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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 06:04 pm
Here's another piece by Michelle Goldberg at Slate...

"Why Bill’s Past Could Still Hurt Hillary
The right hopes to turn the feminist consensus on rape against the Clintons."
http://slate.me/1TqAMF1

As I said earlier, this was all entirely predictable. It is how the right and its media institutions have been playing the game since (at least) when Bill Clinton took office. And there is sooooo much money to be made in the new world of rightwing media. These dudes and dudettes get really, really rich playing Americans of a certain sort for suckers. Three years ago, Glenn Beck made 80 million bucks in that single years. Limbaugh slightly less. Hannity 40 million. Etc etc etc.
Lash
 
  1  
Wed 30 Dec, 2015 06:08 pm
@blatham,
Dude, you said:

"You find such allegations credible even after what i've noted above."

So, yeah.

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blatham
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 06:14 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I really like those ponderous and pretentious analytical affectations like... "embraced the narrative that..... "

I recall a similar complaint directed to William Buckley from one of his fans (on his Firing Line tv show, "Why do you have to use such big words?"

Re Trump, he is gifted with an intuitive talent for reading the mood of those he needs now to influence. But he's preceded in this by the world of right wing talk radio, Drudge, etc even if he is particularly adept.

But that in itself has no meaning/value or overall electoral significance. We've seen lots of charismatic voices emerge in the past which have led followers to disaster. You've argued before that Trump's supporters are not very identifiable or categorizable but as I said, there's lots of polling on this easily discoverable with a google search.

But I will grant him an increased chance of winning if he nominates Paris Hilton or a Kardashian for VP.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 30 Dec, 2015 06:18 pm
I wonder if Bill & his mess would be back in the news if the Clinton campaign hadn't announced Monday that Bill is joining her on the campaign trail soon...
georgeob1
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 06:21 pm
@blatham,
My impression is that most of the liberal media is also fairly profitable. Do you thing they have not also been "playing an analogous game? Are there no suckers on the left?

The title itself is telling

"Why Bill’s Past Could Still Hurt Hillary
The right hopes to turn the feminist consensus on rape against the Clintons."

Isn't Hillary trying to "turn the femininst consensus on rape" against all Republicans in her "War on Women" rhetoric????

It appears to me thare are a few suckers among the readership of Slate.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:05 pm
@Lash,
For goodness sake, lash. Read the damned links I provided.
Lash
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:22 pm
@blatham,
I know you're incredibly important, but I don't think I'll take orders.

Just because your article has a theory doesn't mean mankind can rest their questions.

I think you overstepped.
beva
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:27 pm
Quote:
Steyn: Why Celebrate Bill Clinton and Charge Bill Cosby?


Good question.

Quote:

“I mean that as a seriously question incidentally,” Steyn said. “Why is Bill Cosby finished? He was the most beloved guy. We keep hearing Bill Clinton is the most beloved guy in America. ‘If Bill Clinton was on the ticket, he’d sweep all 50 states. It would be a landslide. Americans love Bill Clinton.’ They loved Bill Cosby – nice grandfatherly Bill Cosby. But somehow, for whatever reason – you don’t see ‘The Bill Cosby Show’ on TV anymore. You don’t see it on the rerun channels. He is not appearing anywhere.”

“You’d almost think it’s some kind of like racism thing,” he continued. “That somehow, when a bunch of women make accusations against the black guy – boom, he’s vaporized. When a bunch of women make accusations against some white southern redneck — we're talking about putting him back in the White House for another eight years as first gentleman.”


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/steyn-why-celebrate-bill-clinton-and-charge-bill-cosby
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blatham
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:34 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
My impression is that most of the liberal media is also fairly profitable.

It isn't. Unless you wish to define all media other than dedicatedly rightwing media as "left" or "liberal". Large corporate entities such as the major networks provide outrageous salaries (I believe Chris Matthews makes about 6 million a year) which is, in my view, just vulgar. And it has the negative effect of keeping such individuals within a range of acceptable opinion and discourse. It fosters maintenance of the status quo, by which I mean, existing power structures. That's not all bad but it certainly can be. And there's another key point here as well. That is the use of media platforms (Beck and Limbaugh are perfect examples) to make shitloads of moola by selling gold or biblically-based cures for diabetes (Huckabee). Historian Rick Perlstein has reported on this aspect of rightwing media that goes back a long ways. If you wish, I'll provide the link, but I suspect you won't want it.

Quote:
Isn't Hillary trying to "turn the femininst consensus on rape" against all Republicans in her "War on Women" rhetoric????

No. The phrase and attending notions re 'war on women' is a reflection of our cultural reassessment of women's place, of the long-standing prejudices against that gender as regards what they are paid or are capable of or of whether they are equally as deserving of positions of power as males have enjoyed. It is the greatest commonplace to see some committee addressing women's issues where the committee members are all men, or mostly men. And, of course, there's the issue of abortion, but that's a small portion of this long history of our culture (and others) refusing to grant women equality.

You may wish to argue that "liberals" suppress women to the same degree that we see in the universe of conservative action. But to get to such a conclusion, one has to blind oneself to almost everything we can see in the world. Southern Baptists or the Catholic church or ISIS do not manifest ideologies and hierarchies similar to, say, Sweden or Denmark or Canada or the United Church as regards women.

For Hillary to speak about a 'war on women' or to merely address broad inequalities of gender in the world is for her to do what civil rights spokespeople did. This is simply our long and worthy attempt to address and remedy social situations, structures and traditions that hurt just some of us. It is a drive or goal or value set that emerges from the best of what we as humans are and try to be.
blatham
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:42 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
@blatham,
I know you're incredibly important,.


I'm not important. Information and learning are important. We can engage in social media like this to merely list off our opinions again and again or we can use a place like a2k to bring in information, to read it over and think about it. To learn and broaden our notions.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:44 pm
@georgeob1,
One fact about Trump, he attracts the older, white, uneducated. I'm sure there are links to support this fact.
Trump: "Build a wall between the US and Mexico." "Ban all Muslims from entering the US." And his sexist statements about women and Hillary.
He's not qualified to be a politician in the US, because he doesn't understand the US Constitution.
beva
 
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Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:45 pm
http://www.steynonline.com/pics/large/1670.jpg

Quote:
But now it's assumed Hillary Clinton would want to be as far away from Cosby as possible. Even before he was charged with aggravated indecent assault Wednesday, many prominent celebrities and institutions have ended relationships with the comedian as more and more women have come forward to accuse him of drugging and assaulting them.

Unlike Cosby, Bill Clinton's most well-known extramarital activities were consensual.

Yeah, right. Tell that to Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones, and Kathleen Willey...


http://www.steynonline.com/7394/predators-for-hillary
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 30 Dec, 2015 07:47 pm
@georgeob1,
One fact about Trump, he attracts the older, white, uneducated. I'm sure there are links to support this fact.
Trump: "Build a wall between the US and Mexico." "Ban all Muslims from entering the US." And his sexist statements about women and Hillary.
He's not qualified to be a politician in the US, because he doesn't understand the US Constitution.
Check out www.realclearpolitics.com on Trump.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:20 pm
@Lash,
When stated as a fact that you hate the Clintons it isent a personal attack. The fact you take it as such says more about your attitude than mine.
RABEL222
 
  3  
Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
, he attracts the older, white, uneducated.


Wait a minute CI. I am old white and uneducated and I dont think Trump would be a good president.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:35 pm
@RABEL222,
You are unable to make a reasonable counter argument to my assertions about Hillary.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 31 Dec, 2015 10:40 pm
@RABEL222,
Trump supporters are..... By your own admission, you're not a supporter.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 1 Jan, 2016 07:04 am
By the by, here's a heck of an interesting chart...
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56842a4a1f0000c000e9cb89.png
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blatham
 
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Fri 1 Jan, 2016 07:09 am
Also of interest, Steve Benen (one of my favorite political witers/analysts) lists what he got wrong this last year...
http://on.msnbc.com/1YTkWK0
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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 1 Jan, 2016 09:24 pm
No one has mentioned the New Year's Eve email dump.

Information trickling out.

More tomorrow. 😛
 

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