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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
maporsche
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:27 am
@revelette2,
Internet learning is fine Rev as long as you don't claim to be an expert on the subject you just learned about, which some here are inclined to do. I think that's what Set has a problem with.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:27 am
@snood,
I'm not in a popularity contest, snood. Much of what happens here is about that. Social postures, aliances, ganging up, petty board politics... None of which matters to me. I'm here for the issues, for the debates, for the knowledge part, and only for that.
maporsche
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:30 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I'm here for the issues, for the debates, for the knowledge part, and only for that.


If ONLY that were the truth. So many of your posts are about criticizing other posters or making up claims about them or defending yourself from attacks or attacking others.

You're apparently here for a lot more than the issues and knowledge. And don't deny this, or I'll take the time to go through your posting history and prove you wrong publicly. I'll do this mostly because I'll take joy in it.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:31 am
@maporsche,
Set is just losing his marbles. I was not talking about him, and yet he jumped at my throat. Like he jumps at pretty much everybody's throat now and then. It's beyond his control.
maporsche
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:32 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Set is just losing his marbles. I was not talking about him, and yet he jumped at my throat. Like he jumps at pretty much everybody's throat now and then. It's beyond his control.


By all means, roll in the mud then...but complaining about it won't stop anything.
revelette2
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:33 am
@maporsche,
Understood sir. Smile
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Setanta
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:33 am
@revelette2,
I don't decry the interwebs as a source for autodidacts--i'm just pointing out that it is a phony basis for claiming expertise in any subject. I often make pronouncements about history. I will go to Wikipedia to make sure of dates or the spelling of names. For factual content, though, i have learned not to trust that source. That's because i've read enough history to catch their errors, or the specious attempts at synthesis in their articles. I can almost always cite the sources for what i write. Many people here who comment on scientific matters are able to cite the literature.

Yes, you can learn a lot from web searches, and i heartily endorse using the resource. I'm not knocking google, i'm knocking those who use google and then come back here and pretend to have expert knowledge. Some people have accused me of that, too. However, apart from google new searches, you really can't use google or Wikipedia unless you are already well grounded in the subject in question.
Setanta
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:34 am
@maporsche,
What he said.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:34 am
@maporsche,
Sure honey, do your worse. Prove me wrong publicly, if you can. :-)
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:36 am
@maporsche,
I'm just explaining to you the dynamic at play here. I was talking to Rabel when Set jumped at my throat, assuming i was talking of him. I wasn't. All these are facts.
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revelette2
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:38 am
@Setanta,
Not to swell your head, I imagine you don't need that, but I figured some time back you were real if a little arrogant. That's ok, we all have our quirks.
Brand X
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:39 am
@snood,
This morning he had his answers well rehearsed when Mika asked him the very same questions on MSNBC. A stark difference from when he was asked before.
snood
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:48 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

This morning he had his answers well rehearsed when Mika asked him the very same questions on MSNBC. A stark difference from when he was asked before.

I know - I saw that. Remarkable what one night of frantic rehearsing does, isn't it?
Olivier5
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:50 am
@snood,
I did well with the Daily News too, but THEY flunked the interview.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 09:20 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Without them Bernie wouldent be as close to Hillary as he us. Are you sure you want them removed and closed primaries returned.


I want a more transparent universal primary system that allows for third party elections. I want elections that require not a pluarity but a real majority with run off elections for elections with no candidate in majority.

Even more than I want Bernie.

Oh, and a "none of the above" selection might be an option I'd consider seriously.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 09:26 am
@revelette2,
Kiss, kiss . . . love you too.

Who here is retailing opinions of which they are not certain? Arrogance may well be in the eye of the beholder.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 09:28 am
@RABEL222,
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The Iran hostage crisis did him in. I have always wondered how much Ronny Raygun and his people had to do with Iran holding onto the hostages until after the election.


Some claim that Ronnie Reagan went around the Carter Administration and negotiated secretly and directly with Iran specifically over the hostages, and in fact purposely foiled any possible gains for Carter.

Others say the Iranians delayed because they weren't sure who'd they be dealing with after the election and that once Ronnie was elected Iran decided a quick solution would be a good thing.
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maporsche
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 12:01 pm
I'm not a woman so I can't speak to what much of this means to women on a personal level, but I found this article interesting (written by a woman).

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-02-22/young-women-dont-realize-that-hillary-clinton-has-been-fighting-for-them



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Why Young Women Aren’t for Hillary ... Yet
Young female voters may not regard Hillary Clinton as revolutionary because 20th century feminist struggles don't resonate with them.

By Colleen Butler-Sweet Feb. 22, 2016, at 2:00 p.m.

As the first votes of the 2016 primary season are counted, much has been made of the trouble Hillary Clinton has had reaching young, democratic women. Many are not answering the battle cry of 20th century feminists, instead pledging allegiance to Clinton's 74-year-old male opponent Bernie Sanders.

I've witnessed this disconnect firsthand as a sociology professor, listening to my students ask time and again, "Why should I vote for a woman just because she's a woman?" I often play the role of feminist "big sister" as I listen to my female students and urge them to explain their positions to their mothers, grandmothers and aunts who can't understand their resistance. As it turns out, these young women aren't distracted by flashy slogans, ignorant to the issues or in it to meet boys. They are thoughtful, attentive and want to engage more. We just need to consider their social and historical context to better understand what drives them.

Today's college freshmen were born in 1997. As adolescents, they bore witness to the 2008 economic collapse and watched their parents' frightened response to the crashing stock market. This economic unrest made college affordability especially relevant, as many families simply couldn't shoulder the burden of soaring tuition costs, leading many students to compile thousands of dollars in educational debt while fighting over the few jobs available to them upon graduation. All of these challenges borne from the 2008 economic collapse directly impact them and collectively represent one of the most profound stories of injustice in their lifetime.

This is one of the primary reasons Sen. Sanders' passionate critique of the millionaires and billionaires who wrecked the economy resonates so viscerally with young people. The problem is, even if every one of Sanders' economic goals were met, gender inequality would persist, and sexism would still matter. So why does Sanders' message resonate so much with young women who aren't fully served by it?

The college women of today were born in an era when a woman's right to work, right to choose, right to birth control were all "settled law." They simply didn't witness the battle. Despite the immediate relevance to their lives, lecturing them on how many legislators are threatening their reproductive rights is like telling them someone wants to take away their right to vote – it doesn't sound plausible or realistic, so it's easy to dismiss such threats as fringe and immaterial.

The gender wage gap and glass ceiling also don't quite hit home. As college students, young women have not yet navigated the workforce or confronted inadequate family leave policies. Moreover, college represents a stage in their lives where they are, in many ways, equal to the men on campus, even outnumbering them in many classes. In effect, young women haven't yet faced the full scope of institutional sexism and don't have a complete frame of reference for gender inequality. Since they don't have this firsthand experience of sexism, it's perfectly reasonable for them to ask, "Why should I vote for a woman just because she's a woman?"

While this aversion to identity politics is well-intended, Hillary Clinton isn't just any woman.

Virtually every young woman I've taught plans to have a family and a career. In 1980, when Clinton was an attorney and about to become a first-time mother, her law firm had no maternity leave plan until she informed them she would take four months off to care for her newborn. This bold step effectively established the firm's first family leave policy. Clinton didn't just advocate for maternity leave, she created it at a time when women were expected to give up their careers when they became mothers. During her time as senator, Clinton introduced eight pieces of legislation with the explicit goal of expanding and protecting women's reproductive rights and fought hard for a woman's right to emergency contraception. Many college women are familiar with the Plan-B pill. What they don't know is they largely have Hillary Clinton to thank for it. As a candidate, she isn't scared to talk about issues like sexual violence on campus, something particularly relevant to female co-eds today, when 1 in 5 college women are sexually assaulted. There's also no candidate with a more long-standing and authentic passion for shattering the glass ceiling and closing the gender wage gap. While there's no question that Sanders should be applauded for voting for gender equality legislation, Clinton has written many bills personally, lived through and overcome the challenges firsthand and has the battle scars to prove it.

Perhaps these concerns aren't on young women's radar, but have we even told them about this history? Have their feminist mothers, grandmothers, aunts and big sisters shared their stories, their struggles and their victories? Have they talked and listened to these young women who so badly want to be a part of a movement and make a difference? Have we taken the time and care to explain why Hillary Clinton is revolutionary? If we haven't, we should. The truth is Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the young women of today since before they were born. They just don't realize it ... yet.
ehBeth
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 12:06 pm
@Blickers,
he didn't need them by that point

they didn't change the result
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revelette2
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2016 12:28 pm
@maporsche,
I can't really speak for a lot of feminist issues as I have never really worked. (I imagine that might provoke some unsavory responses) However, Lash is fond of saying how blacks should support Bernie Sanders because he has always been for civil rights issues which is true, but then so has Hillary. In any event, by the same token, women teachers are paid less than men teachers. Hillary has always been a strong advocate for equal pay for equal work issues.

The following is from 2014 but I imagine the central facts if not the current data is still relevant to the point I am making.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/MWimages/MW-BY608_WageGa_MG_20140404125223.jpg

Quote:
It’s not news that women earn less than men. But a soon-to-be-released report illustrates a particularly disappointing trend: women earn less than men even in popular woman-dominated jobs.

The Institute for Women’s Policy Research crunched government data and found that in each of the 20 most common occupations for women in 2013, women’s median weekly earnings for full-time work were less than weekly earnings for men. Within those top 20 jobs, that relationship holds true for occupations with the largest shares of women.

Take elementary- and middle-school teachers, for example. Women in these full-time spots made median weekly earnings of $937 in 2013, compared with $1,025 for men. Those figures translate to women making 91.4 cents for each dollar earned by men – a gap of 8.6 cents. That gap widened to as much as 16.4 cents for social workers.

“To improve women’s earnings and reduce the gender earnings gap, women and their families need enhanced efforts to ensure non-discriminatory hiring and pay practices, better training and career counseling, and improved work-family supports,” IWPR concluded.

Looking more broadly at the labor market, median weekly earnings for full-time women workers were $706 last year, 82.1% of men’s weekly earnings of $860, translating to a gap of 17.9%, according to the report. Woman-dominated jobs tend to pay less than fields made up primarily by men, IWPR noted.

“Thus, tackling occupational segregation is an important part of eliminating the gender wage gap,” IWPR’s report noted.

Looking to gain female support in its push to raise the federal minimum wage, the White House recently released a report showing that women would disproportionately benefit from such a hike. While women constitute just under half of the overall labor force, they are about three-quarters of the workers in the 10 largest low-wage jobs, dominating occupations such as childcare workers, home health aides and waitstaff, according to recent analysis from the National Women’s Law Center.

Democrats support raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour from its current level of $7.25, but may be willing to compromise with Republicans on a smaller hike.



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