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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 01:55 pm
@RABEL222,
The New York Times wanted to **** up?
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 01:57 pm
@ehBeth,
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/07/trump-still-leads-gop-field-but-descent-may-be-beginning.html#more

July 22nd

Quote:
On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton leads with 57% to 22% for Bernie Sanders, 5% for Jim Webb, 3% for Lincoln Chafee, and 2% for Martin O'Malley. This does represent some tightening compared to a month ago- Clinton's gone from 65% to 57%, with Sanders gaining from 9% to 22%. Martin O'Malley's announcement bump has also faded, with his support dropping from 5% to 2%.

Clinton may be up by 35 points instead of 56 this month, but she's still pretty dominant across demographic lines. She is polling over 60% with liberals and seniors, and over 5o% with moderates, men, women, whites, and younger voters. Her area of greatest strength though is with African Americans, where she gets 82% to 6% for Sanders and 3% for Webb.
Clinton is in pretty good shape when it comes to potential general election match ups as well. She leads all of the potential Republican candidates by anywhere from 3 to 13 points, comparable to a month ago when her advantages over them ranged from 3 to 7 points. The Republican who comes closest to Clinton is Rand Paul, who trails by 3 at 45/42. Also coming close are Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker all of whom trail by an identical 5 point margin at 46/41.

By far the worst performing Republican against Clinton is Donald Trump, who trails 50/37. The general electorate takes even greater issue with his comments about John McCain than the GOP one, with just 16% of the overall population agreeing with his comments while 60% say they disagree. Trump could definitely make a splash in the general running as an independent at this point though. He gets 23%, taking almost exclusively from Jeb Bush, and leaving Clinton with a 43/25 advantage. Independent voters are a three way tie in that scenario with Clinton and Trump each getting 29% and Bush at 28%. And it's a measure of Bush's difficulties on the right that with 'very conservative' voters Trump actually gets 44% to 41% for Bush and 6% for Clinton.

Rounding out the match ups with Clinton she leads Mike Huckabee (46/40) by 6, Ben Carson (47/39), Chris Christie (46/38), and Ted Cruz (48/40) all by 8, and Carly Fiorina (47/37) by 10.

We also tested Bernie Sanders against the key Republicans and he trails all of them except Trump. His deficits are 7 points against Jeb Bush (44/37), 5 points against Marco Rubio (41/36), and 1 point against Scott Walker (40/39). Against Trump, Sanders leads 47/37. On average Sanders does 8 points worse than Clinton against the Republicans in these head to head match ups.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:02 pm
@ehBeth,
slightly different focus but similar results

July 23rd

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted July 8-21, 2015, on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:02 pm
@ehBeth,
After watching what Sanders has done, watch how strong the anti Hillary sentiment is, I trust that there are about two dozen people wondering if they made the right call to not challenge her. Yes you cant do anything without the D moneymen, but still.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:02 pm
@Lash,
Bernie rolling through.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/latest-national-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-beating-scott-walker-donald-trump-jeb-bush
Glad we can count on you to vote for the one with the best chance of winning. Smile
Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:05 pm
@engineer,
Look at the name of this thread.

In deference to edgar, I decided not to say anything negative about other Dem presidential candidates on his Bernie's In thread. Here, however...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:08 pm
@Lash,
Lash...

...Sanders is getting 15% of the votes in head to head with Hillary. Hillary is getting 65%.

Wake up.

Stop with the damage.

Tout your man...although the guy is a loser in this contest.

But if you truly do champion a progressive agenda. constantly slashing at Hillary is nuts.

If you don't...if you are the stealth bomber some people here think you are...I will acknowledge it does make sense.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Stop with the damage.


The damage has already been done. Democracy, to include debate and choice, is medicine.

Your priorities are extremely fucked up. As is your vision.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Dude, I don't give a **** what you think. My opinion of corporate democrats who are showing their true colors is taking a nose dive as well.

Hillary Clinton is iconic of everything I despise in politics. Bernie Sanders trying to slug it out with corporate establishment thugs is the rarest most glorious thing I've ever seen in politics - and for you cowardly charlatans to turn your backs on him is an affront to everything worth living for.

A rebuke from you is a badge of honor.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:20 pm
@Lash,
the raw CNN poll

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2179399-cnn-orc-poll-2016-election-9-a-m-july-26-2015.html

they've identified the problem Sanders has had in all the polls - on a poll done July 22 - 25, 41% of the respondents had never heard of him (38% when it's registered voters). Scott Walker and Ben Carson are the other two that no one seems to recognize.

Trump and Clinton still lead the way with recognition.

Lash
 
  2  
Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:26 pm
@ehBeth,
This is why we're confident. His numbers go up as his name gets around.

Many people respond positively in polling samples JUST because they know the name.

He's been on a constant upward trajectory - his primary competitor has embarrassingly low trustworthiness numbers, a morass of scandals with legs, and declining polling. Pollsters say if trends continue, Bernie is the nominee.

Thanks for links. Notice how they're being voted down? Facts and polls, not opinions? What does that say about a person...

ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:29 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Pollsters say if trends continue, Bernie is the nominee.


I'm not seeing anything that positive by the analysts.

I'd be pleased if the numbers supported that.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:30 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Dude, I don't give a **** what you think. My opinion of corporate democrats who are showing their true colors is taking a nose dive as well.

Hillary Clinton is iconic of everything I despise in politics. Bernie Sanders trying to slug it out with corporate establishment thugs is the rarest most glorious thing I've ever seen in politics - and for you cowardly charlatans to turn your backs on him is an affront to everything worth living for.

A rebuke from you is a badge of honor.


Okay. Wear it as a "badge of honor"...although it is almost impossible to get more trite than that, Lash.

You are doing damage to the progressive agenda with what you are doing.

Wear that as a badge also!


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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:32 pm
@ehBeth,
Perhaps I was too confident in this guy's credentials. Rolling Eyes But here it is anyway. (And yeah, a little hope mixed in with my "assessment" of the article.) Mr. Green

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/my-prediction-bernie-sanders-will-win-the-white-house.html
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:37 pm
@ehBeth,
Clintons unfavorable numbers are huge and getting worse.

Quote:
Gallup published data Friday showing that more voters viewed her unfavorably than favorably for the first time since 2008. Her 43% favorable rating was down from a peak of 66% in 2012 when she still served as secretary of State. Quinnipiac polling from key swing states released earlier in the week found her standing was even worse in key potential general election battleground states, including Iowa.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-likability-20150727-story.html#page=1

Quote:
At one recent event she painted a picture of herself, a potential future president, and her former president husband sitting with their granddaughter, sometimes talking, sometimes reading, sometimes singing.


"She does have some Clinton genes," she said of Charlotte. Then she joked, "Her problem is probably she's talking too much."


Another instance of Hillary not getting it. We dont think she talks too much, we think that she stonewalls too much, that she is a very isolated high ranking member of the elite. Hillary thinks that she can overcome all of this, and the fact that a lot of use dont like her, with high priced packaging from handlers.

It will never work.
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:37 pm
@Lash,
Fair enough.

Bernie's definitely the kind of candidate I'd like to see making a change in the US political scene.

I'm not as optimistic as you are - but I'm looking at it from a distance.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 02:40 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Fair enough.

Bernie's definitely the kind of candidate I'd like to see making a change in the US political scene.

I'm not as optimistic as you are - but I'm looking at it from a distance.

Bernie will not get elected, but supporters of him as well a Trump are putting the elite on notice that their bullshit is not going to fly anymore. We have had it. We are coming up soon on a decade since the big crash and the bosses still act like they dont understand the problems much less have any solutions for them. We have lost faith in the process and the people who run it.
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parados
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 04:14 pm
@Lash,
I am hardly pretending I know more. I am pointing out they know less than you think they do.

A personal server that was already set up and was being used. It was the server being used by a former President. She didn't set it up for this purpose. She didn't create her email for this purpose. While it is possible to argue she probably used it to try to prevent FIOS requests anything else is speculation it seems.

Quote:
She's just a silly girl who can't use a fax and doesn't really understand why she should follow protocol and use a reliable, secure method of communication.

I am curious as to how you know the Clinton Presidential server was not reliable or secure. Please provide actual facts and not more speculation.
Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jul, 2015 04:21 pm
@parados,
It was not maintained as a server secure for a cabinet member of the sitting president of the US.

She doesn't get to change the rules.

It wasn't safe.

It was against the rules.

It was to hide her activity.

Why do you defend her?
engineer
 
  2  
Mon 27 Jul, 2015 05:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It was against the rules.

No it wasn't. Several politicians including Jeb Bush did the same thing. Not necessarily ethical but not illegal, not against any rules at the time.
 

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