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Idiot Protestors Snarl Traffic_Ambulance diverted

 
 
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:33 pm
@Kolyo,
Kolyo wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

The only purpose of the protest today was to cause inconvenience. It was vindictive, angry and meaningless.


Are you also against all forms of labor stoppage?

Because that's their purpose as well: to bring things to a halt.



But don't you see how dangerous and counterproductive that is?

You want people to be on your side, and you keep them from being productive members of society?

max is correct, this is NOTHING like the protests of the 60's. This was just stupid.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:35 pm
@maxdancona,
For a refreshing change, I agree with you, from what I see.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:37 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

For the record, Frank. I am not saying that these protesters are idiots. I am saying that this protest is idiotic. There is a big difference between these two statements.

This protest was a big mistake, but they should have realized that before they went ahead and did it.

How you protest matters. If you are going to protest, why not choose a form of protest that is purposeful and meaningful and has a chance of gaining sympathy from the general public. This protest failed on all counts.




I understand that difference, Max...and quite honestly, I thought you also were calling them idiots. My bad.

Under any circumstances, I think the first comment you made in your second paragraph better describes the protest...rather than idiotic.

Anger can make us do thinks that are not well conceived. I've been that angry and frustrated in my life...and I've done things that could rightly (perhaps charitably) be called a mistake.

The anger expressed towards these people by some here...the designation of "idiots" is, in my opinion, inappropriate. That is my point.
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:


Obviously you are someone who has never done anything that had unintended negative consequences. Because you are so perfect, you have the right to consider them to be inferior to you.




oh grow up Frank.

How childish of you.

Of course we cannot plan for every consequence of our actions. But when a group is planning to do something that could cause deaths, you would think at least one adult would have said "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea."

Protesting with no relationship to what you preceive the problem is, is like a 2 year old throwing a trantrum. They're mad about "something", but can't seem to express it in a productive way.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:37 pm
Putting your arms in concrete is not a mistake.

Geebus, read the first chapters of Boyle's book. Surely one of them has, if not you.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:39 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:


Obviously you are someone who has never done anything that had unintended negative consequences. Because you are so perfect, you have the right to consider them to be inferior to you.




oh grow up Frank.

How childish of you.

Of course we cannot plan for every consequence of our actions. But when a group is planning to do something that could cause deaths, you would think at least one adult would have said "hey, maybe this isn't such a good idea."

Protesting with no relationship to what you preceive the problem is, is like a 2 year old throwing a trantrum. They're mad about "something", but can't seem to express it in a productive way.


Don't give me that "childish" crap, Chai.

Call them idiots if it makes you feel better about yourself.

But my disagreeing with you does not make me childish any more than what they did makes them idiots.

Sorry you cannot, or will not, see that.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:44 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Labor stoppage makes sense (assuming you are protesting wages or working conditions). It is a purposeful and directed form of protest with a clear, and responsible, message.


Yeah, I guess there are key differences between this protest and a strike.

Strikers generally do have some clear goal in mind when they walk out, whereas these protestors didn't.

Also the company suffers considerably more inconvenience than the public during a strike, which was not the case here.
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 08:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It's not your disagreeing Frank. It's not that at all.

It's your pulling the "oh, well I guess you've never made a mistake Miss Perfect" crap.

You've done that twice now to different people.

That's really beneath your (honestly) high intelligence level.



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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 09:19 pm
Looks to me that there were protesters (ordinary) and protesters who were way out there. I can't tell from here.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 09:24 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

For a refreshing change, I agree with you, from what I see.


It seems like every time you are right, you agree with me. There is definitely a pattern here.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 09:27 pm
@maxdancona,
snort

I'm not a natural snorter. I learned it from Piffka, a2ker of yore
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2015 09:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Putting you arms in setting concrete (no, the word is not cement, the word is concrete, which happens to include cement) is idiotic.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 04:53 am

I'm mildly curious how their arms were freed from the concrete without their arms being injured.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 06:21 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ZTC61IIAA1AC6.jpg:large
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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 07:55 am
@oralloy,
Big, honkin' (electric, I believe) saws.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 08:04 am
@jespah,
Seeing as sawing their arms off would be seen as extreme (even though it would be efficient), I would support them just loading them on to trucks and dropping them off somewhere away from the highway. Let them figure out how to get their arms out.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 08:21 am
@jespah,
jespah wrote:
Big, honkin' (electric, I believe) saws.

How did they prevent the saws from cutting into their arms?

It seems to me that anything with the power to cut through concrete, will lack the finesse to not cut into their arms.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 08:25 am
@oralloy,
I think you can use the saws to get rid of the barrels and take away the concrete that is not close to the arms. Then you can use hammers to chip through the concrete without hurting the arms (such a shame).

jespah
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 12:23 pm
@maxdancona,
That's pretty much what they did.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2015/01/15/highway-protest-barrel-cement/

Here's an image of one barrel afterwards:
http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/protest-1.jpg

If a fire wasn't put out quickly because firefighters were diverted to deal with this (to use the technical term) clusterfuck, then I imagine lawsuits can't be far behind.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 12:29 pm
@jespah,
I wonder how much taxpayers money was wasted on this ****.

Did everyone hear the latest? Police violence against ALL people, not just blacks, has totally come to a stop since this protest.
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