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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Miller
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 08:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Ask the folks, who attended the Boston Marathon and had their arms , legs, etc blown off by the two terrorists . Then coast out to California and ask the folks, who were attending a Christmas party and were shot at and injured, while many, many others were killed ( at least 14).

And so on...then you may ask the folks in Paris, who were out-on-the town one weekend, when terrorists decided to bomb away the lives of the innocents away.

Consider 9/11 and if you recall, then remember ABUZZ( NY and Boston) reporting when the planes flew into the Twin Towers, Pentagon..etc...

All of the above innocent folks surely didn't calculate the probablity of either their deaths or their various injuries on their specific days of anguish.

The Angel of Death is never far away, especially these days, and her flight never follows the laws of probablity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 08:58 pm
@Miller,
That's past history. I'm interested in the future.
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I've bleated (posted) on a2k countless times that I went to a major university free, completely. I lived near by, which many in Los Angeles did, and you were accepted, then, I take it, if you worked out re grade point average in high school. (I don't know all the intricacies of that, just that I was lucky getting accepted, this was 1960.) I think the year I entered, fees were around $19.00 and when I graduated, the fees for the year were $76.00, money numbers being lower then, but that is still really low.

Books, on the other hand - were a giant money deal, part of my working + 30 hrs a week at different places, and the bus rides in between took forever including the transfers.
We weren't cheapskates; my parents were in big trouble.

Sanders gets that.


cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:29 pm
@ossobuco,
I worked through college, except my wife funded my last semester. That's when I really enjoyed college, and participated in student activities.
ossobuco
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I never participated in student activities, except some study time with people who were friends. I was too busy catching buses to my jobs (you weren't supposed to work; I never had counseling, somewhat on purpose).

I did follow the Bruins in basketball, let's call that prime time, the years of Wooden as coach. Never got to a game. Did see Rafer Johnson on campus once, but he had graduated by then, was there in roll of support to the place.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 10:13 pm
@ossobuco,
I believe study time with other students were more productive than just reading books. My verbals were good, but never could master paper tests. I taught other students subjects they were having problems with (such as macro-economics), and they ended up with better grades.
edgarblythe
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 10:20 pm
Hillary Clinton Is Whitewashing the Financial Catastrophe
She has a plan that she claims will reform Wall Street—but she’s deflecting responsibility from old friends and donors in the industry.
By William Greider
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-is-whitewashing-the-financial-catastrophe/
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 10:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
Just reinforces the fact that she can't be trusted.
roger
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 11:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm simply flabbergasted by the people I see myself agreeing with, lately.
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 16 Dec, 2015 11:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That was back when we could eat burgers in the med library, all good.
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ossobuco
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 12:20 am
On disliking Hillary Clinton, I was an early dem saying that, starting a topic, but also saying I would vote for her if it comes to that, and that is in large part re the supremes, who scare me re changes.

On Hillary herself, in truth I've no idea.
I do get changing opinions and often take it as a good thing we sometimes do.
It's the manipulation thing that gets me. I was early against that as a form, at what age I'm not sure, probably just after the nuns wanting me to be one when I was seventeen, probably before I ever heard of Machiavelli.
Using, and so on, is the way of the world, but it still smells.

On the other hand, I'm not clear all of the years of endeavor by her have been a manipulation shower. I'm thinking she may be both.






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ossobuco
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 12:24 am
On disliking Hillary Clinton, I was an early dem saying that, starting a topic, but also saying I would vote for her if it comes to that, and that is in large part re the supremes, who scare me re changes.

On Hillary herself, in truth I've no idea.
I do get changing opinions and often take it as a good thing we sometimes do.
It's the manipulation thing that gets me. I was early against that as a form, at what age I'm not sure, probably just after the nuns wanting me to be one when I was seventeen, telling me they knew I had a vocation, probably before I ever heard of Machiavelli.
Using, and so on, is the way of the world, but it still smells. Or, maybe the nuns meant it.

On the other hand, I'm not clear all of the years of endeavor by her have been a manipulation shower. I'm thinking she may be both, oft sincere, wanting to manipulate the listeners to listen.






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snood
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 01:02 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Bill Maher would argue that presidential elections should NOT be any shorter than they presently are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33FUrrhzGI


Thank you. Bill Maher's opinion is duly noted.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 05:48 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Personal attacks against someone because you don't like their politics is lame.


Than maybe you should quit them yourself.
Lash
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 05:59 pm
@RABEL222,
Show me where I did it. If it wasn't a direct response to a personal attack, I'll apologize.













RABEL222
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 06:41 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
If it wasn't a direct response to a personal attack, I'll apologize.


The problem is you consider a difference of opinion an attack. So it would be a waste of time to go back to the statements you posted about me being anti semitic because I hate the present Isralie government. Not the first time you attacked me over an opinion nor I believe the last.
Lash
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 07:04 pm
@RABEL222,
Actually, I remember that anti-Semitic claim specifically because I was really pissed that you'd made some **** up and flung it at me.

I'm still childish enough to take some degree of pleasure in showing someone how it feels to have some baseless accusation thrown at them, so I retaliated. Feels bad, huh.

So, I'd like to ask you sincerely to stop doing that - and I'll be glad to do the same.

Criticize my opinions or my candidate and I'll limit my criticisms to the same. The air is clearing around here, and I'd like to be part of that rather than part of the smog.



cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 07:08 pm
@Lash,
Smog always surrounds politics and religion.
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 08:31 pm
Hillary Clinton expressed surprise Wednesday when a voter at a town hall in Iowa demanded she stop taking money from the fossil fuel companies. “Well, I don't know that I ever have,” Clinton said. “I'm not exactly one of their favorites.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-says-she-unaware-big-money-oil-gas-companies-have

The former secretary of state — who had been pressed on the same topic at an event this summer — made those comments despite her long history of accepting millions of dollars of campaign and philanthropic money from energy companies and lobbyists and in spite of her concurrent moves as a government official to help the fossil fuel industry. Indeed, while Clinton asserted this week in Iowa that she is “not in favor of drilling off our coasts,” as a senator, she broke with Democrats such as then-Sen. Barack Obama to vote to expand offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

While Clinton remains the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, she has faced pressure from the left from Vermont’s independent senator, Bernie Sanders, and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley. Both Sanders and O’Malley signed a pledge in July to “neither solicit nor accept campaign contributions from any oil, gas or coal company.” Clinton has offered a plan to greatly expand renewable energy usage, but she did not sign the pledge.

Oil and gas companies have contributed more than $700,000 to Clinton’s campaigns throughout her political career, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In 2008, she was the seventh-largest recipient of oil and gas campaign cash in the entire Congress. Meanwhile, oil giant ExxonMobil has given at least $1 million to the Clinton Foundation and $2 million to its event arm, called the Clinton Global Initiative, according to the Wall Street Journal. ExxonMobil has contributed $16.8 million to Vital Voices, a nonprofit that Clinton co-founded to empower women, the paper reported.

In her 2016 bid, Clinton has relied on a slew of current and former advocates for the oil and gas industry for fundraising support — including Tony Podesta, the brother of Clinton’s campaign chair, John Podesta. As recently as this year, Tony Podesta has lobbied for BP, the company responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history. He has also lobbied for a company part-owned by ExxonMobil. Podesta has raised over $130,000 for Clinton’s campaign, according to federal election records.

As a senator, Clinton voted twice in favor of expanding offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and to end restrictions on drilling off the coast of Florida. During her time leading the State Department, the agency signed the “U.S.-Mexico Transboundary Hydrocarbons Agreement” — a deal it said would help energy companies expand offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Clinton said the pact would “promote the safe, efficient and equitable exploration and production of cross-boundary reservoirs.”

In September, Clinton announced her opposition to the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, which has since been rejected by the Obama administration. When Clinton was secretary of state, however, the department approved plans for a pipeline to transport tar-sands oil from Canada.

On Wednesday, discussing the issue of donations from the fossil fuel industry, Clinton appeared to dismiss the notion of rejecting checks based on donors’ ties — although she previously promised to stop taking contributions from private prison lobbyists.

“Individuals who might have some connection to whatever industry, I'm not going to do a litmus test on them,” she said. “I don't think there's a lot that support me; but the companies don't, because they know that I'm going to be very adamant about moving us toward clean, renewable energy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Dec, 2015 08:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
One big advantage in politics is name recognition, and Clinton has it in spades.
 

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