When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Set enjoys putting people down but I have to admit he usually knows what he is talking about but enjoys being acerbic.

Like Ive been saying they all, the college kids, have bought into free college education and hope if Bernie gets in he will cancel their debt. They certainly need to talk to their parents about politician honesty.

Why don't you keep the nasty personal remarks to yourself. I haven't "put you down." You came up with some whine about intelligence, and i had said nothing about your intelligence or your right to an opinion. Apparently, you don't think that i have a right to an opinion and its expression. I'm not responsible for any of your resentments, and i am not the author of your miseries in life. Keep that **** to yourself and don't try to blame it on me.

Thanks for that. Found it very informative, eg this bit:


So it's not just that the kids are more idealist, revolutionary and all that. It's also that this particular generation has been sacrificed, somewhat.

"My Political Beliefs are Rooted in the Conservatism That I Was Raised With" Hillary Clinton [audio]


I think it speaks volumes about where people are rooted -- and Hillary's roots are clear (spoken while First Lady).
"I am very proud that I was a Goldwater girl."

and yet, from just weeks ago on CNN, she wonders why there is a trust issue:

"I understand that voters have questions. I'm going to do my very best to answer those questions. I think there's an underlying question that maybe is really in the back of people's minds. And that is, you know, is she in it for us or is she in it for herself? I think that's, you know, a question that people are trying to sort through. And I'm going to demonstrate that I have always been the same person"

________

The same person, indeed.

"My Political Beliefs are Rooted in the Conservatism That I Was Raised With" Hillary Clinton

Her roots may be rooted in conservatism but her record has democratic on domestic issues for the past twenty or more years. People are allowed to evolve.

Bernie Sanders ranks the same as Hillary Clinton on domestic issues.

When Bill Clinton Put Republican Governors In Charge Of Welfare, What Could Go Wrong?
I wonder if he even thought about what might happen if Republicans were able to "adjust" welfare in their states.....

Here's how it turned out.

In 1996 68% of the families living in poverty received benefits.

By 2014 that number has been reduced to 23%, and Republicans are bragging about how many struggling families they have kicked off of "welfare".

What is the source for your numbers?

75% of families with incomes below 130% of the poverty line receive SNAP benefits.

It is a grave lie that Hillary Clinton has always supported blacks.

Like I said, people are allowed to change their position as you should know, Lash, since you have changed yours since the Bush W years.

In 2007, when you were still a Bush fan, Lash, Hillary Clinton introduced a count every vote act.



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Who is the Republican you said you might vote for a few weeks ago? Looks like you're "evolving" too.

Your post said Hillary had always been a supporter of blacks. That was a lie.

She was raised conservative Republican, worked her way over to moderate Republican then Democrat by her mid-twenties. She was 18 years old and not old enough to vote when Goldwater ran.

From FactCheck:
"I wasn’t born a Democrat," Hillary Rodham Clinton writes on page one of her autobiography, "Living History."

She grew up in Park Ridge, Ill., a Republican suburb of Chicago, and describes her father, Hugh Rodham Jr., as a "rock-ribbed, up-by-your-bootstraps, conservative Republican and proud of it" (page 11). Her 9th-grade history teacher was also a very conservative Republican who encouraged her to read Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater’s 1960 book, "Conscience of a Conservative," which inspired Clinton to write a term paper on the American conservative movement.

Goldwater is remembered for saying, in his speech accepting the Republican nomination for president in 1964, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice … and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." He lost to President Lyndon Johnson in a landslide, eking out only 38.5 percent of the popular vote.

Clinton writes that she began to have doubts about Goldwater’s politics even before she left high school, when a teacher forced her to play President Johnson during a mock presidential debate in order to "learn about issues from the other side" (page 24). Later, as a junior at Wellesley College, she writes, "I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy," driving to New Hampshire on weekends to stuff envelopes and walk precincts (pages 32-33). Even so, she also worked as a Washington, D.C., intern for Gerald Ford, who was then the Republican leader of the House, and she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller’s unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35).

At Yale Law School, however, she completed her transformation from Goldwater Republican to liberal Democrat. At Yale, she met Marian Wright Edelman and helped in her investigations of the Nixon administration. She also met Bill Clinton, and in 1972 joined him in Austin, Texas, where they both worked for George McGovern’s campaign. There, she writes, "I quickly made some of the best friends I’ve ever had"
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

Happy now, Ms Conservative-Pretending-To-Be-For-Bernie Lash?

I have never in my life said I would vote for a republican. Provide proof of such or admit you made that up out of whole cloth.

I wasn't aware she started out being a "Goldwater girl" I haven't been obsessed with Hillary Clinton like you seem to be. When I said that I mean by her views and votes I have read about in the last decade and mostly in the senate.

Don't get me wrong, either: I was a Goldwater boy, myself. I got over the GOP after the Teapublicans took over, even though I've voted an almost straight Democratic/Green ticket since I voted for GHWB. I voted for the Big Dog's re-election because I felt he was the closest to the progressive mid-western, up-east Gop tradition - TWR, Taft (the whole family), Nixon (ignoring the deplorable personal weirdness), the Grange movement .....

People do evolve. But one would hope that at least their evolution might be questioned in the light of the fees she collected from industries and companies she to claims to evolved away from. That certain arrogance isoff putting. A strange thing to happen to a Clinton. Big Dog learned that talking to public honesty works and the one time he lied - he payed too much for it. Between the good experiance and the one painful lesson, one might think as strong a diplomat Hillary has certainly proven she is, she'd have handled her campaign a lot differently. Arrogance certainly cost her a lot when she was pushing for national healthcare in the second year of Big Dog's first term.

Quote bobsal:

Donor lists are not necessarily and indication of the individual's performance while in office. There is a whole list of things Hillary has done which is contrary to what the oil and energy companies wanted. Fact is, corporations like to contribute to both campaigns, that happens a lot.

I get that. It was only a coincidence when Bill Gates donated personally to GWB and MS corporately at exactly the same time there were business ethics being investigated by SEC regarding their dealings over seas.

Sorry. These guys may make blanket contributions but $80m in speakers fees with no pro quo?

Half of Hillary Clinton’s Speaking Fees Came From Groups Also Lobbying Congress

Philip Elliott @Philip_Elliott

May 19, 2015
Hillary Clinton Campigns In Iowa, Meeting With Small Business Owners
Scott Olson—Getty Images Democratic presidential hopeful and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hosts a small business forum with members of the business and lending communities at the Bike Tech bicycle shop on May 19, 2015 in Cedar Falls, IA.
Groups with giant lobbying budgets gave Clinton big speaking fees ahead of 2016 presidential campaign

http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/

Almost half of the money from Hillary Clinton’s speaking engagements came from corporations and advocacy groups that were lobbying Congress at the same time.

The Democratic presidential candidate earned $10.2 million in 2014, her first full calendar year after leaving the State Department. Of that, $4.6 million came from groups that also spent on lobbying Congress that year, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

In all, the corporations and trade groups that Clinton spoke to in 2014 spent $72.5 million lobbying Congress that same year.

Asked Tuesday if there were conflicts of interest in speaking to these groups, Clinton was curt with reporters in Cedar Falls, Iowa. “No,” she said.

“Obviously, Bill and I have been blessed and we’re very grateful for the opportunities that we had but we’ve never forgotten where we’ve come from,” she added.

But the speaking fees were more about where they were going next.

Name 2014 Lobbying Spending Clinton Speaking Fee
General Electric $20,085,000 $225,500
Biotechnology Industry Organization $10,186,000 $335,500
Qualcomm Inc $9,530,000 $125,000
Pharmaceutical Care Management Assn $4,284,916 $225,500
National Auto Dealers Assn $3,657,000 $225,500
Cisco Systems $3,450,000 $325,000
Advanced Medical Technology Association $3,392,000 $265,000
Ameriprise Financial $3,390,000 $225,500
Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals $3,008,000 $125,000
eBay Inc $2,544,325 $315,000
Xerox Corp $1,435,000 $225,000
Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries $1,380,000 $225,500
Premier Health Alliance $1,258,696 $225,000
Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers $1,083,180 $225,500
United Fresh Produce Assn $1,040,000 $225,000
Salesforce.Com $610,000 $451,000
National Council for Behavioral Health $600,356 $225,500
Corning Inc $600,000 $225,500
Deutsche Bank AG $600,000 $280,000
California Medical Association $350,000 $100,000
Total $72,484,473 $4,575,000

For critics, the arrangement shows that many of people who booked an appearance saw it as another way to gain influence with a leading contender to become the next President.

“It’s big money. They’re spending it because they have far greater sums riding on those decisions that they’re trying to shape,” said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics. “Corporations or associations must justifiably make these investments because everyone knew for many years that Clinton would always remain a power broker. Every man or woman on the street thought Hillary Clinton would run again.”

As with routine political donations, it’s hard to suss out a direct cause-and-effect from the speaking fees.

Take the Pacific trade deal being negotiated by President Obama. In all, groups and corporations that are pushing for the Trans-Pacific Partnership to be approved spent almost $3 million to hear from Clinton. The signatories to one pro-trade letter, dated March 2014, paid more than $1 million in speaking fees in 2014.

Yet Clinton, who backed the deal as Secretary of State, has since hedged her support in light of criticism from liberal stalwarts such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Critics argue that the harm comes from the perception of improper influence rather than from textbook-definition corruption.

“Some of the damage is already done,” said Larry Noble, a former counsel to the Federal Election Commission and a current adviser to the reform-minded Campaign Legal Center. “It undermines the credibility of our elected officials. Let’s say she becomes President and she takes a position that is pro-Wall Street. Even if she in her heart of hearts believes it’s the right way to go … people won’t believe it.”

The speaking fees were not the only way that companies and trade groups sought to curry influence with Clinton.

San Francisco-based tech company Salesforce.com, which backs the trade deal, paid Clinton $451,000 for speeches in February and October of 2014. Separately, its employees gave the grassroots Ready for Hillary group $55,250. (By contrast, it spent a relatively modest $610,000 lobbying Congress.)

And Cisco, the San Jose-based technology company, paid Clinton $325,000 for a speech in Las Vegas and spent another almost $3.5 million lobbying in 2014. That same year, it again gave to the Clinton Foundation, brining its cumulative total to somewhere between $1 million and $5 million. The Foundation does not detail annual contributions and reports lifetime totals only in broad ranges.

To be sure, there is nothing illegal or improper about a retired politician giving a speech. Ex-government officials hit the speaking circuit and write memoirs all the time. Clinton’s predecessor, Condoleezza Rice, earned $150,000 for some of her speeches after her four years as Secretary of State under Republican President George W. Bush.

“The idea of leaving office and giving speeches is not new. What’s new is that you may come back to office,” Noble said. “If she had retired after being Secretary of State, there’d be much less issue with it.”

Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Hillary Clinton – Personal Financial Disclosures (2014).
With reporting from Tessa Berenson, Michael Scherer, Pratheek Rebala and Chris Wilson

$153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees, documented
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By Robert Yoon, CNN

Updated 1:15 PM ET, Sat February 6, 2016


(CNN)Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.

The analysis was made at a time when Hillary Clinton has been under scrutiny for her ties to Wall Street, which has been a major focus of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on the campaign trail.
"What being part of the establishment is, is in the last quarter, having a super PAC that raised $15 million from Wall Street, that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other special interests," Sanders said at Thursday's Democratic debate hosted by MSNBC.

Sanders: Clinton is 'funded by Wall Street'
The former secretary of state testily responded to Sanders' charges.
"Time and time again, by innuendo, by insinuation, there is this attack that he is putting forth which really comes down to, you know, anybody who ever took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought. And I just absolutely reject that, senator, and I really don't think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are worthy of you. And enough is enough," Clinton said.

She then challenged him: "If you've got something to say, say it directly, but you will not find that I ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation I ever received."
That time Sanders voted for Bill Clinton's plan to loosen regulation on Wall Street

The Clinton campaign has been noncommittal about releasing transcripts of the paid speeches and Clinton has told reporters that she will "look into" making her remarks public.

Your ignorance doesn't excuse the lie.