When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@bobsal u1553115,

You Bernie supporters have been screaming your heads off about Clinton's donations from the oil and fossil fuel industries. I suppose you have an explanation for these votes and positions by Hillary?

Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the Campaign for America's Future, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)

Donation lists are not necessarily indicative of future performance while in office, as this list illustrates.

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@Blickers,

Good information. Thanks for sharing it.

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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_570930dae4b0836057a16748

What would be a legitimate reason to white noise reporters as you deliver a fundraising speech? Would you trust a politician who used this strategy?

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@Lash,

Your post aptly illustrates how ignorant Bernie supporters can be. White noise has been found to be an effective treatment for tinnitus. Since the press has had their ears ringing with with the screaming sounds of hysterical Bernie and Trump fans for several months, Hillary thoughtfully provided the reporters something to grant them relief.

From the Harvard Medical School webpage:

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hearing experts often recommend [for tinnitus] a trial of simple masking strategies (such as setting a radio at low volume between stations) before they turn to more expensive options.

And these reporters are complaining about it? That's the ungrateful press for you-no good deed goes unpunished.

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I understand that some people want to maintain the Bill/Hillary connection. On all sides of the political spectrum.

I don't like it, but I understand that people want to do it for their own reasons.

I wish Hillary had been the first (and only) Clinton president. She's the brains of the pair. No doubt he's a better schmoozer but I wasn't a fan and doubt I'll ever become one.

Ed Kilgore gets it. Again.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/bill-clinton-needs-to-stop-defending-crime-bill.html#

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So why is the former president defending both laws as though they were indeed his signature accomplishments? Why can't he just describe them as close calls on the messy products of the legislative sausage-making machine in a time of great social turmoil and move on? Why reinforce a reputation for being a "triangulator" who deliberately worked with the enemy to undercut his own party's progressives?

Another incident of his presidency may help explain this problem. In 1995, Bill Clinton said this at a high-dollar Houston fund-raiser:

Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too.

That was what he said about a budget that set the table for the long boom of the mid-to-late 1990s, contradicting almost universal Republican predictions that it would produce a recession.

For whatever reason, Bill Clinton has a tendency to listen too much to his critics and own things that were not really his. Unfortunately, and unfairly, his wife winds up owning them, too.

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Bill Maher: Bernie Sanders is really breathing down Hillary's neck. It's been decades since a man did that.

Meheh.

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@Setanta,

You and lash take any statement you disagree with as a personal attack. I still call a spade a spade and you are very fast to take offense where none was made but go ahead and do your own whining about your injured feelings. I think I will just ignore your crybaby bullshyt. Have a nice day.

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@ehBeth,

Quote Ed Kilgore, from ehBeth's link:

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Why can't he just describe them as close calls on the messy products of the legislative sausage-making machine in a time of great social turmoil and move on?

Because Hillary's opposition, (Bernie now, the Republican if she wins the nomination), will try to do what the protestors did, which was to say that Clinton's term was not good for blacks. In point of fact, Clinton's term was very good for blacks indeed and both he and Hillary might just as well do what they do best, which is fight back against organized opposition trying to smear them. The crime bill not only stopped the annual black murder total from soaring, it brought it down over 30% by the end of Clinton's terms. Yes, you can question some of the aspects of the bill, and Clinton has already apologized for those aspects. But the overall effect of the bill was quite positive, as was most of the effects of Clinton's presidency, for both blacks and whites.

There comes a time to admit some mistakes, but there also comes a time not to let your opponents belittle your accomplishments and set the narrative that you have more to apologize for than boast about.

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Former president Carter says Hillary didn't do that great a job as Sec. of State...
http://thehill.com/policy/international/203189-carter-on-clinton-she-took-very-little-action#

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@RABEL222,

You're a legend in your own mind. You haven't injured my feelings, i just don't intend to be the passive victim of your nastiness. You make nasty accusations which are untrue, and then claim that it is my problem. The problem is in your resentment of others. Grow up. Yes, indeed, do what Lash has done, put me on ignore, bury your head in the sand. The crybaby here was you when you made your injured feelings plain by complaining that i had denigrated your intelligence. That's a lie.

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@Setanta,

Rabel I think he said he was in his high eighties, I think he is grown up. Personally I have respect for him for being so active at his age and on the internet and posting on threads, not a lot of older folks do that.

I agree you wasn't insulting his intelligence. I can understand how he thought so.

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@revelette2,

I actually went back some twenty pages, I have to admit, set is right in this instance, when he insulted someone's intelligence, it was Oliver not Rabel. So, can we move on?

Some polls show Bernie closing in to both California and New York but not over taking Hillary, hope it stays way on both election nights. Young people are excited by Bernie for whatever reason, I can't understand it myself. It is different than when Obama ran, then it was more the college age technical types of younger folks who were excited by the Obama campaign and blacks. But Bernie is exciting all the young and frankly it is baffling. I guess Hillary just is kind of boring in comparison to his screaming promises of free education and health care and breaking up big banks, never mind if he has no idea how to bring any of it about.

Hillary needs something to compete with that, but for the life of me I can't think what it would be. I suppose she has to keep on slugging away and hope in the end, she keeps winning.

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@Lash,

Carter and the Clintons have never been close. Maybe because Bill had a rough first year when he took office and Republicans tried to brand him as a "second Carter" because he was a Southern Governor who was lightly regarded when he first started running for President. Carter had been effectively smeared by the right, and now they were trying the same on Bill. Clinton fought back, but he didn't bother to stick up for Carter when he was doing it, and the Democrats have never really stuck up for Carter as a party. They have always regarded him as damaged goods, as being so effectively put down by the opposition that it would be a Herculean task to build his reputation back up. I have no idea if Clinton ever invited Carter to the White House, but my guess is that if he did, it was a group of former Presidents or some situation where it could be explained that Carter was just one of a group.

So Carter gets in his little digs when he can.

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@Blickers,

So, Carter is just a petulant Machiavellian? I've heard him described many ways, but your characterization is...unique.

But, do throw the old man under the bus. Sell your soul to a Clinton.

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@Lash,

Not so much a Machievellian, but he'll throw a few barbs your way if he thinks you've disrespected him. Fact is, the whole party has largely distanced themselves from him politically, the Republicans sold the idea that he was a terrible president quite well. The Republicans have done much the same with George W. Bush, who was not given any prominent speaking positions during the conventions since he left the presidency.

Carter has largely rehabbed his reputation with his good works after his presidency, Habitat for Humanity and many others. What Bush does remains to be seen.

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@Blickers,

I didn't dislike him in the first place, so not rehabbed to me.

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@Blickers,

I would agree that Carter is a great ex - president.

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@revelette2,

Im in my eighties and very seldom attack people for what they post. Do I get a bye also.

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@Blickers,

I hope you took the time to read the balance of the article.

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@ehBeth,

I did read the rest of the article, which is two years old. Basically, Carter doesn't have much nice to say about Hillary's stint as Sec'y of State. The man is entitled to his opinion. Carter really hasn't had too much nice to say about the Clintons for awhile.

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