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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 12:55 pm
@firefly,
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You say that as though a rich and powerful man, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, would never sexually assault such a lowly person, and, therefore, the one with the greater status and income is the one we should believe.
I say that like a guy who understands that we have provided incentives for the state to go after unpopular people with its "justice" system irregardless of the guilt of the citizen, and who sees constantly the state trashing citizens in the press. Outsiders can be forgiven for thinking that we are more than a little fucked in the head when it comes to our ideas on justice.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 02:05 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
You say that as though a rich and powerful man, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, would never sexually assault such a lowly person, and, therefore, the one with the greater status and income is the one we should believe.


He's saying such a rich and powerful man should be allowed to sexually abuse as many black maids as he wants, and the maids should be grateful.

Which is pretty much proof that Chicken Little doesn't even know what Socialism is.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 02:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Attention is a pretty big " little or nothing", and there could be book and movie deal money later.

For you, attention is a pretty big deal.

Attention as a rape victim, 30 or 40 years after the fact, is not attention most people want or would seek--except to finally find some sense of justice in finally being heard and believed, and revealing the truth about Cosby.
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I have seen very little in reference to Bill Cosby's reputation with the people, which can not be assumed to have any relationship with Bill Cosby's reputation in the press.

Then you must be blind, deaf, and drugged out as well.

The "people" include all the entertainment outlets that have canceled all future projects with him, all the colleges and universities that have cut associations with him, the U.S. Navy which took back the honor they had bestowed on him, the folks who bought tickets for his stand-up performances and no longer wish to support him, and so on. His public reputation is in tatters. You're just not paying attention.

The media and the press have given Cosby a pass on these matters for far too long, because he was able to get them to do that. He's now finding he can't control them any more, and his recent appeal to the black media elicited mainly negative responses from black journalists who found his comments offensive.

That he's not lodging defamation of character suits against his accusers speaks volumes about the truth of what they are saying.
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firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 02:40 pm
@izzythepush,
Chicken Little loves constructing and promoting victim narratives, as long as the victims are only men--he does it constantly.

According to him, no men never commit crimes of violence, or sexual assault/rape, or harm anyone by collecting and creating the demand for child pornography, they are all the innocent victims of some paranoid "feminist/government" conspiracy, or the state, or lying females, or the media, etc.

He doesn't know what Socialism is any more than he knows what being Zen is or what truth is.

But, he sure knows how to BS, and how to whine about men being victimized. Laughing
izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 02:46 pm
@firefly,
At this link there's an interview with a woman who was abused by Ray Teret when she was 12 years old. The last thing she wants is attention. Chicken little is fantasising again, and it's a fantasy based on misogynistic bigotry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-30350179
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 03:02 pm
@firefly,
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Chicken Little loves constructing and promoting victim narratives, as long as the victims are only men--he does it constantly.

The victims of the US " justice" system are all of the citizens of the USA. We all suffer when the government is not interested in justice, we are as a collective all weaker because of it.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 03:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The victims of the US " justice" system are all of the citizens of the USA. We all suffer when the government is not interested in justice, we are as a collective all weaker because of it.

And that is the case whenever sexual predators are able to rape with impunity, because they know the probability is so low that they will be charged and prosecuted.

Cosby benefited from that for decades. It's good his victims are finally being heard and exposing what he's really like.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 03:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
This thread is about Bill Cosby, not the "collective" or the US justice system. Stop trying to sound more intelligent than you are by using ridiculous terminology and stick to the topic.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 03:23 pm
@firefly,
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It's good his victims are finally being heard and exposing what he's really like.

when did we find out that he has victimized even one woman? All I have seen are allegations. Does 20 women saying something make it so? In that case Obama is not a US Citizen, the attack on the WTC was a CIA plot, NASA never landed on the moon, ......
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 03:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
Over 2 dozen women, independently coming forward with similar accusations about him, doesn't carry any weight with you in terms of credibility? Well, you never were the sharpest tool in the shed, and we know you believe in crazy paranoid feminist/government conspiracy theories. Laughing

http://api.ning.com/files/L67J4KB8XT3B7KA-GNTiK7-fO0CBRbmDTQFfff2kWaC4sVxV7OWOSIhQiT9YdqXM1s7ovvqsIBYnOudvYbIBYaySTUW2Ne7k/8107439339_fe30eddf81_o.gifhttp://i59.tinypic.com/65bzbq.jpg

Yes, people with considerably more common sense than you have, are believing these women, or most of them...what you personally believe doesn't matter. You're in awe of Cosby as a master rapist because he got away with it for so long. Those days are over...

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/bb2b391c606a672cfc99aec9b5b49c4358c5e5fc/c=0-200-1949-2799&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/Wilmington/2014/11/26/B9315283351Z.1_20141126150404_000+GOE98I964.1-0.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 04:19 pm
@firefly,
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Over 2 dozen women, independently coming forward with similar accusations about him, doesn't carry any weight with you in terms of credibility

Not till at least one charge comes with proof. Two charges coming with proof would be better.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 06:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sexual assaults/rapes are not usually videotaped or done in front of witnesses, and, when the victim is drugged, so she cannot recall exactly what took place, you'll never have the sort of "proof" you demand--even if these crimes are reported soon after the events took place, which is not the case with the Cosby allegations.

You continually forget that the claimant's account is considered evidence, and that evidence is weighed against the defendant's credibility. When over 2 dozen accusers are all independently singing essentially the same tune, and describing a propensity for a definite pattern of behavior, the preponderance of such evidence swamps Cosby's credibility, which is exactly what's happening now. Even a staunch rape denier, like you, should have a hard time convincing yourself that over 2 dozen allegations against Cosby are all false.

Watching his reputation crumble, as the public believes what they are saying, is a form of justice for these women. It's long delayed, but justice none the same. His reputation is shot, and so is the rest of his career. It's a shame this all didn't happen a long, long time ago, so he could have been stopped.

What you think really doesn't matter, it won't do anything to make him appear any less of a serial sexual predator.

http://media.cagle.com/20/2014/11/20/156507_600.jpg
Builder
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 06:25 pm
@firefly,
I've never been a fan of rap/hip-hop, but this song is very catchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB16fJpoj-I

Hilltop Hoods are from South Australia, BTW.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 06:35 pm
@Builder,
It is, indeed, a catchy song.
Builder
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 06:44 pm
@firefly,
Now, back to our regular programming.

I see the obfuscation/propaganda team posting that Oprah Winfrey is also a Cosby victim. In my opinion, websites cashing in with false propaganda need to be prosecuted as well.

I can see the legitimate charges being kicked to the curb amidst the usual flood of BS that surrounds any celebrity case these days.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 07:54 pm
@Builder,
The Oprah claim was on a satirical website. It's total fiction.
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An article claiming Oprah Winfrey said Bill Cosby “tried to rape” her is fake.

The bogus article was posted on Nahadaily.com, a satirical news site. It had tens of thousands of shares on Friday.

Here’s the disclaimer for the site at the bottom of the page: “NahaDaily is a daily satirical news source. Meaning complete fiction.”

It also says here: “NahaDaily is completely fictional and is based off of current events in urban culture and entertainment. This is satire and parody.”
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1153517-oprah-hoax-bill-cosby-drugged-and-tried-to-rape-me-article-is-fake/


Builder
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 07:56 pm
@firefly,
Yeah, that's what I meant by obfuscation. Such obvious lies serve only to muddy the waters of every other legitimate complaint.

firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 08:03 pm
@Builder,
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Such obvious lies serve only to muddy the waters of every other legitimate complaint.

I really don't think so--not for anyone with half a brain.

But I fail to see any humor in that particular satirical article.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 09:08 pm
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In the letter to CNN president Jeffrey Zucker, Singer said that CNN decided not to use an interview with Beverly Johnson’s live-in boyfriend from 2006-2009, Mark Burk, because he didn’t corroborate her story of being drugged by the “Cosby Show” star for an upcoming special planned by the cable news network
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According to Singer, CNN reporters interviewed Burk, who told them that Johnson had never made a negative comment about Cosby and even said she admired the TV star and saw him as a mentor during the time they lived together. Singer accuses the CNN reporters of trying to “manipulate and coerce” Burk into saying statements that supported Johnson’s accusations. And when he wouldn’t corroborate Johnson’s account of events with Cosby, the reporters began attacking Burk and his background. Burk offered to send supporting documents for his statements, but CNN ultimately decided not to use his interview.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-attorney-says-cnn-decided-not-interview-215347571.html

While I would never these days accuse CNN of being a journalism outfit the bigger problem is that the feminists have been pretty successful in implementing their dictate that the victim stories from those who are unverified self professed victims are not to be challenged. This is the reason that the fable told by that bitch at U Va was able to go so far before it fell apart.
glitterbag
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 09:39 pm
This topic started up around 15 November, and I assume most us really wanted these allegations to be untrue. If the allegations are true, we will never know, it's way past the time limit to prosecute. If the charges are true, I fully understand why the victims have decided to finally speak out, the story was broken by a male stand-up comedian. It had to sting knowing that it was common knowledge in some circles while others kept quiet for fear of retribution or shame.

If the allegations are not true, a group of women have done a terrible injustice to Cosby. However, so many women have come forward with variations of the same abuse story, it gives me pause. That being said, I've grown tired of the usual suspects trotting out all sorts of excuses for abhorrent behaviour and segueing into that tired rhetoric of imaginary persecution or unhinged characterization of gender, race or religion.

I don't thumb down posters on A2K, but occasionally I thumb down what appears on "my posts", so I don't get distracted with vile, despicable dumbshits who can't find their own ass with both hands.

So I'm sending this treasure to the trash heap of blather posts in which I no longer wish to participate. I admire the patience and restraint used by many of my cyber friends, and I truly wish I had the same spirit. Maybe after the holidays I can deal with the creepy factor. I've got places to go, people to see and Christmas cookies to bake.
 

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