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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Lash
 
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Sat 31 Oct, 2015 06:31 pm
@ossobuco,
I think you carelessly tread on my space. Let's talk again another day.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Nov, 2015 01:50 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
I think I started the "dears".


http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/pacificrim/images/0/09/Homer-Simpson-wingnuts-doh.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130909105555
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Nov, 2015 01:53 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
However, it not a given that Iraq caused ISIS or it wouldn't have popped up regardless.


Considering there was no radical Sunni presence prior to the invasion and that many IS soldiers are made up of disenchanted former Iraqi soldiers I'd say it was safe bet it was spawned by the illegal invasion.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:07 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Lash wrote:

Schlemiel, schlimazel...

Schlemiel - a stupid, awkward or unlucky person
Schlimazel - a consistently unlucky or accident prone person

I wasn't sure, so I looked 'em up!


According to a Jewish friend of mine:


Schlemiel - the guy in the restaurant who knocks over his soup bowl.

Schlimazel - is the guy it lands on.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 07:36 am
@izzythepush,
Perhaps or perhaps not, it really doesn't matter how it happened, it happened and now we all got to deal with it. I don't agree with the Iraq war any more than you do, it was a lie from the start, but rehashing the past gets us no where, in my opinion as we have plenty to deal in the present. I hope indeed, we only do as has been stated and it does not drag out to a Vietnam like war. I also think we should think twice about removing Assad. Some of these leaders are inhumane, however, it just seems to me when they leave a vacuum gets filled with chaos like removing Saddam Hussein did in Iraq. I think the goal should only be in weakening ISIS in the region and it should not be a high level of US effort but rather working with others as it seems we are doing.

(Been reading up on some of this)

Well, that is enough from me on this issue, I have side tracked thread long enough.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 07:42 am
@revelette2,
It does matter how it happened because it you can't reconcile that you're going to keep repeating the same mistakes.

Putting war criminals on trial would show the Islamic world a commitment to human rights.

If you want to help you need to understand the dynamics. In Iraq a ruling Sunni minority was kicked right down and saw militant Islam as a way of getting some power back.

In Syria you've got Allawites, Sunnis, Kurds and other minority groups. You need to understand the different mechanics or you'll just screw up.
revelette2
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 07:45 am
@izzythepush,
Well, I doubt it is going to happen regardless. In the meantime, ISIS has got to be dealt with.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 08:22 am
@izzythepush,
I'll add one more thing then try to end this discussion in this thread. From what I gathered in the following article, the US has been avoiding getting in too deep with the rebels of Syria and have mostly concentrated on IS and other militant Muslim groups.

Quote:
The US has accused President Assad of responsibility for widespread atrocities and says he must go. But it agrees on the need for a negotiated settlement to end the war and the formation of a transitional administration.

The US supports Syria's main opposition alliance, the National Coalition, and provides limited military assistance to "moderate" rebels.

Since September 2014, the US has been conducting air strikes on IS and other jihadist groups in Syria as part of an international coalition against the jihadist group. But it has avoided attacks that might benefit Mr Assad's forces or intervening in battles between them and the rebels.

A programme to train and arm 5,000 Syrian rebels to take the fight to IS on the ground has suffered embarrassing setbacks, with few having even reached the frontline.


source
izzythepush
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 08:45 am
@revelette2,
From what I heard the programme to recruit 5,000 rebels was a disaster with most deserting, joining IS, surrendering to IS and selling their weapons. Only 4 or 5 actually went on to fight Assad.
revelette2
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 08:55 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
From what I heard the programme to recruit 5,000 rebels was a disaster with most deserting, joining IS, surrendering to IS and selling their weapons. Only 4 or 5 actually went on to fight Assad.


Perhaps that is why they are changing their strategy.

Quote:
A $500m effort over the last two years by the United States to train Arab opposition forces in Syria failed. General Lloyd Austin, commander of US Central Command, told the Senate last month that it had resulted in only a handful of fighters actively battling the jihadi army. “We’re talking four or five,” Austin said.

Thousands of US forces are deployed in neighboring Iraq – where local forces are also fighting groups identifying themselves as Isis – in what the White House has described as a training and advisory role. The US troops lead and assist local fighters and help coordinate airstrikes against enemy positions. The Pentagon says the troops have rarely, if ever, participated directly in combat against Isis fighters. Last week a US soldier participating in a raid on a compound near the city of Kirkuk, Iraq, to free dozens of Iraqi prisoners from captivity was killed.

The change in approach in Syria coincides with Russian intervention against a variety of rebel groups fighting Assad and a decision to invite Iran to the Vienna peace talks.


Administration sources also told the Guardian that the US would be enhancing military assistance to Jordan and Lebanon to help their governments fight Isis.


source
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:12 am
@izzythepush,
Pretty damned accurate.

Exactly why if we really want end ISIS, the rest of the world need to stop arming everyone but the Kurds and let the locals end it.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:03 am
@bobsal u1553115,
One big problem is NATO member Turkey has long seen Kurdish independence as more of a problem that Islamic radicalism. They're fighting the PKK right now, and don't want the Syrian or Iraqi Kurds to succeed because that will lead to demands for more autonomy/independence from the Turkish Kurds.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 03:14 pm
@Lash,
I could have written your post for you. I have been a hunter and a owner of guns my whole life but have never wanted to shoot someone just for the hell of it like some on this site. I think that the rights the constitution gives us also entails rules that protect the right to live without fear that pure gun owenership dosent encourage. On one hand you accuse me of trying to take away guns and than accuse me of using children for my gun argument. I want rules for gun ownership and the gun organizations dont, and justify murdering kids in order to keep their guns and their 2nd amendment rights which I believe have been interpreted wrongly. Do you have membership in the NRA, I dont and never have nor will I ever.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 03:25 pm
@ossobuco,
As I remember it we went into Vietnaum because of big banks and France and as soon as we went France pulled out all their troops and told there you are. Solve the problem for us. I was never for fighting that stupid war and realized that the population of Vietnaum dident want us there except for a government that was as crooked as any in the world at that time.
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 03:30 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
But, but, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, and all that oil that the 1% want protected. So what if a few thousand young americans die there. And it will help the unemployment problem.
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Lash
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 04:43 pm
@RABEL222,
No. I disagree with the NRA. Most organizations go too far, so I'm not a "joiner."

I merely have a gun and practice shooting in safe environment.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 04:50 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

No. I disagree with the NRA. Most organizations go too far, so I'm not a "joiner."

I merely have a gun and practice shooting in safe environment.


hmmm... what does the NRA say that you disagree with?
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ossobuco
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 05:05 pm
@Lash,
Your space?


On "dear", I just remembered that you, and I am guessing Snood, are from the south, which I've not been to, and dear and honey and such may have more usage in conversation there than other parts of the U.S. It's taken me a dozen years go not cringe at "sweetie".
RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:20 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
It's taken me a dozen years go not cringe at "sweetie".


When one of those good looking young waitresses call me sweetie I beam like the sun. It happens so seldom. Usually its what do you want you old buzzard.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 3 Nov, 2015 06:01 am
http://i.imgur.com/TrmtVuk.png

Just thought I'd toss this in.
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