When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Don't worry guys, someone is bound to come out and endorse Hillary. Right? I mean someday...

She's fine. I already endorsed her.

By the by, earlier I posted polling on how she's doing. You probably better not look at that if you're feeling mellow. And I hope you are.

Curious coincidence. Georgob came close to suggesting McCarthy was reborn as Bernie Latham. And I do support Trump as the nominee for the GOP in 2016.

But wait! There's more!

I'm currently working night and day on a promo campaign for him. Camera opens on his face, slightly distant, and slowly moves to a close-up (head and shoulders, like a Greek bust). He's smiling. "Donald" fades in below his head. Huge letters. Then there's a slow, smooth morph of face and letters to Reagan and "Ronald". Morph back to Trump's face and "Donald". Then back again to Reagan/"Ronald" then back again - Trump/"Donald". Faster and faster, back and forth. Then suddenly stopping on Trump/"Ronald". He
winks and gives a huge thumbs up.

But that's not all!
I've got an activist, GOTV strategy in place as well.

Marla Maples, in an ornate bedroom, slips off the bed, glass of wine in her hand, sultry smile and sultry walk towards the camera.
"I'm going to Hump for Trump. Want to join us?"

We're rotten, aren't we? Just rotten.

Trump decides to skip the next debate with Fox News. http://politi.co/1S9OVcQ
I presume Trump is in "leave well enough alone" mode. But hard to know for sure with that dude. As the piece I've linked implies, it keeps him square in the spotlight. And he is masterful at that.

As I've said before, whatever the hell is in Ailes' mind is not easy to discern at this point. Once the candidate is settled, Fox will be all in, as they always are. But right now, this is all a serious problem for Ailes because he wants, desperately, GOP electoral gains. That's his thing. He's buggered the same way everyone is buggered in GOP bigwig land. The difference is that Ailes' Fox really does have unique influence.

It's a bit of a weird thing as at the beginning of all this Ailes was pro-Trump, while Murdoch was against him. The Koch brothers are on record as being willing to concede this election to any candidate of any party as they didn't care for any of the Republican candidates on offer. Weird weird cycle.

Indeed. A recent medical scan reveals rot to my very core. The only thing that was surprising in that result was that my core appears quite clearly to be located in my bum. But I'm the way god made me.

Everybody has been all over the place. And that confusion is not lessening, it's just getting screechy now. The Koch boys will continue their programs at the state level which have been very successful (they play the long game, as you know).

I've never seen anything like this cycle. But the extremity of it provides a really interesting and revealing look into the modern conservative world. There will be a LOT of books written on this.

I want to know who the Republican descendents of the Koch brothers will be. I'm all about next gen stuff.

Do you mean their ideological/organizational descendents?

that ... and financial

lotsa lotsa candidates for their ideological descendents but who's got the $$$ to make things happen?

Forgive me for posting this on a couple of threads. I want to maximize the amount of feedback I get.

This has turned into a fierce battle going on between Bernie and Hillary. Nothing that has been said or done changes my plan to vote Bernie in the NC primary,and then vote for whoever the Dem candidate is in the general.

But something has been jumping out at me lately, and I would like to get some feedback.

Early on in this election cycle, I got into an exchange with an avowed Bernie follower, and it went something like this:
She - "Blacks need Bernie more than Bernie needs them". Me - " I don't think he really believes that, and if you do, you're in for a rude awakening if he isn't able to get a lot more black voters." That exchange was very instructive for me about the thinking of the true Bernie believer.

See, I think a lot of the scorched earth, die-hard Bernie believers have a bit of wrongheadedness about who they're fighting against, and how they're fighting them. The endless smears of Hillary are one thing, but the
superior attitude and dismissiveness toward Hillary supporters and even people who just aren't quite "feeling the bern" is just...
well, wrongheaded.

Tell me if I'm wrong about this - Just like Bernie is going to need to capture a hell of a lot more of the black vote to succeed, he is going to need the Hillary voters to lay down their arms and join his camp, in order for him to win a general election.

When the Bernie followers are calling people lazy and dumb for not getting on the Bernie train, do they realize that if Bernie beats Hillary they're going to be needing those Hillary voters?

Do they ever give a thought about possibly alienating precisely the people who might make or break Bernie's chances against Cruz or Trump?

I'm really worried that for Bernie followers, the potential chance to be able to thumb their noses and say "I told you so" after a Bernie win as Dem nominee outweighs everything, and that clouds their judgement about what's important.
I have asked several times if they care that they might doom the country to 4 or 8 years of hell on earth under a crazy-ass conservative if they refuse to support Hillary... but I've gotten no definitive response, so I'll ask another one:

Do Bernie supporters who say they will not vote for Clinton under any circumstances know that Bernie cannot win the general unless a
substantial amount of Hillary supporters swallow their pride and vote for Bernie?

Ailes, ah, he had a spat with a friend of ours. Well, that's a leap, a friend of a friend of ours, who, when we went to Washington DC for vacation, took us for lunch in Georgetown and stayed and talked with us for hours.
Our friend won the spat, as I saw it.

Quote geporgeob1:


By your own admission, that came in only in the last couple of years. And it is hardly important in the general scheme of of the Social Security-Medicare program, since very few people on those programs make anywhere near $250K yearly. Yet you want to use recent anomaly to justify a complete overhaul of the Social Security & Medicare system, transforming them from retirement systems the beneficiary pays into for a long time during his working years and is certain to receive the benefits upon retirement into a welfare system that the worker pays into during his working years but then won't get any benefits from unless he's broke.

This "means testing" essentially means the destruction of Social Security and Medicare as they have existed through almost everyone's lifetime. All the Republicans are for this, and none of the Democrats. It is vital to preserve Social Security and Medicare in approximately their present form, and anyone who looks forward to receiving the same Social Security and Medicare benefits must consider which candidate wants "means testing" and vote accordingly.

I want to get back after I organize my thoughts. What I can say right now, is that people lose their minds before every presidential election and say stupid things. It reminds me of high school football fans, or college basketball fans, people painting their faces, wearing stupid gear and stealing each other's mascots.

I am not saying it's harmless, because I really don't think it is. We need to elect people who can actually perform. It's not professional wrestling. But I really need to hammer out a few lines that are coherent, because all I can offer is a viewpoint, and the points you bring up should be discussed.

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter with a few whim whams but like you, I plan to vote for him in the primary, and for Hillary if she nabs it. I agree with you about scorched earth policy. I like the people who post that way, very strongly disagree with them.

It's possible I could reconsider for tactical reasons and vote for Hillary in the primary, but Bernie Sanders does represent me to a fair extent and deserves my vote. I'm watching and listening.

Quote snood:


That's because a lot of the Bernie followers you run into on social media are actually Republicans who are following the script of supporting Bernie on the internet because the Republicans perceive him presently as the weaker of the two choices. Somebody even posted a National Review article advising conservatives to push Bernie as much as possible, even send a contribution. Many Republicans listen to the right wing media and become convinced that anyone who doesn't see things their way is retarded, and it even carries over to when they are pretending to support someone they don't actually support.

That's probably what happened to you and that "Bernie supporter".

Not sure what I can add in aid of your questions, snood. I haven't bumped into many (if any) Bernie supporters voicing such extremities. But I doubt they'll not have a lot of company, particularly if Hillary wins (very likely) and then Bernie concedes graciously and advises his supporters to reorient to support of Hillary.

Have to say though that I suspect some portion of voices such as you describe are GOP trolls. They've done this before - Limbaughs rock the vote, and the PUMa/Clintons4McCain thing.

Then and now, I believe my statement is accurate.

Looking at the complete lack of integrity of all candidates other than Bernie - evaluating what each has proven they'll do about real institutional racial inequality - I believe more strongly now than when we had this conversation that black Americans stand to lose so much more than that old Jewish man will if he's not elected.

He is leading the fight to finally dismantle institutional racism. Every one of the other candidates, primarily Clinton, seeks to protect the status quo while Clinton profits from it.

I realize Bernie likely won't be elected without former Hillary supporters. Bernie deserves their votes. I hope they make that choice.

Hillary Clinton does not deserve my vote, and will never have it.

Tossing this in. Sherman wrote the recent bio on Ailes.

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Trump source says Trump isn't taking Ailes calls. Hannity just tried calling trump as an emissary. Trump only wants to deal with Murdoch now