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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 12:48 pm
@blatham,
Is this another "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?" Clinton deal?

Someday, people will realize that it does make a difference. It won't be most of the liberals here, but to people that matter it will make a difference.
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 01:19 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Someday, people will realize that it does make a difference.

No doubt about it. Also, the exhumed body of Vince Foster will clearly show Hillary's fingernail slashes across his throat. You guys get this stuff right all the time which, I presume, is a consequence of your high quality information sources.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 01:22 pm
Clinton Ominously Tells Iowan Supporters To Mark Front Doors With Campaign Logo Before Sundown

http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5257/2/16x9/800.jpg

DES MOINES, IA—Declaring that all voting-age citizens who took the measures would be spared, Hillary Clinton ominously instructed her supporters throughout Iowa to mark their front doors with her campaign logo before sundown, sources confirmed Sunday. “All those residing in Iowa take heed: Your home shall bear the mark of my campaign this eve, or may God help you,” said the Democratic candidate after dispatching a phalanx of campaign staffers to all four corners of the state to spread the message of her directive. “Be within your dwellings with the doors closed and locked before nightfall, and do not cross the threshold before the sun rises again in the sky. The emblem of the red-and-blue H will protect my true voters.” At press time, Clinton issued a statement ordering all Iowan supporters who remain on Monday morning to bring forth their progeny between 18 and 34 years of age to the polls.
woiyo
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 01:27 pm
@blatham,
How many "presumed scandals" does it take before a reasonable person sees a pattern?

Time after Time after Time with Clinton and all the left says is "Nothing there".

She can not be trusted.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 01:28 pm
@McGentrix,
She's a crazy woman.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 02:25 pm
This is just so mean
Quote:
Santorum: Cruz Can't Accomplish Anything Because Everybody Hates Him

http://bit.ly/1QCB9fr
parados
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 02:28 pm
@woiyo,
How many times does the right have to claim there is a scandal when there isn't before you see a pattern? The right can't be trusted on what is and isn't a scandal. They have been wrong consistently.
Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 02:29 pm
@woiyo,
Because a great deal of your "serious" scandals, such a Vince Foster and Bill Clinton supposedly killing a whole bunch of people, have turned out to be complete BS put forth by people who "lose it" every time you express doubt.


The reason the right wing is praying for Bernie to get the nomination is that he is a fresh person to smear with phony scandals. The right has been smearing the Clintons since 1992 and all that's happened is that Bill is the most popular politician in America who the public doesn't care if he gives a straight answer when asked about getting some on the side.

Besides, he had a serious heart condition for awhile, most of that side action is in the past now.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 02:32 pm
From Ron Brownstein
Quote:
Like a previously undiscovered earthquake fault, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is threatening to fracture the Republican electoral coalition along new lines. In the process he could disrupt both the demographic and geographic alignments that have defined previous races for the GOP nomination—and scramble the assumptions of his rivals about the coalitions they believed could power them to victory.

In both national surveys, and in polls across the key early states of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, Trump’s support is crossing almost all of the boundaries that have previously shaped Republican races, most prominently along lines of ideology and religious affiliation. He has replaced those old divisions with a new division that centers on education, building an advantage among working-class Republicans large enough to lead in virtually all surveys both nationally and in the critical early states.
http://theatln.tc/1QCC4MK
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 02:42 pm
@parados,
It's funny! They keep shooting blanks thinking something will stick.
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Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 03:32 pm
@blatham,
Santorum: Cruz Can't Accomplish Anything Because Everybody Hates Him

It will really be funny if Santorum comes on strong in Iowa like he did last time and the race comes down to Santorum vs Trump.
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 05:58 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

I will only thank the Republican Congress for good economic performance since 2011 with a Democratic President when I hear a couple of Republicans, when discussing economic performance during the 1980s, say, "Ronnie who? Three cheers for Tip O'Neill !!"

In addition, the much maligned manufacturing sector was in free fall until Obama took office, as this chart illustrates. Please don't try to sneak credit for this to the Republican Congress george, for as you can see, the turnaround happened two years before John Boehner could even sniff Nancy Pelosi's seat as Speaker:


It a common enough but still foolish assumption to believe that the instant a political party takes control of this or that branch of government they become the real "owner " of whatever economic trend emerges. The fact is that the most economic phenomena take time to dfevelop and evolve, and usually the facors behind them are not dominated by the actions of our government.

The decline of American manufacturing began in the 1970s, as a result of the growth of competitors all over the world from Europe to Japan and Korea. The US emerged from WWII with the only intact industrial plant in the world and we easily dominated most industries from steel and metals production to vehicles, aircraftt, industrial and consumer products. The decline that started in the 1970s was at first accelerated by the greater average efficiency of the (necessarily) newer plants in reconstructed Europe and Asia and by the relatively lower cost of labor in both areas. All this was an inevitable result of the reconstruction of other foreign economic structures. It has continued since then aided by higher labor costs here and in some cases looser environmental laws in Asia (China in particular). The recent resurgance of manufacturing in this country is aided by the decline in unionization (judging at least by the states in which most of the new manufacturing is occurring ); rising labor costs among some of our international competitors; and lately by the boom in natural gas and oil production through fracking. Energy and the chemical products derived from petroleum are critical feedstocks for all manufacturing and the US has been far qwuicker to exploit these factors than have many of our competitors.

Domestic political policies do play a part, but compared to those cited above it is minor.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 06:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

How many times does the right have to claim there is a scandal when there isn't before you see a pattern? The right can't be trusted on what is and isn't a scandal. They have been wrong consistently.


Who is "the right"? Don't you think you are over generalizing this rather sweeping staterment, just a little bit? Compared to the tiny nits you so frequently pick in the statements of others, this is a bit over the top.

As far as patterns go there is indeed an undeniable pattern of convenient distortions of the truth in the political history of the Clintons, from Arkansas to the White House and beyond, at least in comparision to other national politicians. They are clearly somewhere between merely pickaresque and truly corrupt.
blatham
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 07:17 pm
quality journalism
Quote:
Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 7m7 minutes ago
Actual chyron: FOX NEWS PROJECTS MARTIN O’MALLEY TO FINISH THIRD IN DEM CAUCUS
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 07:19 pm
Earlier, we talked a bit about the "election industry". Ari Melber reports (twitter) that in the third quarter, 78% of Ben Carson's spending was on fundraising.
Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 07:48 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
They [the Clintons] are clearly somewhere between merely pickaresque and truly corrupt.


Uh-huh. How are those investigations into Hillary killing Vince Foster and Bill having 30 inconvenient people in his past killed coming?
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Blickers
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:00 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
The fact is that the most economic phenomena take time to dfevelop and evolve, and usually the facors behind them are not dominated by the actions of our government.

Translation: Republican Herbert Hoover is REALLY the guy we owe for getting us out of the Great Depression.

Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
The recent resurgance of manufacturing in this country is aided by the decline in unionization (judging at least by the states in which most of the new manufacturing is occurring ); rising labor costs among some of our international competitors; and lately by the boom in natural gas and oil production through fracking.........
.....Domestic political policies do play a part, but compared to those cited above it is minor.


Maybe not so minor. For manufacturing to flourish there first has to be some people working for the manufacturers to sell the product to. Observe how the growth in manufacturing almost exactly mirrors the decline in first time initial unemployment claims:

Growth in manufacturing:
http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-gdp-from-manufacturing.png?s=unitedstagdpfroman&v=201601302305m&d1=20060101&d2=20161231


Initial Unemployment claims:
http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-jobless-claims.png?s=ijcusa&v=201602012329m&d1=20060101&d2=20161231

It's amazing how much more stuff gets manufactured when people stop losing their jobs and can buy things. Very Happy
georgeob1
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:10 pm
@blatham,
Well I don't know Art, but little would surprise me in this area from any of the candidates. Does Trump really pay the whole costs of his camaign out of his pocket ? I don't have any particular knoweledge, but I doubt it. Have Corporations, Law Firms and Unions fudged a bit on their observance of contribution limits to all the candidates ? It's a fairly safe bet. Has the Clinton Foundation paid the salaries of some of Hillary's political functionaries ? That's a matter of record.
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:14 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
The recent resurgance of manufacturing in this country is aided by the decline in unionization (judging at least by the states in which most of the new manufacturing is occurring ); rising labor costs among some of our international competitors; and lately by the boom in natural gas and oil production through fracking.........
.....Domestic political policies do play a part, but compared to those cited above it is minor.


Maybe not so minor. For manufacturing to flourish there first has to be some people working for the manufacturers to sell the product to. Observe how the growth in manufacturing almost exactly mirrors the decline in first time initial unemployment claims:



I think you are more than a little confused here. Unemployment claims are a CONSEQUENCE of the decline in manufacturing jobs; not a CAUSE of it.
Setanta
 
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Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:17 pm
Clinton is unlikely to give up her candidacy right away. Although it's not by much, she's ahead in Iowa, so far.
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