshed in the West.


There is a lot more at the source. One thing is clear, it takes more than military power to keep going after terrorist, it takes all the tools we can muster which include surveillance and working with other countries and it won't be over any time soon. What I am getting at, I don't see how we can just withdrawal from all these problems and take money and resources away to provide money for all the things Sanders's is advocating for.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 09:39 am
@snood,
You're the one manically blowing gaskets each time anyone praises Bernie, even sarcastically.

For your treatment, I prescribe de-sensitization. Read the sentences below out loud, and try and manage your anger while doing so. If you read them several times, you should notice that your level of despair goes down progressively, and that you CAN in fact suffer the "feel the bern" discourse without soiling your underwear.

De-sensitization sentences (by order of growing fervour):
- Bernie Sanders fights for the common man, not for the filthy rich.
- For decades, Bernie has been raising all the economic issues that are center-stage today. The guy is prescient!
- Bernie Sanders is more honest than most politicians.
- Bernie Sanders is the best US politician (ever)!
- Bernie makes me feel hot. He is so cute and sexy...
- I want Bernie to be the father of my children.
- Bernie is my hero. I would die for him.
- Bernie Sanders was sent by God to lead us.
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snood
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 12:05 pm
@izzythepush,
Yeah, I made one last pitch to him to try to agree to disagree, but he keeps taking shots about me being obsessed, melting down, soiling my pants, you know - classy, cerebral dialogue. So, one more nut for the ignore pile.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:15 pm
@snood,
You won't regret it. I haven't.
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Lash
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 04:49 pm
Gee. Bernie earns in a year what Hillary can make with 2 speeches...to the right people. There's no denying what she's selling.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-clinton-paid-double-sanders-net-worth-speeches-article-1.2598017?cid=bitly
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 04:57 pm
@Lash,
Jerry Seinfeld and Oprah command more money (so do dozens of others).

What nefarious things are they doing??
roger
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 04:59 pm
@maporsche,
They entertain. I suppose you think Clinton does the same.
revelette2
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 05:08 pm
@roger,
People go see Jerry Seinfeld or Oprah and pay money for it because they want to, if they didn't they would pay and go. People pay money to listen to Hillary Clinton because they want to, or else they wouldn't pay and they wouldn't go.
maporsche
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 05:13 pm
@roger,
Yes. I do, at least as entertaining as any business or world leader can be.

I work for a Fortune 500 company and I've attended dozens of these huge meetings over my 16 year career where we pay $100,000+ for speakers to come in and motivate the workforce or to meet and greet employees. It's usually a very fun event and it's rather exciting when it happens. Lou Holtz was the most recent such speaker. He told some funny stories about his coaching days and then tied it into our business. It was great. 8,000 employees saw him. We probably paid $75,000, the cost per employee was next to nothing (especially in the scheme of things for a major corporation).

I get why a nurse or a school teacher may see these sums of money and balk, but it's a lot more common, and not nefarious at all.

Clinton, one of the most well known and powerful women in the country, who has gotten millions to vote and donate money to help make her the leader of the free world. A woman who has met the most powerful people in the world. Someone with such a unique life SHOULD draw that much money to hear her talk.

Good for her.
Lash
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 05:40 pm
@maporsche,
I'm sure you think this is funny. Most establishment Ds do.

I don't.

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/lists/celebrity-salary/senator-salary/

About U.S. Senator Salaries – How Much Does a Senator Make?
They serve our country and strive to represent our interests, but you may wonder: how much does a senator make?There is a base pay rate for senators, but there are also other allowances and benefits, such as retirement and insurance, that should be considered when calculating the overall compensation a senator receives.

General Earnings

Senators who do not hold a leadership position within the Senate are sometimes referred to as “rank and file” senators. These senators all have the same base pay, and it’s a much more than the six dollars a session the first Senators earned back in 1989. How much does a senator make these days? As of 2010, yearly salaries for United States Senators were as follows:

• Basic Senators (no leadership position) – $174,000

• Majority and Minority Leaders – $193,400

• President Pro Tempore – $223,500

• Vice President (President of the Senate) – $230,700
____________________________________

So, how come

Hillary Clinton's net worth is $31.3 million. Our Hillary Clinton net worth number comes from analyzing her 2015 U.S. Public Financial Disclosure Reports. Bill Clinton has an estimated net worth of $80 million. That gives a combined Bill and Hillary Clinton net worth of $111 million dollars.Apr 2, 2016
Hillary Clinton Net Worth - Money Nation
moneynation.com/hillary-clinton-net-worth/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/16/clinton-foundation-amends-four-years-worth-of-tax-returns/





revelette2
 
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Wed 13 Apr, 2016 06:12 pm
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Bernie Sanders has cut into Hillary Clinton’s lead among likely Democratic voters in New York, a new poll released Wednesday found, but the former secretary of state is still beating her progressive rival by double digits.

Clinton led Sanders 52%-42% in the latest Siena Research Institute poll, suggesting that the Vermont senator has made little progress among Empire State Democrats since the group’s last poll in March, which showed him trailing the former secretary of state 55%-34%.


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