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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 19 Nov, 2014 11:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
You think most people dishonestly manipulate other people, and consider that acceptable? You should have no difficulty understanding Bill Cosby then.

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 12:01 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
It was a game we played. It was acceptable.


you apparently lived/live in a very strange world

behaviour like that wasn't always reported to the authorities, but the information was passed around and guys who were even suspected of **** like that were iced in the communities I was part of in the 1970's/80's/90's (now it is pretty much reported to the authorities automatically)
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 12:02 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Attitudes change, back then it was considered pretty acceptable to secretly add something to a womans drink


nope

not acceptable

not ever
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 12:12 am
@hawkeye10,
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Attitudes change, back then it was considered pretty acceptable to secretly add something to a womans drink to get her motor primed and ready, because women were well known to have trouble in that department.

Lets not judge the 1969 Bill Cosby by 2014 moral standards. In any case what these women are accusing Bill Cosby of drugging them with is most certainly not Spanish Fly...which as near as I can tell was always a marketing scam not an effective erotic drug anyways.


Drugs were acceptable, that being most tried something. You could drink and drive and rarely be detected as the Police didn't really bother back then.

It was acceptable to be "offered" a drug and decide.

It was never acceptable for a man to put a micky in my drink. Though it happened once, I was fortunate to always have friends where I went, so I was lucky that I was able to get home safe as a result.

Yes there were places that had wild scenes Hawkeye and girls that were fine with trying drugs.

Again, it was "never" acceptable for us 20 year olds or teenagers to be given any drug without our knowledge that would put us in a vulnerable state that did not allow us to make any decisions of our own or worse, knocked out and raped.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:07 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Attitudes change, back then it was considered pretty acceptable to secretly add something to a womans drink


nope

not acceptable

not ever


So the punch thing never happened to you....ever? If you say so, but that is hard to believe. So the guy handing you a strong drink and then being evasive about what is in it never happened to you....ever? If you say so, but that is hard to believe.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:11 am
Quote:
TV Land pulls 'Cosby Show' reruns amid rape allegations
November 19, 2014, |LOS ANGELES

NBC said on Wednesday it has canceled an upcoming project with veteran comedian Bill Cosby, his second show to be pulled after accusations that he sexually assaulted women resurfaced in recent weeks..

The move by NBC comes a day after online streaming company Netflix Inc said it was postponing Cosby's stand-up comedy special "Bill Cosby 77," which was due to be released on Nov. 28.

The damage to Cosby's career reached the reruns of "The Cosby Show," a top-rated NBC comedy in which he played his most famous role as the affable patriarch, Dr. Cliff Huxtable. A spokeswoman for Viacom Inc's basic cable channel TV Land said the show is being pulled from its schedule, without commenting further.

The 77-year-old Cosby is fighting to protect one of the most storied careers in stand-up comedy and television. He is scheduled to go ahead with a performance on Friday at a sold-out show in Florida, the King Center for the the Performing Arts said on its website on Wednesday....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-bill-cosby-nbc-comedy-project-20141119-story.html

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:19 am
@firefly,
Of course he is never going to work again. But as far as I know this guy is a lot like Robin Williams on the day that he hung himself from a doorknob in that not only his best work but also his barely average work is all in the past. Maybe that Netflix thing will be seen somehow someway but I doubt it. Maybe it was good, we will likely never know.


He is a 77 yo black man, he is not going to have to suffer the indignities long before he croaks. This guy will be lucky (unlucky?) to be around in 5 years, he is not going to have to be like OJ Simpson and need to do this **** for decades.

If Cosby raped women he almost completely ran out the clock and what ever happens in the next few years is not going to matter. OK, so he knows how history is going to talk about him, not nicely, that sucks. On the other hand he lived long enough to get an answer. HE KNOWS. This has to be kind of nice, to not leave these kinds of major threads hanging.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:27 am
@hawkeye10,
Anyone who at any stage in his life has forced himself upon other human beings for his own gratification is a turd, pure and simple.

Anyone who makes sure that another human being is unwittingly put into a coma at the time of the offence is not only a turd, but a cowardly turd, pure and simple.

However old someone is when these offences come to light is irrelevant.
The only difference then is that the perpetrator is an aged cowardly turd.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:29 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Of course he is never going to work again.

Well, he's scheduled to work Friday.

Quote:
He is scheduled to go ahead with a performance on Friday at a sold-out show in Florida, the King Center for the the Performing Arts said on its website on Wednesday....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 01:46 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
Of course he is never going to work again.

Well, he's scheduled to work Friday.

Quote:
He is scheduled to go ahead with a performance on Friday at a sold-out show in Florida, the King Center for the the Performing Arts said on its website on Wednesday....



So they say. Their insurance carrier or Cosby's might have other plans however.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:16 am
@hawkeye10,
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Their insurance carrier or Cosby's might have other plans however.

Why should the insurance carrier care?

People who bought tickets, and now no longer want to see him, will just leave him with a lot of empty seats. And he might have to deal with some hecklers.

These accusations have been swirling around him for the past 9 years, none of this is really new, and it's hard to tell how it will affect him long-term once this media and internet firestorm blows over, and it will blow over.

He's got shows lined up through next June, and they are still selling tickets for all of them.
http://www.eventticketscenter.com/ResultsGeneral.aspx?kwds=cosby

He's 77 years old and he's worth $350 million, so he has no compelling need to work at this point in his life. He may yet come up with a better way of confronting this situation, and making amends of some sort, that will help to keep his personal failings from totally eclipsing his career accomplishments.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:27 am
Quote:
Whether or not Valdes-Rodriguez was right about the show’s influence on racial attitudes, there was another Huxtable Effect, one that’s been less discussed—even though it concerns a topic more front and center on The Cosby Show itself. The program spent little time openly discussing the race of its protagonists, but it frequently returned to the experience of matriarch Clair as a woman who not only maintained a successful career while raising five children but who refused to suffer gladly any fools who questioned her ability to do so. If The Cosby Show’s racial politics were merely implied, its gender politics were clear, pointed, and decidedly progressive. Everyone was so busy making a fuss over the show’s blackness that relatively few noted, at the time, that Cosby had smuggled proud and vocal feminism into the country’s most popular family sitcom.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2014/09/clair_huxtable_feminist_hero_the_cosby_show_wife_revisited_on_30th_anniversary.html

It is going to kill the feminists to talk against Bill Cosby, a man that has done so much for them.

Black male battering ram for the feminists/ lifetime raper of women using hard core rape drugs as his tool. BOTH.

Perfect!

EDIT: I have said before and I will say it again that I expect that something like this is going on with Joe Biden as well.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:46 am
@hawkeye10,
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He is a 77 yo black man


Forget colour. ALL of these guys are being caught out in their 70's... One is in jail as we speak... Rolf Harris....

Pisses me that they "thought" being famous was their ticket, "I'll pay them to shut up"..

We live in a different age "finally"... For too long women have had to shut up because of fear no one would believe them, or fear of the money could mean also a hit man.

Think about it..
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:49 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
"I'll pay them to shut up"..


That is still murky, but it looks like Cosby went the other way, " You say that and my 20 $2k a hour lawyers will tear your life apart, and I will pull every string I have to make sure you never work again".

We shall see.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:52 am
@hawkeye10,
I'm pretty sure that she got a payout. The first one to complain.. Have to google tomorrow when I get a chance.. 12hrs today working, I can't focus.

But, you know what, if that's true? Even worse........................

But wait... Janice Dickenson did she work after this occurred, yes she did, bet your azz she did..

If that occurred, that I think was before this person that was either paid out or fazed out........

Again, need to have time to check.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 02:58 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
But wait... Janice Dickenson did she work after this occurred, yes she did, bet your azz she did..


I think all of the women so far kept their mouths shut for a very long time.

This story blew up fast and it is going to take journalists a bit to dig through 30 years and all of these people to get some idea of what the truth is. They are not used to doing journalism work anymore, as they are mostly PR messengers. They are out of practice.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 03:40 am
@FOUND SOUL,
When the extent of Jimmy Savile's crimes came to light, people asked the same questions. There were murmurs and rumours, but that was about it. Savile chose his victims very carefully, children, mental health patients, in short people who thought they wouldn't be believed. And there's also the daunting prospect of taking on a well loved establishment figure. "You'll never work in this town again," still carries a lot of weight.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 04:08 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

This story blew up fast and it is going to take journalists a bit to dig through 30 years and all of these people to get some idea of what the truth is...

You just didn't pay attention until now. This story blew up 9 years ago, and it's periodically resurfaced since then. There is nothing new about any of this, except the list of accusers keeps growing longer, although it was up to 13 or 14 even by 2005.

Cosby settled one civil law suit, from an accuser, 8 years ago, for an undisclosed sum. Some others received money or payments of some sort.

This article is 8 years old.
Quote:
December 18, 2006
Bill Cosby Under Fire
By Alex Tresniowski

The Comedian Settles a Case Accusing Him of Sexual Abuse—but Other Women Make Similar Claims

Bill Cosby takes the stage, plops in a chair and kicks off his shoes. Nearly 3,000 college students packed into the Landmark Theatre in Syracuse, N.Y., cheer wildly. For two hours on Nov. 10, one of America's most beloved entertainers treats the crowd to his trademark brand of curmudgeonly comedy, much of it having to do with the perils of being young in a challenging world. "For college seniors there should be a week of being allowed to cry," says Cosby, 69. "Just break down and cry because you are scared and don't know what's next."

What Cosby never mentioned was the civil lawsuit he settled just two days earlier with Andrea Constand, 32, a former Temple University employee who claimed Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her in his Philadelphia-area mansion in 2004. Constand's lawyers Dolores Troiani and Bebe Kivitz ended up with 13 witnesses, most referred to in court documents as "Jane Does," who came forward voluntarily with strikingly similar claims of drugging and or abuse by Cosby. Terms of the settlement, reached before any of the women could testify, were not disclosed. But PEOPLE reporters have interviewed five of the women and share three of their stories now.

As in so many cases alleging sexual assault, these women make imperfect witnesses. They are talking about events two or three decades old. Many of their recollections are fragmentary, and in some cases, they are not even sure what happened between them and Cosby, though that is not unusual in cases where a possible date-rape drug is involved. None of the women ever contacted police with their stories, either at the time of the alleged assaults or in the years leading up to Constand's revelations, and two of the five women reached by PEOPLE allowed Cosby to pay part or all of their travel and/or living expenses for some time. Three accepted cash from him years after the incidents, and two even went on to have consensual relationships with him.

But none of them stand to profit from suing Cosby for monetary damages; the statute of limitations on all their charges has expired. And their stories, which take place in several cities and span two decades, illustrate the same pattern of behavior, primarily the accusation that Cosby, then one of the most powerful entertainers alive, targeted them because they were vulnerable and gained their trust by promising to help their careers. PEOPLE contacted Cosby to get his response to the allegations; through his longtime publicist David Brokaw, Cosby said he had no comment.

The stories these women tell paint a disturbing picture of one of the country's most likeable comedians: a man many Americans know as Cliff Huxtable, America's favorite dad on The Cosby Show (the No. 1 show on TV for five straight years), and a man who remains a crusader for education and personal responsibility (see box). In 2002 Cosby was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Although he admitted to an affair with Shawn Upshaw in 1997 (Upshaw's daughter Autumn Jackson claimed Cosby was her father, which was never proven, and she then served time for extortion), he has been married since 1964 to Camille, 62. The Cosbys had five children; son Ennis was killed in an attempted robbery in 1997.

Andrea Constand met Cosby when she was director of operations for the women's basketball program at Temple, Cosby's alma mater. In 2005 she told police that one year earlier, Cosby had invited her to his Cheltenham home, gave her pills when she complained she was stressed and, after she got dizzy, began "touching her breast and placing her hand on his penis," according to a police report. Cosby's attorney Walter M. Phillips Jr. called the charges "preposterous," and Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor, Jr., citing "insufficient credible and admissible evidence," decided not to press criminal charges.

But news reports about Constand's subsequent civil suit are what coaxed Barbara Bowman, 39, out of hiding. The Denver-area native—who first told her story to Philadelphia magazine in November—was an 18-year-old model and aspiring actress in 1985, when her agent Jo Farrell arranged for her to meet Cosby. "It was overwhelmingly exciting," remembers Bowman, whose first meeting with Cosby took place at a comedy club in Denver. "He questioned me quite extensively about my personal history, my relationship with my father. My father abandoned me when I was 14." She says now, "In hindsight I look back and I realize what he was doing. He was getting information of where my vulnerabilities lay." In that first meeting, she claims Cosby gave her an acting exercise that struck her as disturbing: "He wanted me to imagine fully that I was inebriated, that I was out of control, drunk or drugged.... He wanted me to just slump in my chair, and he wanted my limbs to be limp, and he would whisper in my ear what he wanted." After Farrell arranged for her to move to New York City, Cosby continued to mentor her and even introduced her to costars Phylicia Rashad and Lisa Bonet. "I trusted him totally," says Bowman's mother, Pat Hubbard, 68. "Who wouldn't trust and love Dr. Huxtable?"

It was in a hotel in Reno, claims Bowman, that Cosby assaulted her one night in 1986. "He took my hand and his hand over it, and he masturbated with his hand over my hand," says Bowman, who, although terrified, kept quiet about the incident and continued as Cosby's protégé because, she says, "Who's gonna believe this? He was a powerful man. He was like the president." Before long she was alone with Cosby again in his Manhattan townhouse; she was given a glass of red wine, and "the next thing I know, I'm sick and I'm nauseous and I'm delusional and I'm limp and ... I can't think straight.... And I just came to, and I'm wearing a [men's] T-shirt that wasn't mine, and he was in a white robe."

A month or two later, she was in Atlantic City and says she was given another glass of red wine and felt "completely doped up again." Confused, Bowman somehow made it back to her room, but the next day Cosby summoned her to his suite. After she arrived, Bowman says, Cosby "threw me on the bed and braced his arm under my neck so I couldn't move my head, and he started trying to take his clothes off. I remember all the clinking of his belt buckle. And he was trying to take my pants down, and I was trying to keep them on." Bowman says that not long after she resisted the assault, Cosby cut off contact with her and had her escorted to the airport for a flight back to Denver. She didn't tell authorities about what happened, but she did approach an attorney who "wouldn't take it seriously," says Margo Singagliese, 52, the friend who went with her to see the lawyer.

Bowman vowed not to let her experiences with Cosby ruin her life. The stay-at-home mom is married to a partner in a private asset-management firm; they have a young son and daughter and live in a Phoenix suburb. Still, when Bowman heard about Constand's lawsuit, "I said, 'I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit in silence anymore.'" She contacted authorities and got in touch with Constand's lawyer.

By then another accuser had already come forward. Tamara Green, 58, a former trial attorney who first told her story to the Philadelphia Daily News, says she was a young aspiring model when a doctor she knew introduced her to Cosby in 1970. One day Cosby asked her to lunch, and when "I told him I felt awful, he gave me what he said were Contac," Green recalls. "Suddenly I felt like I was stoned out of my mind." She says Cosby took her to her apartment and "started taking off my clothes. He had his pants down and was all over me." Green resisted and Cosby left. She went on to build a successful career as an attorney and is now only handling appeals. In 2004 the State Bar of California disciplined her for attorney misconduct. "People wonder why I didn't come forward sooner," says Green, who is now divorced with one grown son. "There's no rulebook on how you're supposed to handle something like this."

Her story is similar to the one told by Beth Ferrier, who was a model and recent college grad when Jo Farrell introduced her to Cosby in the mid-'80s. "I was very vulnerable," says the Colorado native, whose father had died and who had just survived a serious car crash. Cosby "came on as a mentor, almost a father figure," she says. "He was there to help me with everything." But then one night, after drinking a cappuccino in his dressing room in Denver, she claims she blacked out. "I woke up in my car in the parking lot with my clothes all a mess," she says, still not sure exactly what transpired. "It's one of the pieces that keeps bothering me. I was definitely drugged. All I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning. Then I wake up with my clothes a mess and my bra unhooked. I wondered, I still wonder, 'What did he do with me? Why was my bra unhooked? What happened?'" When she later asked Cosby about the incident, "He said, 'We'll never speak of this again.'"

Ferrier, then separated from her college sweetheart, divorced in 1985 and, she says, began an on-and-off consensual affair with Cosby that lasted several years. "He kept luring me in," she says. "I felt like I couldn't say no." Now a single mother of three and living in Denver, Ferrier, 47, says her experience with Cosby made it hard for her to trust other men. "She was so burdened by this," says her friend Lee Vittner, an escrow manager who says she first heard Ferrier's story five years ago. "Cosby is powerful, but not being the only one out there made coming forward a little less scary for Beth."

PEOPLE asked Jo Farrell about introducing Ferrier and Bowman to Cosby; now retired from show business and working as an image consultant, she says she only supplied Cosby with tapes and portfolios of her clients. "He wanted to look at children and girls for his show," says Farrell, 75. "I wasn't in on personal interviews."

Some of those who know Bill Cosby well say the charges are hard to believe. "Bill is good-hearted, he really is," says his longtime friend and former journalist Chuck Stone. "He and Camille are very close." The women, however, say that by coming forward they have begun to lift their burdens and, they hope, prevented others from suffering the same fate. "This isn't some vendetta against Bill Cosby," says Beth Ferrier. "But he needs to get help, and he needs to stop taking advantage of women."
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20059561,00.html


Just as the story tended to fade off the radar before, that may yet happen again...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 04:18 am
@firefly,
Michael Jackson managed to keep his accusers at bay well enough.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2014 08:13 am
@firefly,
i'm pretty surprised by how surprised folks are, this story has been around on and off for about 10 years now, it might fade away this time, but it appears to be doing more damage to Cosby than ever before, he's booked a tour date in a city near me for January and many groups there are already calling for boycotts
 

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