Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

@hawkeye10,

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THe argument that trying to help the collective is a smart move just got whacked, because we are all imperfect, and we know now that we will all at the drop of a hat get hammered for our imperfections no matter our good deeds. Cosbys good deeds are practically ignored.

Firstly, you assume the Bill cares about your "collective", Hawk.

Your second assumption is that everybody's good efforts are going to be assessed along with the good doctor Huckstable's, rather than being assessed on their own merits. That's a broad bow to be drawing, champ.

As for Cosby's "good deeds" being ignored, you'd have to take into account that the whole nation is watching his bad deeds unfold, and move on from there, right?

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Whoopi Goldberg abandons Bill Cosby defense: All information ‘points to guilt’
Nick Vadala, Philly.com
Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Whoopi Goldberg’s long-running defense of Bill Cosby in the wake of dozens of sexual assault allegations ended on The View today, with the co-host saying that “all the information … points to guilt.”

Legal analyst Dan Abrams guested on today’s episode, with Goldberg having invited him to discuss the legal elements of rape cases due to her having been “taking a lot of heat” over her Cosby defense.

Ultimately, Abrams informed Goldberg about the concept of statutes of limitations — something with which she was apparently unfamiliar.

“I always thought that rape cases were open-ended,” Goldberg said. “You’re saying that all that is left to these women is the court of public opinion. What we have learned is there’s no recourse for these women except what they’re doing.”

Following that, Goldberg announced her change in stance on Cosby’s innocence.

“If this is to be tried in the court of public opinion,” she said, “I’ve got to say all of the information that’s out there kind of points to guilt.”

She then went on to call Cosby a “serial rapist.”...

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Whoopi-Goldberg-abandons-Bill-Cosby-defense-All-information-points-to-guilt.html#IsqKfZB9LprPGKRX.99

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@firefly,

It does appear that Cosby is going to have to get used to being retired. It appears that his family and close friends are sticking with him, so it should not be too unpleasant. He enriched a lot of peoples lives, hopefully he feels good about that. And he made the most of his talent, another thing that few people do.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye.

In this World, people do good.

In this World, people do bad.

Let's look at this shall we?

Cosby got famous by his wit. A wit that he learnt to use to hide behind as an awkward teenager which made people laugh and as a result he continued as a Comedian.

That awarded him even more laughs and so History shows us a famous Comedian.

His ego now being so high, that and marrying a 19 year old in his 30's, boosting that ego even higher, awarded him to use his funds to, well, boost his ego even higher. Cosby the Saint.

Clever really.

Because, Cosby the Saint, I mean what woman being drugged and raped or drugged and forced to give a blow job is going be believed by the World that this Saintly man did this. Might as well put baby in the corner.

And, that is what those women did.

Until one day, someone decided to "again" stand for her rights after all no one believed her 30 years ago and that Saint fell and is falling further to the extent that he never did any good. Like everything Cosby did, it was to hide behind something, only this time the bastard got caught out in all of those lies..

The hit on his ego, I'd be watching him in jail.. All he lived for was ego.

The end.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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All he lived for was ego.

call me crazy but I dont care why people do good public works, I only care that they do them. AND I take the measure of a man by the whole of the man, not the worst thing that he is accused of.

And ya, that makes me a better person than you and everyone else in this thread.

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@hawkeye10,

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And ya, that makes me a better person than you and everyone else in this thread.

You are right again.

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@coldjoint,

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And ya, that makes me a better person than you and everyone else in this thread.

You are right again.

These ******* liberals and their idiotic moral relativism....They should have known that they were off the rails back in the 60's when they adopted it. These ******* boomers are going to go to their graves not understanding how stupid they are. It is a shame. Sorry, but we are not in fact all great.

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@hawkeye10,

And from everything I know or seriously suspect Bill Cosby is by far a better man than most.

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@hawkeye10,

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These ******* boomers are going to go to their graves not understanding how stupid they are.

They will be better off than the people they leave here that will suffer because of their stupidity.

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@hawkeye10,

That makes sense.

I mean he has an ego so large.
You have an ego so large.

Ok...

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

That makes sense.

I mean he has an ego so large.
You have an ego so large.

Ok...

The universe does not bend to my will.....this has nothing to do with me.

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@hawkeye10,

The Universe and what you put out there, comes to you, if you believe yes?

So Cosby believed he could get away with drugging women, sleeping with them, or getting them to do him "favours" because he believed he'd get away with it.

Hawkeye. Nothing wrong with people in agreement.

This is not the case and you know it, so stop defending a rapist.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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, so stop defending a rapist.

And the opinion that rape does not necessarily rub out good works done by the rapist is of course "defending a rapist".

And pointing out that during the years that most of the accusations of transgression happened were during a time when what Cosby is being accused of would not have been considered rape is of course " defending a rapist".

Oh and one more thing....I am a free man, I defend who I choose to defend, I don't take orders on the matter.

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@hawkeye10,

Spits the dummy.

This type of thinking of "time" at a time when drugs were free is only 50% correct and you know it.

Consensual sex has never been any in-different to that of non-consensual.

You astound me because in my opinion you are suggesting that ah, pfttt, there were drugs everywhere bad luck to any woman who happened to come across a guy that slipped something in her drink or tricked her by pretending to be a mentor and caring. There was no such thing as rape back then.

It IS/WAS considered rape just like other reported rapes that occurred in the 60's and 70's whereby people were caught.

Like I stated, his ego led him to believe that no one, would ever say a word...

Again, now you are suggesting we are with the times and consequently we as women and men that have been raped can now speak..

But off course in your opinion you will continue to defend a rapist because he did some good in the world ( via his ego) and you will continue to refuse to acknowledge that for the most part of those 47 thus far that have come forward (minus the liers) that they did not willingly take a drug from Cosby knowing that as a result his intent was to have his way with them in what ever fashion he felt fit based on what he felt like, at, that, time.

So that's your opinion.

I call it stupid.

Sorry

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@FOUND SOUL,

you are ignorant

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By all accounts Quaalude was a very enjoyable drug. It had a (largely undeserved) reputation as unusually safe, medical-sanctioned, and fun, which helped straight arrows like my relative feel it was acceptable to try it. And it was cool and sexy -- the "love drug," remember. It seemed like a drug with a future, already a good way down the well-trodden path from the medicine cabinet to an enduring niche on the street.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/quaalude-nostalgia-a-retro-drug-that-everyone-remembers-fondly/252285/

If a female showed up at FUZZ HG claiming to have been raped after taking the "love drug" it was assumed that she took it on purpose, and it was believed that anything that happened to her after that was her own damn fault.

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@hawkeye10,

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....it was believed that anything that happened to her after that was her own damn fault.

You're living in the same fantasy world that Bill lives in, Hawk.

Talk a young girl into trying something new; overdose her; and blame her for taking too much.

Raping her while she's comatose is just one of those things that happens when you take too much, right?

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@hawkeye10,

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But, somewhere along the way, someone found out that Quaaludes had another very interesting — though unintended — effect. If you took a pill, and then resisted the urge to sleep, it suddenly kicked in to give you a high so intense that the word most often used to describe it is "epic". Its effects were a combination of euphoria, sociability, drowsiness, loss of inhibition, and extreme sexual desire, in both men and women

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-01-26/news/46636461_1_party-drug-indian-link-indian-scientist

I am going with the theory that Hef and Cosby tried to get ludes into women not because they wanted to rape them, but because they wanted wild sex romps. And since the drug was so often used by the people who took them to try to induce wild sex romps this is a reasonable assumption. If Cosby was spiking drinks with ludes then he was wrong, but that was not an act that would have gotten him in trouble at the time had it been reported to the state, so I think he has to get a pass.

Anyone who wants to have me take the stories of rape seriously needs to talk to be about stuff that happened after ludes were off the market, and after the definition of rape changed in the early 80's. There are at least a few such accusations.

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@hawkeye10,

There is a Rape Thread for that.

The girls knew what they were taking with Hef, get a grip. They wanted a career they did what they needed to do, thought that they "had" to do, in order to do so.

Cosby was a dark horse, he took what Hef did and made it his own.. The difference being these girls (17) remember not women and women that he knew and women he stalked and followed or are you forgetting that? They were not at the Mansion, they were waitresses or script writers or the likes and he took Hef's little play a whole lot further.

Stalker
Rapist

If you want to talk serious about Cosby then talk about him, not Rapists, not Hef, and do me a favour and do what most of us have done, read up on it all.

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@hawkeye10,

Found Soul is not ignorant - but you are an idiot!

You try to justify rape in any worst way. It won't happen - the law and society has very clear definitions of what is rape and what is not, regardless of what you think. You are among the twisted 1 % who should be locked up.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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The difference being these girls (17) remember not women and women that he knew and women he stalked and followed or are you forgetting that?

Are you forgetting the light sentence that Polanski was expecting to get and was originally programed to get for having sex with a 13 year old after giving her ludes and alcohol? Are you forgetting that at the time a fair number of people objected to this case being in the legal system at all, they thinking that Polanski should get a complete walk?

You are continually applying 2015 standards to 1970's acts, which is unjust. Drugged sex was not considered a crime in most cases, and having sex with older teens was not considered an act that the law cared about in most cases. And spiking drinks was not an act that the law cared much about in most cases. And I think his wife is fully correct that most of the women knew damn well what Cosby wanted them to take and did it willingly, for what ever reason. At least during the Ludes era.

It looks to me that what got Cosby is that after he got older he missed the 60's and 70's, and he tried to recreate the fun with other drugs and after the nations views on rape had changed. I dont however buy the story that he was out to hurt women, and given that he went almost his whole life not getting jammed up with his kinky desires I doubt that women were very much hurt.

I also think that were we are now is about the right place to end this, he had to end his career early, and his reputation is tarnished. I do however want to be able to see his work.

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