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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
CalamityJane
 
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Sat 11 Jul, 2015 08:51 pm
Don't get lost in small technicalities - Cosby knew what he was doing and it is very unfortunate that these women haven't come forward way back when.
He could have been roasting in prison for all these years and while it's still
important to get his sorry ass into prison, he's an old sick man, it won't make such a dent now.

http://i.imgur.com/7aGS0Pq.jpg
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 02:35 am
@CalamityJane,
Love that post CJ.

What an awesome capture of his "true" thoughts as well.

Like Rolf Harris, "who thinks he will be out of jail in a few months" and totally spat and spewed and showed the truth by sending a new song of total filth of hate for the women who sent him, ages people and so, you know.

I am sure Cosby at his age is only fighting now for his stance in this World as it is as Harris was and it's not going to happen, fully stripped with nothing to show worth looking at.

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firefly
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 02:56 am
@Ionus,
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Yes. And I repeat they are a tranquilizer not a sedative . Lying down can make someone sleep . It was used to enhance sex because of its "hypnotic" qualities.

No, that is incorrect.

Quaaludes are definitely sedatives/hypnotics--the primary reason they were prescribed was for insomnia because they induce sleep.
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Methaqualone, brand name Quaalude (sometimes stylized Quāālude[1]) /ˈkweɪluːd/ in the US and Mandrax in the UK, is a central nervous system (CNS) depressant of the quinazolinone class that acts as a sedative and hypnotic.

The sedative–hypnotic activity of methaqualone was first noted by researchers in the 1950s and in 1962 methaqualone itself was patented in the US by Wallace and Tiernan. Its use peaked in the early 1970s as a hypnotic, for the treatment of insomnia, and as a sedative and muscle relaxant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone


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Hypnotic (from Greek Hypnos, sleep) or soporific drugs, commonly known as sleeping pills are a class of psychoactive drugs whose primary function is to induce sleep and to be used in the treatment of insomnia (sleeplessness), or surgical anesthesia.

This group is related to sedatives. Whereas the term sedative describes drugs that serve to calm or relieve anxiety, the term hypnotic generally describes drugs whose main purpose is to initiate, sustain, or lengthen sleep. Because these two functions frequently overlap, and because drugs in this class generally produce dose-dependent effects (ranging from anxiolysis to loss of consciousness) they are often referred to collectively as sedative-hypnotic drugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotic


In addition, Cosby also admitted to giving women Benadryl, or pieces of Benadryl tablets, and those can also cause sleepiness as a side-effect, and he might have given these in combination with Quaalude, or given both in combination with alcohol, which would certainly have potentiated the effects of all of the substances and could definitely have induced sleep or unconsciousness.


Ionus
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 05:51 am
@firefly,
No, you are incorrect . They help someone to sleep by relaxing them . You might as well say a massage is a sedative . If taken before sex you have very little chance of falling asleep, the dosages issued were mild because it quickly became somewhat dangerous due to incorrect amounts . A lot of so called sleeping pills are given to relax because if a patient is exhausted excessive sedation can kill . The trick is to relax someone so natural processes will take over and the person will sleep . Wikipedia is in error . How can it be a hypnotic if you are unconscious so there is one obvious contradiction . It is a tranquilizer .
firefly
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 07:12 am
@Ionus,
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How can it be a hypnotic if you are unconscious so there is one obvious contradiction

I don't think you understand the correct meaning of hypnotic when it refers to medications or drugs...
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Hypnotics

Hypnotics are medications that cause sleep or partial loss of consciousness.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002376.htm

Sedation, medically, involves more than just relaxation as you are asserting. Quaalude is a central nervous system depressant, as is alcohol. In sufficient amounts, both can cause a loss of consciousness, and, if taken together, they can potentiate each other. When taken with alcohol and other types of depressants of brain and body function such as prescription pain medicines and some over-the-counter cold and allergy medications (like Benedryl), drugs like Quaalude can have additive depressant effects (additional slowing of brain and body function) that can lead to slow heart rate and reduced respiration and even death. The dangers of this drug were one reason it was banned.

There seems to be little doubt that Cosby may have used combinations or mixtures of meds like Quaalude, and Benadryl, along with alcohol, to cause women to fall asleep or pass out so that he could engage in sexual activity with them while they were passive and unaware--those substances are quite capable of inducing that effect. Someone given this sort of "cocktail" wouldn't be tranquilized, as in simply relaxed, they would be in an unconscious state, and sex with them would be rape.

BTW, I think the number of his accusers is now about 45.


Ionus
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 07:41 am
@firefly,
Sedatives are strictly the type used to render a patient unconscious for an operation . Tranquilizers take the edge of off stress so people can fall asleep naturally . It is dangerous to sedate a person who is very tired and hasnt slept . Doctors call them sedatives partly for placebo effect . Why do you think anesthetists get the big bucks ? Most prescribed sedatives are nothing of a sort...they are tranquilizers .

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Sedation, medically, involves more than just relaxation as you are asserting.
THAT is exactly what I am saying . We are in agreeance . It is not a sedative because it will not put the average person to sleep . They will stay awake but feel as if the sex has a surreal quality which they focus on .

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There seems to be little doubt that Cosby may have used combinations or mixtures of meds like Quaalude, and Benadryl, along with alcohol, to cause women to fall asleep or pass out so that he could engage in sexual activity with them
THAT is what I have been trying to find out . Where is a ref for that ? If he gave women enough to knock them out then he not only raped them he seriously threatened their lives .
farmerman
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 08:54 am
@firefly,
we seem to be trying his case and, not unreasonably, we seem to be separated in our offence or defense by our originalpolitical worlviews.

Cosby's world of being THE icon for black parenthood has been wiped away with all this notoriety.
His "Medal of Freedom" is being considered for revocation, building names, footprints of the star, murals etc etc are all being considered for similar fates. Thats even before the really big issues of civil settlements or possible criminal actions. As an old man who probably lives on his past honors, its gotta be a big fall for him. Now who's he going to preach to?

Whether we all consider Quaaludes a "breath mint" or a "candy mint" is kinda immaterial. I think Cosby should be kept on suicide watch
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firefly
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 08:54 am
@Ionus,
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THAT is exactly what I am saying . We are in agreeance . It is not a sedative because it will not put the average person to sleep . They will stay awake but feel as if the sex has a surreal quality which they focus on .

No, we are not in "agreeance", or, more accurately, in agreement, on this issue. Central nervous system depressants are not simply "tranquilizers".

Hypnotics prescribed to induce sleep, including Quaalude when it was available on the market, do put the average person to sleep. I never took Quaalude but I have taken other sleeping meds in the distant past--Seconal, Phenobarbital, Nembutal, Chloral Hydrate, etc. --they do more than just relax you so you can fall asleep, they induce sleep.

I remember the 70's well, and why some people used Quaaludes recreationally during that time, although most people I knew were not into using ludes. And no, according to no one I ever knew, Quaalude did not make sex feel as though it had a "surreal quality" which the drug user focused on. Like alcohol, and other CNS depressants, or downers, Quaalude, particularly in a dose below that sufficient to induce sleep, could have a dis-inhibitory effect which would make one feel emotionally and impulsively freer--simply less inhibited--and, for some women, that made sex feel more enjoyable although the Quaalude did nothing to directly enhance sexual sensations. A feeling of being high was sometimes attained by subjectively "fighting off" the sedative effects of Quaalude while engaging in some activity. Young men who had problems with premature ejaculation also sometimes took Quaalude to slow themselves down.

It's reasonable to assume that the 7 prescriptions Cosby obtained for Quaalude were for the alleged treatment of insomnia, which was the main use for the drug, and would, therefore, have been written for a dose sufficient to induce sleep. He also gave women alcohol and Benedryl, and we don't know what else he may have added to the mix--the 70's were also the heyday for Valium use--that might have contributed to his ability to knock a female out.
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If he gave women enough to knock them out then he not only raped them he seriously threatened their lives .

Yes, that might have been the case, particularly if he gave them cocktails that were mixtures of drugs combined with alcohol.


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farmerman
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 08:57 am
@CalamityJane,
cute. I hope they dont start showing pictures of him where he would wear sweatshirts fro various colleges.
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firefly
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 09:22 am
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firefly
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 09:23 am
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CalamityJane
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:33 am
Meantime: Cosby's wife Camille has her head in the sand very deep...

“Camille still doesn’t believe that Bill provided drugs and had sex with women without their consent,” said a source employed by the Cosby family. “She’s well aware of his cheating, but she doesn’t believe that her husband is a rapist.”
Camille says husband's accusers consented to drugs and sex. Oh, right!!
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Ionus
 
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Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:06 pm
Does anyone have a source apart from a "its good to feel angry and righteous" that Cosby had sex with unconscious women ?
Builder
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 02:52 pm
@Ionus,
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Does anyone have a source......that Cosby had sex with unconscious women ?


This article from AJC.com has names and dates. No conviction, of course, but it lists those settled out of court.

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Below is a list of the women who have come forward to accuse Cosby, complete with details from their interviews as well as video, where available. The accusations are in chronological order according to when the women came forward, starting in 2005, not when they said the assaults took place.


Bill's admission that he bought drugs to give to women for sex, will not go his way in future cases.


FOUND SOUL
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 04:04 pm
@Ionus,
I would think that you would be grossed out at that thought, that Cosby actually did this. He admitted to it in 2005 Ionus but only "1" woman and that's because he knew at that point or thought, that he could get away with only stating 1, you know like a mistake?

If you have time go and read up on all that you can. He had pills for everything on him in a suitcase. Sort of like, a pharmacist, "well this pill works for headaches take 1, well this pill works for upset stomach pain, take 2".. Maybe he wanted to be a pharmacist after all !!!!!

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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 07:45 pm
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Cosby's harangues were often ill-tempered and overly broad, but that they nevertheless spoke a valuable truth: African-American people need to be agents of African-American uplift.

Cosby will never again have the authority to deliver that message. And therein lies one of the great tragedies of this affair. A thing that needs saying has one less voice to say it. Nobody asked him to be a public moralist; he could have just told jokes, collected his pay and gone home. That's what Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld do and it seems to have worked out fine for them.

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/07/13/bill-cosby-drugs/30084383/

YEP

And another is that we see here that a person with private failings gets no slack for them even after they devote a lifetime to doing good public works. THe argument that trying to help the collective is a smart move just got whacked, because we are all imperfect, and we know now that we will all at the drop of a hat get hammered for our imperfections no matter our good deeds. Cosbys good deeds are practically ignored.
CalamityJane
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 08:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
What you call imperfections is in actuality a crime. Cosby committed a crime, not once, not twice, but many times over and he took advantage of these girls while flexing his power and fame. He threatened them and he intimidated them. Whatever good deed he performed in the past, is rightfully washed out. He's a rapist and a character swine.

Imperfections are some minor defects. This word is used inappropriately when speaking of Bill Cosby's crimes.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 09:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
From the same link you provided:-

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had Cosby not spent so much time exhorting other people to do right, we might not now be privy to evidence of him doing monstrously wrong.




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In his sworn testimony, he admitted to obtaining seven prescriptions for Quaaludes in the 1970s, with the intention of giving them to women he wanted to have sex with.

Cosby's lawyers would not allow him to answer the obvious follow-up question: whether these women were drugged without their knowledge.


coldjoint
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 10:31 pm
@CalamityJane,
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Cosby committed a crime, not once, not twice, but many times over


So did Clinton. He settled out of court.
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 13 Jul, 2015 10:47 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Two more of the witnesses from the 2005 case have come forward requesting that the full depositions be released.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bill-cosby-sex-assault-deposition-20150713-story.html

total # of accusers is now 47
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