When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@Lash,

What happened?

@roger,

roger wrote:

What happened?

As usual, nothing quite as ominous as those desperate to smear Clinton try to make it sound.

The State Department has for months been releasing the Clinton emails, which were generated during her tenure as secretary of State ending in 2013 but have garnered interest since the revelation of her private email server.

A judge ruled earlier this year that the department must release a batch of Clinton emails every month, starting at the end of June.

Thursday's release of 5,500 pages of documents, which came Dec. 31, is the penultimate batch of Clinton emails. The last one is expected at the end of January.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264543-trump-slams-new-years-eve-dump-of-clinton-emails

I'm sure they'll huff and puff, but there doesn't appear to be any news here. More of the emails have been marked as classified. The first 300 emails released back in the Summer were the ones dealing with Benghazi - seems to me if there had been something to stick on her, it would have been in those.

This is just one more attempt to throw anything they think might give an appearance of something - anything - awry against the wall and see if it sticks and hinders Clinton.

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@snood,

They are persistent! They already tried 61 times to repeal Obamacare, and I'm sure they're going to keep trying.
They just love to waste government money by useless legislation that has no chance of ever passing.
They have nothing better to do for our country.

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@Lash,

E-mails Schmee-mails.....

Gallup: Clinton most admired woman in the US for 20th year
By Mark Hensch[/color]

http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/clintonhillary12032015getty.jpg?itok=xF5uw3BI

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and President Obama are again the woman and man Americans most admire worldwide, according to an annual Gallup survey.

GOP front-runner Donald Trump ties with Pope Francis for second-most admired man.

About 13 percent say the former secretary of State is the most admirable woman living anywhere in the world today, according to the poll released Monday.

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Nobel Prize winner Malala Yousafzai ranks second, with 5 percent, and talk show host Oprah Winfrey ties for third with first lady Michelle Obama, at 4 percent.

GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, British Queen Elizabeth II and German Chancellor Angela Merkel all ranked fourth, each with 2 percent. No other female luminary registers above 1 percent.

Monday's results mark the 20th time Clinton has ranked at the top of Gallup's list since 1993, the polling firm said.

Former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt trails Clinton, with 13 wins in that category, and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has six victories.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264292-poll-clinton-is-americas-most-admired-woman

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@georgob1
Here's a sentence portion from your second post on this thread...

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[Hillary's] former inevitability and invincability appear to be eroding very fast. I believe that is an observable fact.

That's a very odd claim (particularly given the thread's thesis - she will give up her candidacy and it's just a matter of time). What was the "observable fact"?

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@blatham,

According to D Trump, Obama and Hillary Clinton created ISIS. Amazing what this ignorant loud mouth gets away with amongst republicans. Are they too afraid to correct those lies? Do they have any ethics?

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@cicerone imposter,

I suppose it depends very much on which Republicans we might talk about.

For those who like the man's politics (we'll use that word though it is as inappropriate here as it might be in using it to describe what emerges from leaders at a lynching), many/most are just so effectively misinformed and under-educated that there's no ethics violations nor fearfulness in correcting what he says. They think he's right.

For the many Republicans who have a reasonable education and who are much better informed, lots have actually spoken out to try and curb this idiot. But not nearly enough of them and not nearly loud enough. Fearfulness and lack of integrity apply here. As many have observed, senior Republicans and strategists created this beast that is now devouring them.

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@blatham,

There's an article in this mornings newspaper about what Trump said about banning Muslims from entering the US that has become a recruiting tool for ISIS. This loud mouth doesn't understand how dangerous he is; his wealth gives him a platform, but he's too ignorant to understand international politics - or even national politics. This is the guy who wants to build a wall between the US and Mexico, and he isn't challenged.
He gets too much media coverage. He should be exposed as an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

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@blatham,

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As many have observed, senior Republicans and strategists created this beast that is now devouring them.

Unfortunately, not just republicans, but the beast is devouring the US and we are just watching it happen and making comments. Hopefully, a new age will come around before we are completely devoured.

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@revelette2,

From USA Today:
Column: Trump exploits rational political ignorance
Ilya Somin 10:34 a.m. EDT October 5, 2015
Voters generally don't pay close attention to the details. Even when Trump is gone politicians will still be exploiting that fact.

Despite some recent stumbles in his campaign, the most dramatic development of the 2016 presidential race has been the meteoric ascent of Donald Trump to the status of front-runner for the Republican nomination. Trump’s rise is a particularly blatant example of a much deeper problem at the heart of modern democracy: widespread voter ignorance.

Trump’s success so far is in large part the result of an almost perfect storm of political ignorance. As a longtime celebrity, he had a built-in advantage with voters who don’t know much about politics, and therefore know little about more conventional politicians. With them, the name recognition that comes from being an entertainment celebrity is crucial.

Polls also consistently show that Trump’s support comes disproportionately from those with relatively low levels of education. For instance, a recent ABC/Washington Post survey found that 40% of Republican-leaning voters without college degrees support Trump, compared with only 19% of college graduates. Low education correlates with support for Trump far more than political ideology, or any other demographic variable. Education and political knowledge are not the same thing. Many college graduates know very little about politics, and some who lack college degrees know a lot. Nonetheless, the two are highly correlated.

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@cicerone imposter,

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There's an article in this mornings newspaper about what Trump said about banning Muslims from entering the US that has become a recruiting tool for ISIS.

His response was classic - "What am I supposed to do. I have to say what I have to say"

As I've said, the man's brand is actually his ego.

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@revelette2,

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we are just watching it happen and making comments

There's a lot of truth in that conclusion, obviously. The US is, to a depressing degree, an oligarchy where wealth disparities at the present level permit a small sliver of the population to run the show. But still, things could be very much worse. There is a lot these fellows who hold such power cannot do because of institutional facts and because of that small portion of democracy that is still in place.

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Here's an anecdote for you guys. A bit less than a year ago when I was down in Texas, I was waiting in a doctor's office for my wife who was seeing the doctor. There was fellow in there with me, about 60, not in good health. He wanted to talk. I told him I was from Canada. He said, "Here in the US, it is now illegal to criticize Obama" I played dumb, saying I hadn't known that. I asked him what news source he watched on TV. He said, "Fox".

I didn't feel like climbing a mountain of stupid that high so went for a stroll instead.

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@blatham,

It shows how ignorant people can be. I'm sure it's just not an America thing.

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@cicerone imposter,

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I'm sure it's just not an America thing.

Definitely not unique to the US (though it's easy enough to point to areas wher the US is unique - ie guns) Still, because of the US hegemonic position in the world, a badly misinformed citizenry is more dangerous.

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@blatham,

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/the-latest-sanders-says-enough-with-bill-clintons-sex-life/12857575

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The latest developments in the 2016 presidential campaign (all times EST):

12:45 p.m.

Bernie Sanders generally passes up opportunities to take a dig at Democratic presidential rival Hillary Clinton. And he preaches the virtues of an issue-driven campaign. But Donald Trump clearly gets under his skin.

Sanders says time after time, the Republican front-runner "just comes up with things off the top of his head — that are lies."

And now the Vermont senator says Trump should stop talking about Bill Clinton's sexual history and start worrying about climate change, the minimum wage and tax breaks for rich people like Trump himself.

Trump says he brought up the subject because Hillary Clinton accused him of demeaning women. He accuses Bill Clinton of mistreating women and says his wife would "go along" with that. Sanders spoke Sunday on ABC's "This Week." Trump addressed the matter on "Fox & Friends."

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@ehBeth,

I love Bernie. I'm really pleased he decided to run (just as I'm really delighted that Elizabeth Warren continues to speak as she does).

And Trump as sexist? What is sexist about him saying that hearing Hillary's name makes his colon clench up? Or that Fiorina has an ugly face? Heck, I'm sure that any producer presently thinking about a redo of Camelot would have Trump as first pick to play Lancelot.

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@ehBeth,

Trump's challenge about one individual proves he's not ready to attack problems for Americans. Besides his "I'm going to build a wall between the US and Mexico," his bluster has nothing relevant to today's important issues and problems.
He disqualified himself from public office when he claimed he would ban all Muslims from entering the US. He has no grasp of America or the US Constitution.

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@roger,

She may have made a deadly boo boo.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/did-hillary-clinton-diss-iowa-caucuses-private-email-n472251

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Earlier here, we discussed the positive and negative aspects of "incrementalism" as a means to achieving progressive (or conservative) political goals.

This morning, Paul Krugman has an excellent column on this precise question with data that quantifies what Obama has actually achieved via an incremental approach during his presidency. I hope you folks read it.
http://nyti.ms/1Rb52GC

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