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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 05:20 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Lash wrote:

It was against the rules.

No it wasn't. Several politicians including Jeb Bush did the same thing. Not necessarily ethical but not illegal, not against any rules at the time.


What Federal Government posting did Jeb Bush hold down?
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parados
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 06:42 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It was not maintained as a server secure for a cabinet member of the sitting president of the US.
And in your role as an expert what specifically was not secure?

Lash wrote:

She doesn't get to change the rules.
She didn't change any rules. Just because some people think it should have been a rule at the time doesn't make it a rule at the time. It became a rule later.

Lash wrote:

It wasn't safe.
And I will ask again in your role as a computer security expert, what should have been different?

Lash wrote:

It was against the rules.
No, it wasn't.
Lash wrote:


It was to hide her activity.
Perhaps but that is merely speculation. It also could have been because she already had an email address on the server and was not technically advanced enough to want another one. I doubt she set up her blackberry which is one of the safest devices there is.
Lash wrote:


Why do you defend her?
Because you are attacking her with false accusations. Find some real facts and then we can discuss. Speculation and wishful thinking doesn't make something against the rules or illegal or even unsafe.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 07:06 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
It was against the rules.


it wasn't.

perhaps the rules should have been different, but they weren't.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 07:09 pm
@parados,
This is a great example of what people hate about Hillary. Lawyering and trying to manipulate semantics and bullshitting. Clinton's "that depends on what your meaning of "is" is..."

**** that. She sucks ass, she's a liar and famous for it. It's not worth my time or energy to run down that **** hole that defines Hillary Clinton.

I'm just going to do everything I can to make sure that lying elitist doesn't access more power and the money that comes with it for corrupt politicians. And the other people who agree with me are winning.

Do your Hillary tap dance. LOL
engineer
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 07:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I'm just going to do everything I can to make sure that lying elitist doesn't access more power and the money that comes with it for corrupt politicians.

Maybe you should do whatever you can to promote Sanders.
Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 07:21 pm
@engineer,
I take it you don't like corruption to be discussed when it's perpetrated by Democrats.

Maybe Parados would like to be an apologist for this?

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/249269-clinton-dodges-keystone-question
parados
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 08:07 pm
@Lash,
Facts matter Lash.

You are the one that is tap dancing and trying to make things be what they aren't. You can dislike Hillary all you want. You can think she is a liar all you want. However if you make false claims, don't get pissy if you are called on them. Lying about Hillary doesn't make her a liar, it makes you one. When accusing someone of breaking the law, the law very much matters. It isn't a case of what "is" is.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law.
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parados
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 08:11 pm
@Lash,
An apologist for her not taking a stand on an issue? Frankly, she is playing politics and being circumspect about a controversial issue. It's something just about every politician does. Why does someone have to be an apologist for it?


Are you an apologist for Sanders for this issue?
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2015/06/mongoose-bernie-sanders-is-a-fraud/
Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 09:10 pm
@parados,
She's likely one of the most hated people in the country because of the very **** you're dancing around - just like her. Look at her trustworthiness stats... Plummeting.

It may seem cute to you, but one of the reasons Bernie Sanders is filling arenas all over the country - and the reason he is going to beat her dirty, corrupt, lying ass is exemplified perfectly in your posts.

Lying liars and the lies they lie. I can see why you like her. Peas in a pod.

But your time is over. Tick tick tick. Smile She's going down. I hope it's a beautiful flame out.

I think the MSM has covered for the Clintons long enough. They take too much. They have no shame.

She whined about being poor. She hasn't driven a car since the 90s. She laughs at you pathetic people who defend her and lie for her.

She's already taken her payoff for TPP. You're a son of a bitch for supporting her while she rapes our country and sits back with her Monsanto payoff as well. Rot in hell.
snood
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 09:37 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

She's likely one of the most hated people in the country because of the very **** you're dancing around - just like her. Look at her trustworthiness stats... Plummeting.

It may seem cute to you, but one of the reasons Bernie Sanders is filling arenas all over the country - and the reason he is going to beat her dirty, corrupt, lying ass is exemplified perfectly in your posts.

Lying liars and the lies they lie. I can see why you like her. Peas in a pod.

But your time is over. Tick tick tick. Smile She's going down. I hope it's a beautiful flame out.

I think the MSM has covered for the Clintons long enough. They take too much. They have no shame.

She whined about being poor. She hasn't driven a car since the 90s. She laughs at you pathetic people who defend her and lie for her.

She's already taken her payoff for TPP. You're a son of a bitch for supporting her while she rapes our country and sits back with her Monsanto payoff as well. Rot in hell.


So, what is your Plan B if Sanders doesn't win the nomination and presidency? Just sit it out?
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 09:48 pm
@snood,
That is the question, isn't it.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 10:05 pm
I stopped voting because of corruption and corporate control of politics.

I re-entered the political process because Bernie Sanders offered himself as a candidate.
The only other person I know I would vote for is Elizabeth Warren.
If any other reasonably decent progressive were to get the nomination, I'd vote for him/her.

There are other independents and people re-entering the process for the same reason. There are Republicans crossing over to vote for an anti-establishment candidate.

There is no way in hell I'd do anything to help Hillary Clinton continue her bullshit.

That doesn't characterize all Bernie voters by a long shot - but it is true of me.

Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 10:09 pm
@Lash,
I'd even vote for Joe if he were to get the nom. To keep a Rep out.

But never HRC.
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nydia2013
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 12:06 am
@Lash,
Quote:
She's likely one of the most hated people in the country because of the very **** you're dancing around - just like her. Look at her trustworthiness stats... Plummeting.


If Clinton were one of the most hated people in the country, why is she still leading in both parties? Granted the gap has narrowed some between Sanders and her, but she still is leading her GOP opponents. The propaganda that is being disseminated regarding Clinton is heating up and those who are impressionable as well as being predisposed towards Sanders or someone other than Hillary will eat this type of disinformation (or until it's proven to NOT be fact) up. Some of us harbor strong feelings, so strong in fact that we refuse to see the other side and, believe me, there are two sides to a situation and sometimes more.

Hillary Clinton being the first "real" female presidential candidate whom many feel has an excellent chance of winning the US Presidency, will get more of her share of slanderous attacks and put downs from Republicans who are deathly afraid they will never gain the White House again because of a changing demographic, along with some Dems who're just distrustful of Hillary, finding this female too close to Wall Street, and the fact that she is now a multimillionaire. (I don't think most people care that she is a millionaire so much, as opposed to her lack of open personality.)

Some of this distrust might be because she is female; also the lady is very private, or some would say secretive which tends to impress others she is hiding something. Hillary is not a people person, but I believe she will get things done on the Democratic platform if given the chance and will work hard for the American people, and if she doesn't get in, the Republicans network of extremely rich corporate businesses etc, will completely consume Sanders.

We are often scrutinizing every single thing Clinton utters, like her cautiousness in responding to questions. We must not forget that Hillary is a politician, like other presidential candidates, and must weigh what she says publicly, and Sanders, who btw is from Vermont, a state that is 93.8% white and who staunchly represents the white middle class. He said he campaigned for Civil Rights in his youth, but I put that down to dabbing his toe to fill out his experience résumé. He was caught off base by the protesters from "Black Lives Matter." He picked up on it quickly after the meaning was explained to him, but personally I find this area of humanity is not exactly his forté. He is clearly more at ease in his comfort zone, socialism for the white middle class.

I can understand your zeal in wanting all to worship at the feet of Sanders, and it's understandable when we feel so forcibly regarding a candidate, but we have to wait and see this play out while not annihilating others along the way; if Sanders gets the nomination first, the only way he would be able to attain the elusive white house is if there is a seismic earthquake to topple the US Capitalist Republic.

hawkeye10
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 12:20 am
@nydia2013,
Quote:
the first "real" female presidential candidate whom many feel has an excellent chance of winning the US Presidency, will get more of her share of slanderous attacks and put downs from Republicans


And she we also get more than her share of support from small bore politically obsessed citizens who will cast their vote thinking of only which sexual organs that candidates sport.

It is hard to tell how this comes out in the end. I have serious doubts of the veracity of the claim that the R's dont like women, though clearly they dont like this woman. Given that she routinely blames R's for everything that is wrong with her life maybe they have good cause.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 12:25 am
@nydia2013,
Quote:
if Sanders gets the nomination first, the only way he would be able to attain the elusive white house is if there is a seismic earthquake to topple the US Capitalist Republic.


You messed up your lines. THis is how it goes:

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Ya she is kinda a elitist bitch who we cant trust and who always brings a semi truck full of drama with her where ever she goes, often to include whining, but I have two words for you. Supreme. Court. We must look past her failings because if the D's can not pick who goes up the world will come to a end. We must try to get an D into the POTUS chair no matter how much the D actually sucks. THat does not matter.
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nydia2013
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 12:47 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I have serious doubts of the veracity of the claim that the R's dont like women


It's not that Republicans do not like women; on the contrary, they think women have their place in the kitchen, bearing children, cleaning the house and there to serve the man. They want to tell them what to do with their bodies, deny them contraceptives, etc. I could go on and on. YOU are the epitome of a chauvinist.

I must get to sleep....I've been suffering from insomnia and sinus trouble and that's why I'm posting so late. I'm ready to doze off now.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 02:23 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Lying liars and the lies they lie.

I've read that book, Clinton doesn't get a mention. It's mostly about Fox News.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/covers/2003/10/09/liesandthelying4web.gif
revelette2
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 05:44 am
@Lash,
I did notice in the Bush years you were more socially progressive (right term?) than a lot of the conservatives. I guess I just couldn't see how someone who supported the conservative agenda during the Bush years could possibly be for Sanders. I mean, democrats have always thought higher taxes should go for the top higher earners in order to pay for a progressive agenda. The idea is not new.

I happen to agree with others that going after Hillary who most likely will win the democrat ticket serves no purpose other than the republican one.
Although to be fair if I remember correctly I did a fair amount of going after Hillary during the 2008 primary season. I still don't go gung ho for her now. I don't know if it makes a difference but I did it because I thought and still do think she was too hawkish, not any of the smears republicans use such as tabloid like stories.
engineer
 
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Tue 28 Jul, 2015 06:01 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I take it you don't like corruption to be discussed when it's perpetrated by Democrats.

Maybe Parados would like to be an apologist for this?

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/249269-clinton-dodges-keystone-question

What is touted about Clinton is not corruption. If you don't like her positions or if you think she is waffling about positions, that is one thing but it is not corruption. Nor is this email thing. Nothing we've been talking about for Clinton relates to corruption unless you tend to see votes against your positions as being somehow corrupt. My point is that you aren't spending ANY time promoting your candidate. Your entire position as stated here is that Clinton is so bad that people should vote for Sanders. I know from a few early posts that you actually favor Sanders based on the merits. You should make that case. Obama did not beat Clinton with an "anybody but Clinton" argument. Neither will Sanders.
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