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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 04:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Actually, Frank, it looks like you fabricated your entire statement. The Bernie supporters are in love with him - because he espouses love of all of us - gays, so-called minorities, women, millennials, poor people. He demands equality and so do we. I have always, even in my more conservative days, fought for equal rights.

Bernie supporters are only angry at those who are wrecking our country. We are unwilling to sit quietly while the ultra-rich buy our country. We are unwilling to allow industry to ruin our planet. We are the ones who care.

And I'm pissed at the ones like you who don't.
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 04:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I value diversity.
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Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 04:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Pot, meet kettle.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 05:33 pm
@revelette2,
It certainly is a possibility.
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Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 05:37 pm
@izzythepush,
The world isn't black and white hats, junior G man. Democrats have guilty hands too as evidenced by their dirty darling.

At least I repent.
snood
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 05:41 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

The world isn't black and white hats, junior G man. Democrats have guilty hands too as evidenced by their dirty darling.

At least I repent.


It isn't black and white, good vs evil, all or nothing...
Except where Bernie is concerned?
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 05:44 pm
@snood,
I can't find fault with him. Can you?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 06:25 pm
Hillary is receiving more than campaign contributions from the Banks TOO BIG TO FAIL:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2015/07/shannon_stapleton/lead_960.jpg

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs.



More at

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

(I am an advocate for knowing everything you can about all Democratic candidates for president. Thus, I want to know just how much Hillary "owes" big banks, and how much she's willing to give up to truly represent the Hoi Polloi. I, for one, am deeply concerned by her connections with these banks.

Also, this article was published in July, but it's still relevant.)
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 06:29 pm
Here's what Hillary really wants: "Hey, Africans to "get over" the trauma of colonization"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSmGcdGUkAAGJ4z.png

Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:58pm EDT

Clinton: Africa must launch tough economic reforms

African nations must stop seeking handouts and begin tough structural reforms, especially on trade, if they truly want to improve their economies, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday.

...

"If you look at trade between African countries, it is abysmally minimalistic," Clinton said. "African countries don't trade with themselves. They have barriers and tariffs and customs problems that stand in the way of developing their own economies."

Clinton's sharp comments were in response to a question about broadening the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA), a measure passed by Congress in 2000 which gives favorable access to U.S. markets to dozens of African countries.

...

"They'd rather have the biggest piece of a small pie than a smaller piece of a big pie. So if you are going to have that mentality, it is really hard to utilize the incredible tool that AGOA is," she said.

...

Sounding almost exasperated, Clinton indicated that Africa's arguments for the redress of economic imbalances left by colonialism were beginning to wear a little thin -- at least in Washington.

"For goodness sakes, this is the 21st century. We've got to get over what happened 50, 100, 200 years ago and let's make money for everybody. That's the best way to try to create some new energy and some new growth in Africa," she said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/14/us-africa-usa-idUSTRE65D61920100614
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snood
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 07:07 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I can't find fault with him. Can you?

Exactly. You can find no fault with him and you can find no good with Hillary. The fact that your mind is closed in that way makes any weakness I might name of Bernie's moot. I have enough faith in your intellect though Lash that I really believe that somewhere down the line you will see how your rhetoric during this election lowered the whole discussion. Only problem is, by the time you get around to admitting you were needlessly bitter and polarizing, it will be too late.
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 07:32 pm
@snood,
Not so fast. I can't find fault with him. I'm asking you to prove me wrong. Convince me of one of his faults. Or agree he hasn't revealed one yet.
roger
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:15 pm
@Lash,
He is kind of liberal, isn't he?
McGentrix
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:16 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Not so fast. I can't find fault with him. I'm asking you to prove me wrong. Convince me of one of his faults. Or agree he hasn't revealed one yet.


I'll have a go...

He is running as a Democrat instead of as an Independent. Hillary has no chance of losing the Democratic nomination barring 15-20 more scandals. Sanders is merely spinning his wheels trying to get the Democratic nod.

Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:32 pm
@McGentrix,
OK, thanks for playing! It seems to me your major issue with him is that he's running for president.

There's no Dem Soc party, so guys who are DS have to choose the party closest to their convictions. ...? This might not be the way you interpret Bern's current position, but if you were a Dem Soc., how would you proceed? (Hanging yourself is not an acceptable answer.)
McGentrix
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:48 pm
@Lash,
By running as an independent he has the ability to pick up non-Democrat outliers like Hawkeye. As a Democrat he has no chance.

I have no issue with Sanders running, he is an American citizen over 35... I have issues with his agenda, but that is flaws I find. We are working on you here...
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:52 pm
@McGentrix,
I'm an Independent - and so are a lot of voters who are signed on for him, so I find a flaw in your reasoning. People who like him are from all parties.

If you could bring a criticism about him, we could address it...
Lash
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 08:58 pm
@roger,
By God, I think you have a point.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:00 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I'm an Independent - and so are a lot of voters who are signed on for him, so I find a flaw in your reasoning. People who like him are from all parties.

If you could bring a criticism about him, we could address it...


I know in New York, you can only vote for your party during the primaries.

His flaw is that he is not thinking of his people when choosing to run as a Democrat. He isn't a Democrat and doesn't subscribe to the Democrat party platform. Sure there is a plank or two that he agrees with, but the rest he is holding his nose closed.

Quote:
SANDERS HAS positioned himself as a hero of America's downtrodden workers. He doesn't run from the label "socialist," but instead embraces it in his condemnations of corporate greed. He even has a portrait of the great Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs hanging in his office.

Certainly Sanders will bring all sorts of issues to the Democratic primaries that Clinton would prefer to tiptoe around or avoid altogether. He has promised to call attention to inequality in the U.S., the corporate hijacking of American politics and the imminent crisis of climate change.

With refreshing bluntness, he told George Stephanopoulos on ABC News' This Week, "We need a political revolution in this country involving millions of people who are prepared to stand up and say "Enough is enough," and I want to help lead that effort."

But if Sanders really wanted to participate in mobilizing millions to resist the status quo in U.S. politics, he had other options to launching himself into the circus of a Democratic presidential campaign as the designated marginal renegade. And he rejected them.

For one, he could have set a very different example, with a far greater chance of success, if he ran for governor in Vermont against the Democratic Party's incumbent Peter Shumlin, who has betrayed promises to implement a single-payer health care system, create green, union jobs and much more.

Faced with a budget crisis, Shumlin and the state's Democrats refused to raise taxes on the rich to fulfill their promises. Instead, they imposed cuts in social services, education, and environmental programs, and laid off scores of state workers. Shumlin even went so far as to call for the banning of teachers' right to strike.

Sanders is Vermont's most popular politician. With the backing of the Progressive Party, he could have run for governor as an independent and easily defeated both the Democratic and Republican nominees, and never faced the accusation of being a spoiler that is inevitably thrown at any third-party challenger.

A victory for a truly independent campaign by Sanders would have been even bigger than Kshama Sawant's election to the Seattle City Council as an open socialist. In so doing, Sanders could have built momentum for a national third-party alternative to represent workers and the oppressed.

If Sanders had his heart set on national politics, he could have run for president like Ralph Nader as an independent, opposing both capitalist parties, the Democrats and Republicans. He would have been appealing for a protest vote, rather than any real chance to win, but Sanders rejected this possibility out of hand for a different reason. "No matter what I do," Sanders said in January, "I will not be a spoiler. I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as president of the United States."

In other words, Sanders refused to consider an independent presidential campaign not because he had little chance of winning, but because he didn't want to compete for vote with the Democrats' eventual nominee. There's no reason to believe he will be a "bold alternative" at the end of his doomed campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In jumping into the Democratic Party primaries, Sanders appointed a quintessential corporate party insider, Ted Devine, to be his campaign manager. Devine has worked for a series of Democratic presidential campaigns, stretching back to Walter Mondale and running through to John Kerry.
RABEL222
 
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Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:04 pm
@Lash,
Are you OK with the fact that he is a communist and a lover of guns?
Lash
 
  1  
Fri 30 Oct, 2015 09:15 pm
@RABEL222,
Of course, he's not a Communist and I own a Glock, so reasonable views about guns are important to me. I agree completely with his stance on guns.
 

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