When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Clinton is over dohble the delegates Sanders has. Just a fact.

Senators & Hillary supporters going after Hillary on her false statement on auto bailout vote

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-senators-take-issue-hillary-clintons-portrayal-bailout-vote-2332552
excerpts - more at link

Democratic Senators Take Issue With Hillary Clinton’s Portrayal Of Bailout Vote

Heading into crucial primaries in auto industry states such as Michigan and Ohio, Hillary Clinton in recent days has argued that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ 2009 vote to block the release of Wall Street bailout money proves he “was against the auto bailout” and that he voted “against the money that ended up saving the auto industry.” But other Democratic lawmakers who voted the same way as Sanders are challenging Clinton’s portrayal of that vote.

In interviews with International Business Times, two former Democratic senators took issue with the notion promoted by the former secretary of state that their vote to block Wall Street bailout money somehow put them at odds with the auto industry. Another Democratic senator’s office told IBT that the vote was about reining in the financial industry — not about opposing help for autoworkers.


However, former North Dakota Sen. Byron Dorgan told IBT that the vote in question “was viewed by most as here’s what needs to be done to address the Wall Street issue” and that therefore he voted to block the money because “my view of it was if you don’t add some restrictions now, you’ll never add them, and so for the next year and a half Wall Street was able to work their will on a range of things that should have been done but were never done.”


A similar sentiment was expressed by Indiana’s former Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh — who also voted with Sanders to block the TARP money. He told IBT that while he did not recall the specific 2009 vote that Clinton is citing, his state is home to a large contingent of autoworkers and that he therefore does not believe he cast a vote that was designed to deny help to the auto industry.

“My state, Indiana, is a big auto state, and I was always very strongly in favor of helping the auto companies, and I’m glad we did,” said Bayh, who has endorsed Clinton’s presidential bid. “So I would find it to be very unlikely that I cast something that at the time was perceived to be an anti-auto vote.”

Delegates eventually go with the nominee.

Its all about perspective:

This is a great example of why a lot of people consider her unelectable.

She's far too dishonest. She's willing to intentionally mislead voters with deception to take votes from Bernie. She has made a career of misleading voters for a variety of reasons, many to line her pockets.

I'd like to think her views are evolving. A cynic might think she was flip flopping to garner vote.

If you can dig it up, watch "Boston Legal", Season 4, Episode 18.

Its about the 2004 primary and HRC is miffed because BHO got more delegates than she in a primary she won. The episode is especially good because it takes on the primary system and it could be this years election cycle described.

I gather we're all clear now that Hillary will not give up her candidacy. George was being just a tad optimistic there.

And I gather that most of us now comprehend that there isn't an equivalence in what is happening with both parties. There is, obviously, discord on the left between those who wish a more aggressive populism and those who deem that goal a fine one but bound to be thwarted by the realities of existing structures of power - that progress can definitely be made but it inevitably will be incremental.

In contrast, one can name and count and quote the incredible number of conservative thinkers/writers who are seriously concerned that the GOP may not survive this election cycle and that the GOP/conservative brand might well be damaged for a long while.

I suppose I ought to be happy about this but I'm actually rather frightened. What frightens me is the potential for that severe conflict on the right to morph into something quite ugly.

Hillary is still leading in delegates from voting in primaries and caucuses. That isn't likely to change any time soon. The math is getting harder and harder for Bernie. At this point Hillary could win about 45% of the rest of the delegates and end up leading the delegate count without super delegates. Bernie's win in Michigan only gained him about 5-6 more delegates than Hillary if we don't count super delegates.

I wonder if you will eventually go with the nominee or if you will whine about how the process wasn't fair. My guess is the latter.

Of course Lash won't go with Hillary if she gets the nomination. She's a conservative who's just donning Democratic clothing to bash what she thinks is the stronger candidate, Hillary, seemingly from the "inside". The National Review is telling people to donate to Sanders' campaign for that reason.

I'm starting to wonder this myself...

I just read the article after you made mention of national review and I am wondering if in fact some of that happened in Michigan last night? After all it was an open primary.

Operation Chaos 2016

It could also be the result of Bernie Sanders bringing up NAFTA, but the article does give food for thought.

Entirely possible. Even one of the announcers on MSNBC seemed to hint a little bit about that, we knew that Hillary was strong with African American voters, but the majority white suburban districts seemed to shift toward Sanders at a higher than expected percentage.

If there were Republicans who changed their registration to independent to vote against Hillary in the primary, that is certainly where they would come from.

I'm starting to wonder this myself [referring to electoral naughtiness of conservatives pushing Sanders forward]

That the GOP and conservative types will engage in this sort of "rat-*******" is a certainty. The difficulty is in trying to discern how much of the activity arises out of such operations. Limbaugh's project (7 years ago) is noted above and I wrote earlier on the PUMA/Clintons4McCain operations at the same period of time.

But I ended up concluding that the threat from such operations is minimal. Have any of us been compelled to change our minds when somebody posts that "I have been a Dem voter all my life but I WILL NOT vote for ______. I will sit this election out rather than vote for her/him"

It's emotionally gratifying for trolls to imagine they are causing significant electoral effects but I don't see their imaginings matching reality. Obama won two elections. Bill Clinton won two elections. And the probability looks very high that Hillary will win this one.

To be more accurate she is 215 delegates ahead of him not counting the super delegates.

Does he mean Burnies lies about all the free stuff he is going to get them has them snowed?

Delegates follow the nominee. The nominee will be Bernie Sanders.

Most independents and non-Dem affiliated Bernie voters, like me, plus the left hand of the former Dem party already vow not to ever vote for Hillary or the other disgusting "lesser of two evils."

The party is over.

That's just according to you, and even you have to admit you really don't know much about anything outside of your playpen. You must know your views on the Democrat party are just your wishful thinking. I think I can understand how much it might suck if you realized not everybody is going to hate Hillary with as much vicious take-no-prisoners, grind her into dust outrageously over the top hatred as you do. But girl, not everybody harbors as much bitterness and anger as you do. I hope you find a better way to blow off steam, because trying to convince others that EVERYBODY will refuse to vote for Hillary and try to pass that along as the truth just makes you look deluded and dishonest.

Nah. You're wrong again. It's not wishful thinking.

http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-supporters/

You're projecting again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-of-the-delegate-race_us_56c4d3a1e4b0c3c550537d37

I agree, except in an open primary you don't have to change your registration, you can vote democrat for the primary and then republican for the general. I doubt that happened too much if any, but it is possible to do that.



Open primary

The part about only voting in one party's section only pertains to that day's voting. Just because you voted democrat in the primary does not mean you have to vote democrat in the general.