When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

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To which I would add that it is trivial, trashy, and didn't work twenty years ago. But by all means, I hope they feel free to give it another try this time. Bill Clinton emerged from this as the most popular politician of his generation, this will serve to push more people into the Clinton camp.

I'm not blaming her for anything; however, if she's claiming Bill's successes, she opens herself to his entire presidential history. Like her or not, that's fair.

More specifically about Bill Clinton's sexploits, it is alleged that some of his trysts were forced. It is further alleged that Hillary was instrumental in the "bimbo eruption war room" deliberations that resulted in the smears of the women who had the nerve to speak out against their rapist.

So, any woman who stands on a platform of supporting women with this in her history is in a world of trouble. Watching recent legal action against Cosby must give the Clintons pause.

I have suspicions about the depth of Bill's dalliances, as most non-partisans do, but I am waiting to see and hear what happens, not forgetting the Clintons can make people and complaints go away.

My ilk: women who don't support rape. A lot of Millennials aren't so sucked into partisan politics that they will excuse it like you do.

Good lord Lash. It's quite a stretch to say that Hillary supports rape or that anyone who thinks this a bogus line of attack is condoning rape.

Doesn't matter-it IS a line of attack, and long ago conservatives adopted the strategy of throwing 100 accusations at the wall and figuring some of them will stick. Witness Lash's last few posts.

Do you want to know if Bill Clinton forced himself on any of the six or seven women who said he did? Do you want to know if Hillary Clinton knew this and directed the defense to ruin those women in the media to protect his career?

Sometimes I think some Democrats really don't care about guilt or innocence re to this issue. That bothers me.

I used to respect you so much even though you supported Bush and the Iraq war, I still respected your opinions as being intelligent and at least being sincere. No longer.

The rape allegations have had over twenty years to gain legitimacy. It is an unfortunate facts that not all rape allegations are true. Personally I can think of nothing worse than people using the rape card as a tool in politics. It is cheap and easy and impossible to disprove unless people come forth and admit they made it up, which is highly unlikely. I doubt you speak for "millennials." I also doubt Sanders will sink as low as you and Trump who you have more in common with.

I don't know what to say to you Lash, I really don't. This is really out there.

I can't help but laugh. How is it "out there"?

It's not like I made it up. I'm not even saying I know what happened. My crime here is outlining what is happening regarding the Clinton/trump news cycle, and what I suspect the Clinton campaign will face. Who will be considered "out there" when it begins to happen?

It seems that only an unwavering defense of Bill clinton is tolerated among the Hillary partisans.

In an attempt to keep us focused on what we've actually said: I didn't say Hillary supported rape. Revelette attached me to an "ilk," and I clarified the ilk I belong to.

This issue is a reason I am against them, not a symptom.

Either you want to know the truth about what happened, or you don't. I'm only newly and sadly convinced many people simply don't care if this guy is a serial rapist who is above the law.

I know I was personally sad to find out about Cosby.

I wonder if there's a statute of limitations on the crime of getting strange and lying about it? After all it is SUCH a rare crime.

I don't think "only" Hillary supporters defend Bill. I think merely enough time has passed that few people outside of those who want ammunition to use against her give a rat's ass. A guy screwed around. He got caught. He lied. He got caught lying. YEARS later , the couple have worked things out and gone on. I'm pretty sure nothing else matters.

From your keyboard to Cosby jury's ears...

You trying to make a link between Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton does not make a link other than their names. But have fun doing it.

Clinton = Cosby. Worst analogy I'm likely to bump into today. The only folks that would buy that one would be the Catherine McKinnon/Andrea Dworkin sliver of the feminist movement ("All sex is equal to rape" - if that sliver still exists) or the silliest edges of right wing media. Or, of course, those political agents who will try anything, no matter how dishonest, to hopefully gain some electoral advantage.

Both Clinton's remain well-respected overall. This predictable line of attack will satisfy the rightwing base's hunger for this sort of stuff but it has the disadvantage for the right of making Hillary look an even more sympathetic female running for office. With their existing huge disadvantage with female voters, it's pretty stupid. Again. But go for it if you want.

Trump is now having to answer his apparent contradictions of what he said in 2008 to what he is saying now.


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So he is a guy who says whatever it is most expedient for him to say at any given time and Lash and followers are just following him along like sheep.

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Quote blatham:


The article in question, which was basically 15 reasons why somebody didn't like Clinton's presidency, deserved the "stupid" label when the reader hits reason #8, where the author complained about Clinton getting involved in the awful war in Bosnia followed by several of the former Iron Curtain countries joining the EU and NATO. Before Clinton decided to prod NATO into doing something, there was blood running in the streets in the same area which touched off World War One, and this place is in Europe, which is supposed to an advanced place. Ethnic cleansing was taking place, and paramilitaries were going from town to town slaughtering people. After Clinton and NATO got in, the bloodletting soon came to a close and the Dayton Accords finalized a solution that is still holding up. No American losses in the process. The author of the article, (and Lash), apparently objects to this.

Further, the former Iron Curtain countries were definitely under pressure to be put into some kind of Russian economic orbit after they finally able to wrest free of USSR /Russian domination in 1991. Entering into an economic/political orbit with Russia would be a disaster for them since Russia has never in its history ever been able to achieve a good standard of living for its people. By accepting these countries' application to the EU, the West opened up prosperity for these nations they had never known, and by accepting their application to NATO, these countries are now safe from Russia trying to take them back militarily.

Take a look at the GDP of the Czech Republic since 1991, when they broke free of USSR / Russian domination:


The chart starts at 1996, but you can see GDP was not rising before 200o or so.

It took them a little while to get moving once they shook free of the USSR / Russia, but they soon started recovering and really picked up steam after 2004, when they joined the EU. Growth flattened after the 2008 crash but it's picking up again, and overall the Czechs are WAY ahead of where they were when they were in the Russian orbit.

The author of the article that Edgar and Lash endorsed thinks this is a BAD thing, that the US and the West should have let the factions in the former Yugoslavia cut each other's throats with impunity and we should have let Russia make its play to re-absorb the Iron Curtain countries instead of offering them membership in the prosperous EU and NATO. There are over 100 Million people in those countries, and the articles' author thought we should have abandoned them for fear of Russia getting upset about it.

And he thinks Clinton blundered here, did a bad thing. It makes about as much sense as blaming Lincoln for forcefully proclaiming Emancipation Proclamation, instead of treating the Confederate states nicely and hoping they will evolve an anti-slavery stance on their own someday.

That is why I labelled this a "stupid" article.

Maybe he can use that talent as president to do something that actually benefits this country.

Gee, you were involved with Bill and Hillary? Who would have thought it. Of course if you werent personally involved its none of your business.