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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 20 Nov, 2014 06:28 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I'm waiting for that other creep BillRM to show and insist all the women agreed to be drugged, so it was consensual. They were just unhappy that he put their shoes on the wrong feet.




here you go

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Southern Palm Beach County resident Therese Serignese said she was 19 years old when she met Cosby at a Las Vegas hotel gift shop in 1976. "He said, 'You want to come see my show?' And I thought that was great. I said, 'Sure,'" she said.

Serignese, 57, went to see Cosby perform. After his act, Serignese was invited backstage, where, she said, the comedian drugged her. "Everybody was gone, and it was me sitting on the couch, and he came out with a glass of water and held out his hand, and he had two white, large pills in his hand, and he simply said, 'Take these,' and I did," she said.

Serignese said she ended up in Cosby's hotel room, where, she said, she was raped. "Next memory I had was, I felt drugged, and Bill Cosby was having sex with me," she said.

http://www.wsvn.com/story/27434060/palm-beach-woman-alleges-bill-cosby-drugged-raped-her

If a guy offers you drugs and you take them without caring enough to ask what they are then you should lose the right to be a victim of those drugs. I have had my fill of extremely stupid and/or careless people claiming to be victims and calling other people abusers.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 06:29 pm
@firefly,
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And having to do a live performance tomorrow couldn't be worse timing
I still dont think it will happen.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 06:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's a sold out performance, so he really has to show up tomorrow.

The theater said they will have police on hand to deal with any protestors who might gather outside if they become too disruptive.

Personally, I think protesting outside the theater makes little sense, and it can involve harassing ticket holders who are entitled to see him perform. If people want to express their negative feelings about him, they can just not buy tickets to his shows, and continue to vent their feelings through the social media.

He seems to be arousing more disappointment than real anger.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 06:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
What a load of bollocks, 'alcohol deception' could mean something as innocuous as passing off cheap plonk as vintage Bordeaux. It does not portray action or intent, and there's nothing remotely stark about it.

Don't try to talk about the meaning of words, because you really haven't got a ******* clue.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 06:51 pm
@firefly,
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It's a sold out performance, so he really has to show up tomorrow.
Buffalo Bills have been running 95% sold out yet the teams will not show up sunday.

Your logic fails.
firefly
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 07:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Buffalo Bills have been running 95% sold out yet the teams will not show up sunday.

Your logic fails.

Buffalo is buried in about 7 feet of snow, with more to come by Sunday, and the conditions there are downright dangerous.

Cosby's one man show in Florida tomorrow is 100% sold out, and there is no reason to cancel it, unless he's too ill to perform, and there is no indication of that.

Your example of the Buffalo Bills is completely irrelevant.

You display no logic nor common sense.
djjd62
 
  1  
Thu 20 Nov, 2014 07:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
well there's art and then there's The Cosby Show, i have no problem watching and enjoying everything Woody Allen has done, i only rarely watched TCS when it was on, and certainly have no inclination to watch it now if it was on somewhere

i still quite like the Cosby albums Why Is There Air? and Wonderfulness
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glitterbag
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 07:59 pm
@firefly,
Firefly, is it just me or do you also hear the melody "dueling banjos" and picture the inbred characters portrayed in "Deliverance" every time hawkeye opens his semi toothless yap.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 20 Nov, 2014 08:04 pm
@CalamityJane,
You explained it well; there was something - a gut feeling - that something was wrong about this guy. I couldn't put my finger on it until I read your post.

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firefly
 
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Fri 21 Nov, 2014 07:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I still dont think it will happen.


Well, great prognosticator, as usual you were wrong. Cosby's show in Florida went on today as planned.
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More Cosby Shows Canceled as Women Allege Rape
MELBOURNE, Fla. — Nov 21, 2014,
By MATT SEDENSKY Associated Press

Performances by Bill Cosby in Nevada, Illinois, Arizona, South Carolina and Washington State have been canceled as more women come forward accusing the entertainer of sexually assaulting them many years ago.

The director of The Broadway Center in Tacoma, Washington said Friday that it has canceled Cosby's April 18 appearance because it conflicts with the nonprofit organization's mission "to strengthen our community's social fabric by building empathy, furthering education and sharing joy."

"We were not confident in our ability to meet those objectives by proceeding with Mr. Cosby's performance," David Fischer said.

Cosby's lawyer has said claims by four women are untrue; a statement from Cosby on Sunday dismissed most of the others as "decade-old, discredited allegations."

A sold-out Cosby comedy show in Melbourne, Florida, Friday night went on as planned. The 77-year-old comedian, wearing cargo pants and a shirt that said "Hello Friend," took the stage to a standing ovation and loud applause. One person shouted, "We love you Bill."

Outside the theater, one protester held a sign that read, "Rape is no joke."

Julie Lemaitre, 47, of Rockledge, Florida, said she was there just to have a presence and to try to say to people attending "think about what you're doing."

Cosby's producers said at least 29 other shows remain on his schedule through May 2015.

Other shows were canceled, though. Officials at the Treasure Island hotel and casino on the Las Vegas strip said Friday they mutually agreed with the comedian to cancel his Nov. 28 performance. No reason was given by the Diamond Desert casino in Tucson, Arizona, for canceling his Feb. 15 show.

Two other appearances, scheduled for April in Champaign, Illinois, also were called off Friday, as were February shows in Reno, Nevada, and in Florence, South Carolina.

A few fans in Florida, though, said they were at the Maxwell C. King Center For The Performing Arts to see good comedy and that the accusations didn't influence them.

"Let them prove it. It's old accusations," said Paul Palmieri, 47, of Melbourne, who said he was ready to see "the king of comedy."

Jim Millican, 67, of Cocoa, Florida, agreed.

"The press has tried him," he said, noting that prosecutors didn't bring charges. "These women if they want to settle it, they should settle it in court."

Still, projects on NBC and Netflix have been canceled, and TV Land decided not to air reruns of "The Cosby Show" after recent allegations by more than six women that Cosby sexually assaulted them after giving them pills many years ago.

Josette Tornabene, 24, of Melbourne said she bought her ticket Friday for the show there, motivated by a radio station that was offering $1,000 to interrupt the performance. Before the show, an announcer warned that such a disruption was possible.

"I wanted to see someone call him out," she said. "I want to see him be held accountable."
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/bill-cosbys-arizona-show-canceled-amid-scandal-27080814
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 21 Nov, 2014 07:38 pm
@firefly,
Ya, it appears that this community of elderly whites cant bring themselves to condemn a nigger, even for allegedly assaulting a lot of (mostly very young?) women using rape drugs.

Too bad for you the people around these parts tend to be R's. So much for the claim that R's hate black people.
firefly
 
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Fri 21 Nov, 2014 08:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
This writer has a quite different view of it than you do...his is considerably better thought out and expressed than yours.
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Editor's note: Marc Lamont Hill is a CNN political commentator and distinguished professor of African-American studies at Morehouse College. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

Cosby controversy: 6 signs of rape culture
By Marc Lamont Hill, CNN Political Commentator
November 20, 2014

(CNN) -- Over the past few weeks, new attention has been paid to longstanding allegations that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted multiple women over the course of his career. As new information and accusers are brought to light, we are reminded of an unshakable feature of American life: rape culture.

By "rape culture," I refer to the ways that our society and its institutions normalize, promote, excuse, and enable sexual violence against men and women. While I cannot definitively say that Cosby is guilty of the crimes of which he is accused, the conversation about him epitomizes some of the most pernicious aspects of rape culture.

Patriarchy

For decades, reports of Cosby's alleged sexual misconduct have circulated in private circles and, more recently, mainstream media outlets. Despite report after report, often from credible sources, the general public has failed to take the stories seriously. That was, of course, until male comedian Hannibal Buress raised the rape allegations during a two-minute comedy skit last month.

This is not a coincidence, but rather a key feature of rape culture, which diminishes the legitimacy of women's voices and truth claims. By privileging the perspectives of men, who have a material investment in the maintenance of gender injustice, we allow rape culture to survive and thrive. In this case, it is entirely reasonable to assume that if Buress (or another man) hadn't made the claims publicly, we would still be talking about Cosby as America's favorite father rather than a possible sociopath.

Denial

In the face of horrific evidence against Bill Cosby, most Americans simply elected to look the other way. From fans to industry executives to his latest biographer, we all committed to denying the existence of consistent rape allegations throughout Cosby's career.

Of course, part of this is about the unique position that Cosby holds in the public imagination. After all, who wants to believe that America's most beloved father and black America's socio-moral steward could be a depraved serial rapist?

But it's deeper than that. We live in a society where even the most ordinary and anonymous of accused rapists is offered the benefit of social and legal doubt. This is why we're quick to chalk up rapes, particularly acquaintance rapes, as "misunderstandings" or "miscommunications" rather than the crimes that they are.

Blaming the victim

Rather than offering criticism of Cosby's alleged actions, many have chosen to focus on the behavior of the accusers. Why were they alone with him in the first place? What were they wearing? How can they cry rape if they had consensual sex with him in the past? Why didn't they do more to physically fight him off?

This sensibility can be seen in my colleague Don Lemon's interview with Joan Tarshis, when he asked her why she didn't use her teeth to defend herself from Cosby's alleged sexual assault. Lemon responded to discussion of the interview Wednesday with an apology, saying "As I am a victim myself I would never want to suggest that any victim could have prevented a rape." Still, when such questions are raised, even by victims of sexual assault, we reinforce one of the dominant narratives of rape culture: "If you get raped, it's at least partially your own fault."

Perpetuating myths

Some people have pointed to Cosby's public persona, philanthropy, and other positive attributes to refute the rape allegations. Others have pointed to the personal nature of his relationships with his accusers as proof that he is not a rapist.

Such gestures are commonly used to reinforce the myth that rapists are strangers, social outcasts or part of a seedy criminal class. The normalization of rape in our society hinges on these deeply ingrained lies about the nature of sexual violence.

In truth, most rapes don't happen in dark alleys, nor are they usually perpetrated by unknown actors. Rape occurs among co-workers, classmates, family members and even spouses. And rapists can be doctors, lawyers, judges, priests and, yes, professional comedians. This doesn't mean that Bill Cosby is guilty -- that is for courts to decide -- but it does mean that his personal biography and achievements do not make him innocent.

Trivializing sexual violence

In the past few days, footage of Bill Cosby's old comedy routines has begun to circulate around the Internet. One clip worthy of extreme concern was his 1969 "Spanish fly" routine, where he jokes about the erotic effects of slipping a substance into women's drinks.

Of course, this is far from a smoking gun. In all likelihood Cosby saw no connection between this standup routine, which was wildly popular among fans and critics, and rape culture. Unfortunately, that is precisely the point. Jokes about Spanish fly, pro-rape college chants and nearly universal axioms about "not dropping the soap" in prison are all part of a perverted cultural logic that minimizes the immorality, illegality, and trauma of rape.

Turning rapists Into victims

Over the past week, Cosby has received support from a unlikely coalition of people. Black radicals have argued that Cosby is being attacked because of white supremacist antipathy toward successful black men. Many of the same liberals who ran to Ferguson, Missouri, hours after Michael Brown's death, criticizing our dysfunctional justice system and demanding immediate justice, are now preaching the virtues of patience and due process. Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh have claimed that Cosby is being punished by the liberal media for his righteous moral crusades against the black community.

Few things can unite America's warring political factions like a commitment to shielding men from accountability for sexual violence.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/opinion/hill-bill-cosby-case-rape-culture/
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 21 Nov, 2014 08:23 pm
@firefly,
Sounds a lot more reasonable than anything hawk presented. But that's not anything new. LOL
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ehBeth
 
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Fri 21 Nov, 2014 10:35 pm
@firefly,
that last sentence really hits home
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Fri 21 Nov, 2014 11:50 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

that last sentence really hits home


You are delusional. If the allegations are true then we are talking about Cosby bad behavior mostly 30-40 years ago. You might recall that even I, a person who has deep hostility towards the Feminists and their government partners for abusing men with sex law agree that during that time in American history we had a problem with sexual assault. We long ago fixed it. Cosby and other powerful people might now evade sex law like they tend to do all law because our system is corrupt, but it is not because the nation is looking the other way when sexual assault happens. If anything our problem is that we over react to sex crime that we imagine is taking place, there is not a problem of avoiding to hold men accountable.

FOUND SOUL
 
  1  
Sat 22 Nov, 2014 03:09 am
@hawkeye10,
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Cosby and other powerful people might now evade sex law like they tend to do all law because our system is corrupt, but it is not because the nation is looking the other way when sexual assault happens. If anything our problem is that we over react to sex crime that we imagine is taking place, there is not a problem of avoiding to hold men accountable.


Maybe, because your system is wrong, but thus far Rolf Harris is in jail, 4 years bet he's out earlier, the guy from Hey Dad, Robert Hughes is serving up to 10 years. 10 years? Why because he's 65?

And Bill Cosby....
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Unlike other recent examples of historic complaints being prosecuted, including against Australian actor and Hey Dad! star Robert Hughes, it’s unlikely Cosby will ever face jail.

In the United States, there’s a time limit on bringing legal proceedings before courts in what’s referred to as a statute of limitations.



And, so he gets to live in his Mansion, with a sickening feeling of loss, loss of all respect until he dies. I'd say he won.


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Accuser Barbara Bowman offered a sickening analysis of Cosby's alleged tactics in Vice on Monday:

He needs weak, powerless, controllable women who won't fight back or who can't fight back. By introducing drugs into the mixture and doping up women, he puts you into a position where you can't do anything. You do not have any control. I've had some victims reach out to me since the Daily Mail article came out, random women who are also victims of Bill Cosby who are not documented, who found me and reached out to me and gave me their story who will not talk. I'm working on them, but they will not talk. Some of them escaped by crawling out of the door and crawling into the street and somehow getting home, barely conscious.


Paying off these women, shoving them aside, protecting your image, continuing, having an affair for years with one lady, a womanist, drugging women so he can get what he wants, from them, knowing the Law...

I'd say he's the worse of the whole three together.

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If anything our problem is that we over react to sex crime that we imagine is taking place, there is not a problem of avoiding to hold men accountable.


With all due respect, I doubt you drugged women for sex, you just introduced "your" desires to those that would engage and continue to do so. Your problem is you live in a World where it's black, dark, and surrounded by those like-minded so you can't see sex crimes, you see sex and abuse as normal, if consensual.


These women don't live in your World, they don't take abuse, so why should they take his?

It was NEVER consensual.

Weak man who can't get what he wants so drugs them, a dead **** if you will, let's face it.. He was meant to have charisma, yet, 14 women thus far and others that refuse to come out and speak, were all unable to do anything. Though I read some crawled to the door managed to get away... A Sadist would like to see that, the weak...

Sometimes what comes out of your thought patterns seems to me to be one sided...

Bill Cosby's intentions were also one sided.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 22 Nov, 2014 03:17 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Weak man who can't get what he wants so drugs them,

No, Cosby did not need to drug women to get whatever sex he wanted. From first reports, if they are true, we know that this is a kink of Cosby's, drugging young women and taking them without consent was the point.

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Bowman's account mentions that during their first encounter he asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be drunk while he stroked her, an incident similar to those recounted by other accusers.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

I think it is pretty clear too that another major part of this for him was being able to get a woman more than once..as in "OK, now you know what I am about, and I am STILL going to get you again".

This reinforces my long held belief that the best comedians are all twisted fucks.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 22 Nov, 2014 03:30 am
@hawkeye10,
Actually Found you might have hit upon why nobody spoke for so long and when they did why no one believed them. OBVIOUSLY Cosby did not need to drug anyone, and he has a lot to lose by doing it, no way could that have happened. But there was no way Tiger Woods could rationally do what he did either, this is not about reason, this is about erotic kink, this is about feeling the heart what it needs even though the consequences could be catastrophic.

THe tales these women tell are fantastical. They also to my ear sound true.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 22 Nov, 2014 03:32 am
@hawkeye10,
****..................where do I throw up.

I also read where he took one of them "twice" and she realised the second time what occurred was real.

Twisted F is the right word for him "if true"...

There are Fantasies and acting out Fantasies but at the cost of someone's mental health, at the cost of their soul, at the cost of their careers even.... Selfish P comes to mind.

Thanks Hawk, I hadn't read that.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 22 Nov, 2014 03:37 am
@hawkeye10,
That's a point to. His crime is different than being a perv, touching up, thinking Money will talk, no semen, in the case of Harris and Hey Dad guy, for the most count. "Consensual sex" "prove it" "too late, no drugs in your system" ................Maybe I did.

Now I fear a "copy cat".... I think you are right, it's about an addiction though too .. Something he couldn't stop.

I wonder if his Mistress that he let go, in front of her Mother over dinner which the Mother thought was " good" , he let go for a reason, maybe he got more threats? I wonder if she will talk as she apparently "really loved him"...
 

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