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The Clinton Rape Allegations

 
 
buffytheslayer
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2004 11:12 pm
Yawn.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2004 11:41 pm
I have no clue whether slick was guilty of rape or not, and I really couldn't care less how much consensual sex he's had. I do believe the Clintons are guilty of insider trading and profited a great deal from S&L scams. I'll leave the country before they return to the Whitehouse.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2004 11:57 pm
Well admittedly a lot of stuff gets 'manufactured' and posted on the internet and I won't even speculate whether the piece cited by Swolf was one of those. There is an awful lot of stuff out there regarding Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Ward Gracen, however with mixed results as to their significance. These are generally summarized as:

1. Allegations made that he raped her
2. She goes public stating it was a consensual
one night stand
3. She subsequently rescinds her statement that
it was consensual
4. She is shortly thereafter audited by the IRS

The truth is probably intertwined among the 107000 hits you get when you type Elizabeth Ward Gracen Bill Clinton into Google.
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 05:50 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Well admittedly a lot of stuff gets 'manufactured' and posted on the internet and I won't even speculate whether the piece cited by Swolf was one of those. There is an awful lot of stuff out there regarding Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Ward Gracen, however with mixed results as to their significance. These are generally summarized as:

1. Allegations made that he raped her
2. She goes public stating it was a consensual
one night stand
3. She subsequently rescinds her statement that
it was consensual
4. She is shortly thereafter audited by the IRS

The truth is probably intertwined among the 107000 hits you get when you type Elizabeth Ward Gracen Bill Clinton into Google.



They were starting to call the IRS the "Internal Revenge Service" under Slick's admin. That's another whole can of worms in itself. They used to accuse Tricky Dick of misusing federal agencies and Dick never came close to what Slick was doing.

You've got CapitalHillBlue and a couple of hundred other websites calling Slick a serial rapist and documenting a couple of dozen cases, and you have to assume these outfits would have all been sued out of existence by now if there were any shot at claiming Slick was innocent of any of it.

You've got the woman who facilitated all this rape and pillage preparing for a run for the presidency. The Hillary Clinton story in fact can frequently be seen on Saturday nights on the grade B horror flicks. These usually show some poor old crazy woman living out in the Bayou swamp in a cabin with two grown sons who go out and rape and pillage at night and the poor old crazy woman has to keep the lid down on it. Substitute Slick for the two sons and you've got the Hillary Clinton story.

Part of the problem has to do with Slick's conception of social class and caste, and this has ramifications beyond Slick's treatment of women.

The problem is that Slick never spent a minute of his life in the middle class; he went straight from outright trailor trash to what he perceives as some sort of "elite", courtesy of Cecil Rhodes. Slick has nothing but contempt for the middle class and does not even view it as having any right to exist. In Slick's scheme of things, there are peasants, and then there is the government which rules them, and a natural aristocracy consisting of government wonks, weenies etc. etc. at different levels which Slick views as something like medieval nobility.

Naturally enough, Slick feels entitled to treat what he views as peasant women in much the manner in which medieval lords did. In medieval times, that was called 'le droit du seigneur' or something like that.

Likewise, in any instance in which the interests of middle class people and of trash conflict, or, for that matter, in any instance such as Kosovo in which the interests of a nation like Serbia with a middle class model of society come into conflict with a nation or group of people such as Albanians with a trash model of society, i.e. a nation or group of people attemnpting to breed their way to power by averaging ten or twelve children per family, Slick Clinton could absolutely be counted on to come down four-square on the side of the trash.

In other words, Slick can emphasize with his fellow 'aristocrats", and also with what he views as his fellow trash, but as a general rule, not with you or me.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 05:51 am
Careful, your desperation is showing.
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 05:55 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Well admittedly a lot of stuff gets 'manufactured' and posted on the internet and I won't even speculate whether the piece cited by Swolf was one of those. There is an awful lot of stuff out there regarding Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Ward Gracen, however with mixed results as to their significance. These are generally summarized as:

1. Allegations made that he raped her
2. She goes public stating it was a consensual
one night stand
3. She subsequently rescinds her statement that
it was consensual
4. She is shortly thereafter audited by the IRS

The truth is probably intertwined among the 107000 hits you get when you type Elizabeth Ward Gracen Bill Clinton into Google.



I think you're getting the Broaddrick and Gracen stories mixed up a bit.

Juanita Broaddrick rescinded her previous statement when it became apparent that she was going to have to tell it under oath in a federal grand jury. Apparently, her son, a lawyer, told her that there was no reasonable way to lie to a federal grand jury and hope for any good to come of it.

Gracen to my knowledge has never rescinded her claim that whatever happened between herself and Slick was consentual. Nonetheless, it quickly becomes apparent to people reading the story that, in overwhelming likelihood, it was not.

Slick, when governor of Arkansas, had boasted that there would never be a Miss Arkansas who he didn't have. That doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of room for taking no for an answer or anything like that.
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 05:59 am
Quote:

A liberal looks at those less fortunate and says "damn, I may have to give them some of mine".


In Slick's case... Yeah, you could phrase it like that...
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 06:06 am
You might have to change your little tag-line there; that one might have just become untenable.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 06:21 am
swolf wrote:


Justice? Don't hold your breathe, near as I can tell, Slick and all members of his administration have been pretty much declared to be above the law in perpetuity.



All politicians are above the law. Get used to it. I'll bet the deranged, brain dead, psychopath currently sitting in the white house talking to god never gets prosecuted for his myriad crimes.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 06:21 am
But then, who upholds the laws of nature he breaks?
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 06:26 am
Wilso wrote:

All politicians are above the law. Get used to it. I'll bet the deranged, brain dead, psychopath currently sitting in the white house talking to god never gets prosecuted for his myriad crimes.



What crimes? Be specific.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 06:50 am
Pass the popcorn.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 07:07 am
Who is "Slick"?

What is a "demmunist"?

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/sf/films/marsattk/martian.jpg
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 07:46 am
I believe that "demmunist" is an original term from the always hyperactive mind of swolf, insinuating that democrats and communists are somehow joined at the hip. I understand that swolf has eyes on Rush Limbaugh's job.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 07:49 am
..and all Conservatives are Nazi's right?

Rolling Eyes
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 08:02 am
You know what, had Clinton NOT raped those women, these allegations would be fruitless.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 08:05 am
Rick d'Israeli wrote:
..and all Conservatives are Nazi's right?

Rolling Eyes


Please...that's just silly.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 08:16 am
I know. I am a silly person.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 08:24 am
Quote:
You know what, had Clinton NOT raped those women, these allegations would be fruitless.


Then I guess the allegations are fruitless.

The only reason they started with the rape allegations is that the consentual sex charges against clinton were not having the desired effect on the public's opinion which remained consistent through out his presidency and beyond.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 08:37 am
swolf writes:
I think you're getting the Broaddrick and Gracen stories mixed up a bit.

Quote:
Juanita Broaddrick rescinded her previous statement when it became apparent that she was going to have to tell it under oath in a federal grand jury. Apparently, her son, a lawyer, told her that there was no reasonable way to lie to a federal grand jury and hope for any good to come of it.

Gracen to my knowledge has never rescinded her claim that whatever happened between herself and Slick was consentual. Nonetheless, it quickly becomes apparent to people reading the story that, in overwhelming likelihood, it was not.

Slick, when governor of Arkansas, had boasted that there would never be a Miss Arkansas who he didn't have. That doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of room for taking no for an answer or anything like that.


You could be right. Once I decided the man had no moral center whatsoever, I quit paying much attention to the details. Here are some lengths re Gracen that also references others:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeper/cst-nws-roep22.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14656

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Feb1999/020399/clintonrape020399.htm

http://www.time.com/time/daily/scandal/miss_america.html

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Feb1999/020399/clintonrape020399.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14702

http://www.chez.com/sonny/highlander/acteurs/gracen/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/clinton_scandal/49771.stm

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/commentprint071000a.html

(edited to correct spelling error)
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