@hawkeye10,
Quote:Because IDK what she claims the consent for the drugs going into her body was.
Quote:as they knew what they were putting in their body, or should have
Quote:As you know from the various rape threads I dont consider having sex with someone who is drugged up or drunk is rape so long as they are not passed out and so long as they knew what they were putting in their body, or should have
Start with the bottom one. Yes, Hawkeye I know your stance on rape and I imagine that you would see it differently. If you were to offer a woman a drug and advise her that it will send her into a different state one that she will enjoy even more, sexually and she takes it. She knew what she was doing.
Yes, Hef "appears" to have openly offered drugs and if taken, yes it was/is the responsibility of those women from there. Like I said I have no doubt especially back in those days where drugs were a free spirited thing to some that those women took them to be part of something, in with the crowd, to go into some place that would hopefully make them forget what was going to happen next to further their career, what ever their thoughts were, they were aware of what they were taking.
Let's look at that. Cosby was "buddies" he was Hef's right hand guy for some years in the Playboy Mansion if I am correct there was even a tunnel underground to get there. So no one knew who went in there. So he saw what Hef was doing. Then he saw these girls remember some were "girls" and he wanted them to perform on him, but he knew that they were too young to consider touching an old guy he was what 35? They 17? So he put drugs into their drinks, all he did was offer a drink.. Call them naïve. There was no consent in those instances, he played on the vulnerable, he even swayed some of their Mothers promising careers and claiming he was going to teach them a good citizen. Would any Mother throw their child to a wolf knowingly? So what, then that Mother is naïve as well, believing him? He is an Actor they know how to spin a story that would be believable. Let's face it.
So if a 17 year old child becoming a woman "should have known" and a "Mother who gave permission for Cosby to teach her daughter how to achieve in his Industry "should have known" then seriously you are suggesting that 100% of women "should have known" yet just in this scenario two 17 year olds "did not" and two Mothers "did not" and guess what? We all make mistakes, we all are trusting to a degree, some more than others so no, they should not have known, they trusted.
Let's not look at this one eyed. That being all women "should have known what was going into their bodies" .
This man was in a lot of their eyes a mentor. Quite clever really. If you bother reading you will find that he sourced the girls he wanted, women. He targeted them, he even followed 2 of them around for a while, watching them, he stalked them and he made false promises in such a way that they believed him, he was deceitful in his minds eye he knew what he wanted and he went out there to get it. He knew girls took drugs he watched them and more than likely watched and participated in the orgies. But this was more, he wanted to take from those that wouldn't give it to him, he wanted to be even more of a King that Hef. Or he wanted to be Hef an abundance of women at his feet but his fetish, drugged, un-known to them and getting them to do what he wanted. Remember in a lot of cases " I did not have sexual relations with that girl".... Just a hand job. Respect somewhat for his wife? Non trust that the girls didn't play around and what they may have ? Who knows.
The bottom line is, as you stated you have spent 5 minutes reading up on Cosby.
As you know.
If I start a thread I spend hours upon hours and don't look at anything one sided, rather search for all sides and in that.. The above is my stance until you bother spending time reading up on Cosby honestly, you can't make a judgement call on him, rather on girls that take drugs in particular that should know what they are doing which you have stated. But, which I kinda as a "girl" back then / naturally woman now have counter-acted. We are not all the same people you know that. Mistakes happen especially in trust.