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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 16 Sep, 2015 12:33 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Feel free to open an "all about Hawkeye" thread but please try not to clutter this one up with your obsession.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 16 Sep, 2015 12:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
You have the memory of a gold fish.

I was responding to this:

Quote:
@bobsal u1553115,
I am never ashamed of my search for reality, messy or not, unappetizing or not.


which is not only Hawkeye show but even refers to another Hawkeye show. Can you ever make an argument without using the first person singular all the time? Its the Hawkeye show because you only refer to your own "zen expertise" (which in itself demonstrates a shallow grasp of Zen) when you make your first person singular outrageous stuff. Its wrong because YOU say so.

You're thinking it don't make it so. This isn't the Hawkeye show.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Wed 16 Sep, 2015 03:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
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he seems pretty vanilla by the standards of the crowd I run in.



It's obvious anyone with a "kink" is ok, to you, vanilla or not. So your stance is only what form of consent.

Here is your answer Hawkeye.

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In July, Cosby lost a bid to fend off a lawsuit that accused him of sexually abusing a 15-year-old girl at the Playboy Mansion in Los Angeles in 1974.



There is absolutely no justifications what so ever for any man to touch a 15 year old.

Remember, thereafter, there were 2 x 17 year olds.

Now he is pissed that his Insurance won't cover his law suits that are going on and he has to dip into his own money.

I am sure given the ladies (50+) not 1 don't care if that is all they get out of it, him losing his fame/ his money / his name / his credibility / his shows. Damn Karma works in a funny way.

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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 17 Sep, 2015 06:27 pm
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Thursday night, A&E will premiere an hourlong special about the conservative apologist’s fall from public favor. Framed by a chronological telling of his career arc, it plays as a damning biographical documentary—a profoundly unflattering look back at how, at every step in his professional life, Cosby used his money, fame, and paternal reputation to manipulate young women.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/09/17/bill_cosby_documentary_on_a_e_shows_how_the_future_will_tell_his_story.html

9ET
FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 18 Sep, 2015 02:09 am
@hawkeye10,
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Cosby used his money, fame, and paternal reputation to manipulate young women


Forget the rest of that link.

Yep. Shall we add up all the other rich people that did the same?
McGentrix
 
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Fri 18 Sep, 2015 12:15 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:

Quote:
Cosby used his money, fame, and paternal reputation to manipulate young women


Forget the rest of that link.

Yep. Shall we add up all the other rich people that did the same?


Does that make what Cosby did right somehow?
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 18 Sep, 2015 12:55 pm
@McGentrix,
Some context would be nice. If the women are telling the truth how rare was their treatment by hollywood standards? When you follow the sexual revolution and the womens lib movement with a drug binge aren't the Bill Cosby stories what you would expect to see, all over?

McGentrix
 
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Fri 18 Sep, 2015 01:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Some context would be nice. If the women are telling the truth how rare was their treatment by hollywood standards? When you follow the sexual revolution and the womens lib movement with a drug binge aren't the Bill Cosby stories what you would expect to see, all over?




I can imagine no context where a woman would want to be drugged unconscious and be made to have sex. Are there hookers that do that? You would have to be awful secure with someone to allow that kind of thing to happen.

No, I think Cosby was just a sick **** with a weird fetish. Otherwise, he'd be home with an unconscious Camille.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 18 Sep, 2015 02:09 pm
@McGentrix,
Given the broad support Polanski had back in the 70's and 80's we have to wonder what the public opinion would have been at the time had these women been talking. Maybe it would have been pro Cosby, and that is the reason they did not say anything.
Builder
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 03:40 am
@hawkeye10,
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Given the broad support Polanski had back in the 70's and 80's


By whom? The westminster system is set up to protect paedophiles, but I never caught a whiff of public support for that dude. How's his career going now?
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 04:05 am
@Builder,
Even in very conservative Rockford Il I remember the talk being mixed. The pro Polanski side was a mix of the idea that Polanski is an artist and so we can can't expect him to be normal, the poor man has already suffered enough for one lifetime because of the Manson Gang, and this 13 year old girl sure acts like a tramp, if she does not want to be fucked then she needs to make different choices. Rockford was a very sheltered place but between Manson and his movies Romain Polanski was known. The charges against him was a big deal for many months, it was one of those things that came up in conversation over and over.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 05:40 pm
@McGentrix,
Not sure where you got that thought from.

If you go back amongst this entire thread, I have on occasions shown my disgust on how those with "fame" think they can hide behind that and get away with this type of disgusting behaviour and never get caught out.

Cosby isn't the only one, Rolf Harris, is another.
ehBeth
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 06:47 pm
@Builder,
Polanski was reviled back in the day - used as an example of what awful things could happen to young girls.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 06:55 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Polanski was reviled back in the day - used as an example of what awful things could happen to young girls.


By some.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Which brings up the question, what is a “good victim”? It certainly is a question that Geimer says she inherently struggles with. It’s one thing to have people consistently questioning whether or not you have been violated, it’s quite another to have them question whether you are deserving of any sort of justice, based on your reputation as a victim. “Almost immediately from the start of this case, I felt the pressure to be damaged,” says Geimer. “But I refused to be damaged enough to be a 'good victim'." Geimer knows a truth that almost all who have been sexually assaulted or rape know: Unless you are the purest of the pure, chances are, something about you will be found to be “not a good victim.”

http://www.bookslut.com/nonfiction/2013_12_020438.php

Not fitting the mold of victim very well she was often cast as the temptress, as the likely drugged out hollywood brat/idiot/slut that got what she deserved. AKA give Polanski a pass and let him get back to work.
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McGentrix
 
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Sat 19 Sep, 2015 10:53 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:

Not sure where you got that thought from.

If you go back amongst this entire thread, I have on occasions shown my disgust on how those with "fame" think they can hide behind that and get away with this type of disgusting behaviour and never get caught out.

Cosby isn't the only one, Rolf Harris, is another.


Yeah, you are right, my bad. I see what you were saying now.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sun 20 Sep, 2015 02:45 am
@McGentrix,
Got to love the Internet Smile

You might find this a sad case of denial as well.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/rolf-harris-to-star-in-film-made-by-daughter-bindi/story-e6frg6so-1227476314987

Setanta
 
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Sun 20 Sep, 2015 03:18 am
@FOUND SOUL,
One has to have a subscription to The Australian to read that article.
ehBeth
 
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Sun 20 Sep, 2015 08:47 am
@FOUND SOUL,
snuck in sideways to read about it on the associated blog

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Disgraced entertainer Rolf Harris is to star in a film being made by his daughter Bindi in a misguided effort to relaunch his television career.

The 85-year-old is to be filmed behind bars at Stafford prison and hopes to include a raft of high profile celebrities backing him, the Sunday Sun newspaper reports.

Harris is serving five years and nine months for indecently assaulting four girls aged between seven and 19 years, one of which was Bindi’s best friend, over a 20-year period.

One of Harris’ closest confidantes Chris Brosnan also claimed to the Mail on Sunday that Harris had originally sought to blame his own grandson for the presence of pornography on his computer.

Police had originally charged Harris with four counts of downloading pornographic images on his computer and the court heard how he had written in an exercise book details how to wipe his computer’s memory. However these charges were dropped before Harris entered a plea.

The Sunday Sun reported the attempts to make a film about Harris behind bars was to try and proclaim his innocence.

‘It is going to focus on his time in prison and his ‘ordeal’ of going to court,’’ a source told the newspaper.

‘It’s difficult to imagine who’d want to watch it, although some people might have a grim fascination with what he had to say.’’

But it’s clear Brosnan, the 48-year-old who was treated like Harris’ son and lived with the family in Bray, an hour outside London, will not be included in the film. He has turned on Harris and given repeated interviews to the Mail on Sunday about Harris’ vile attitude towards women. He claimed Harris was trying to shift blame about his computer contents.

‘The police had already started their investigation into Rolf when I received a call from someone extremely close to him, someone I considered a friend and part of Rolf’s inner circle,’’ Brosnan told the paper.

“This person asked me if I had ever used Rolf’s computer to look at porn. They said they were also questioning Rolf’s grandson Marlon Cox, who was only 15 at the time, and his nephew Buzz, who lives in Australia.

“I was shocked and furious. Rolf never accepts responsibility and still hasn’t.

“What sort of man casts a shadow over his friends and family? Rather than say, ‘Yes, it was me.’ He was happy to shift suspicion to the people around him to try to take the heat off himself. It made me realise he would throw anyone under the bus to save himself.’’



weirdly, it's at the same link that doesn't work
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sun 20 Sep, 2015 02:16 pm
@Setanta,
I didn't stop to think about that, just as I can't access some links from America, thanks.
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