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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 18 Dec, 2014 09:32 pm
@Builder,
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Yes, and for reasons I've outlined above, he might never be brought to justice.


Justice?! Oh, I don't know. Much might depend on how one interprets "justice" in Bill Cosby's case. You're probably right in that he might not ever see the inside of a prison, but he will not escape the public's strong vehement contempt....and think of the humiliation he has wrought upon his children....the shame! IMO, that is justice for the man who took advantage of unguarded helpless women.

I suspect he's enduring what one might describe as a terrible nightmare right now, knowing people view him as a sexual predator of women he drugged into defenseless victims for him to rape....He, Bill Cosby, has been dethroned! People who believe the women' accusation think Cosby is the scum of the earth.
Builder
 
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Thu 18 Dec, 2014 10:04 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Good points, but I'm sure his accusers would like to see him pay the price with a loss of liberty.

The case would drag on for a long time, though.

The thing with having plenty of money; you don't have to do much in the public eye, if you choose not to.
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nononono
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 03:45 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye, are you Australian or not? Are you from Rockford? The suspense is killing me!
izzythepush
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 03:50 am
@nononono,
I suppose Chicken Little's constant jabbering about his "restaurant" in Washington state is all a bit too cryptic for you. Figures.
nononono
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 03:51 am
@izzythepush,
Quit sexually harassing me. No means no.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 03:55 am
@nononono,
Don't belittle real victims with your pathetic attempt at humour. I was just echoing how much of a fuckwit you are.

Nobody is remotely interested in you sexually, which is why you do this all the time.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140918225336/gfaqssb/images/f/f6/Alg-crying-baby-jpg.jpg
NSFW (view)
firefly
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:25 am
Yet another accuser has come forward...
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Newest Cosby Accuser Says She Woke Up Two Days Later in Her Own Bed
by Gabrielle Bluestone
December 18, 2014

The latest woman accusing Bill Cosby of drugging and assaulting her says she was knocked out for two days after he invited her to his hotel room to run lines in 1988.

The woman, who identified herself only as "Lisa," appeared on Dr. Phil in an interview set to air Friday. She told the TV doctor she was 21 when she met Cosby, who offered to help her with her career.

The first time they met, "He was a gentleman and he was respectful and kind and he seemed very interested in me and that made me feel very secure in seeing him again. He was the Jello pudding man, he was everyone's dad," Lisa said.

Cosby later met her mother and sister, who were both won over by the charismatic actor. "My mother trusted Bill completely," Lisa says in the teaser clip.

But not long after, Lisa says, he summoned her to his hotel room "out of the blue."

He talked about, "Let me see what type of acting skills you have, I want you to improv." And as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink and then he brought it to me. It was a brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told him I didn't drink. He said that this was going to relax me so that the lines would flow out a lot easier. So I had to drink it. He made a second drink and had me drink the second drink as well.

I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said, "Come over here and have a seat." He had his legs open and when I sat down, I was sitting down in between his legs with my back to his crotch. He started to stroke my hair back in a petting motion, like this. The last things I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head. After that I don't remember anything else.

According to the Daily Mail, she woke up two days later in her own bed.

Lisa told Dr. Phil she wanted to report the assault at the time to "let him know that I know he did something wrong," but didn't because she feared testifying about events she couldn't remember.
http://gawker.com/newest-cosby-accuser-says-she-woke-up-two-days-later-in-1673002838
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:27 am
Nobody is remotely interested in a fuckwit like you, you have nothing to offer, other than acting as a salutary lesson of the dangers of fornicating with livestock.
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firefly
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 05:39 am
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EXCLUSIVE: Bill Cosby is under full-scale police investigation after series of women tell detectives they were abused by comedian - and some of the alleged attacks were INSIDE statute of limitations
By Ryan Parry, West Coast Correspondent For Dailymail.com
18 December 2014

Several more women who claim to have been sexually assaulted by comedy legend Bill Cosby have come forward sparking a ‘definitive open investigation’ by Los Angeles Police Department, a lawyer for one of the victims has told Daily Mail online.

The new victims claim to have been subjected to sex attacks by Cosby but have asked to remain anonymous.

Significantly, in another blow for the star, it is believed a number of the latest raft of allegations fall within the statute of limitations meaning he can be prosecuted if enough evidence is found.

This comes as a model who accused Cosby of drugging and sexually assaulting her at the Playboy mansion six years ago tells Daily Mail Online that she is scheduled to meet with LAPD detectives to give a formal statement against the comedian.

Chloe Goins, 24, claims Cosby, 77, spiked her drink with a sedative before luring her into a room and launching a sordid attack on her in 2008.

Goins' case is being handled by experienced attorney Spencer Kuvin - we can reveal - the man who represented four victims of notorious billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

The complaint will be a huge blow to Cosby – who already faces more than 25 historic accusations of sexual assault and rape – as Goins is the first accuser to go public whose allegations are not covered by the statute of limitations.

But news that several other victims may also fall in to this same category will further rock Cosby and his legal team.

Florida attorney Mr Kuvin told MailOnline: ‘I have sat down with my client and have a full understanding of the issues involved and what has occurred.

‘I have had lengthy communications with the Los Angeles Police Department and there is now a definitive open investigation which is ongoing for, it’s my understanding, not only with Chloe’s case but other unnamed victims who have yet to be revealed publicly.

‘The police will be doing additional investigative work which will include things like issuing search warrants.

‘They want to get all their information first before sitting down and having an interview with Chloe about her incident. This is scheduled to happen early in the new year.

Chloe is willing to speak with the police as soon as possible, she is fully cooperating with them and she wants to tell her story to the authorities so that he is held accountable for what he’s done.

‘She fully understands her role in this, in that until now, she is the only victim who has been able to come forward who can likely prosecute him both criminal and civil.’

This comes after it emerged earlier in December that the LAPD plans to search Hugh Hefner's famous Playboy mansion as part of their investigation.

Police are hoping Hugh Hefner, long a dear friend of the embattled 77-year-old comic, and his people will be of some help as they seek to gather evidence in several cases which are linked to the Playboy mansion.

Last week prosecutors in LA decided not to charge Cosby over a similar sexual assault complaint made against him by Judy Huth - as that alleged offence took place too long ago.

The stand-up comic – known as America’s favorite TV dad after his long stint in sitcom The Cosby Show – was investigated by police after accuser Huth claimed she was drugged and raped at the Playboy mansion in 1974, aged just 15.

The LAPD opened an inquiry into Huth’s allegations but prosecutors announced that they would not be prosecuting him as the alleged attack took place over 30 years ago, and the statute of limitations had passed.

However Goins, who last week told MailOnline how she woke up naked in a drug haze as Cosby licked her toes, was allegedly attacked in 2008 - meaning Cosby could face a criminal prosecution.

If convicted, Cosby could face up to 48 months jail as well as a possible $10,000 fine.

Mr Kuvin said his client is determined to seek justice despite being ‘very afraid of a powerful, influential man who clearly took advantage of her in a situation’.

He said Goins, a lap dancer and model who lives in Las Vegas, only garnered the courage to come forward after seeing Cosby’s other accusers come forward.

Kuvin said: 'Only now when she saw others speaking out does she feel comfortable speaking out.

'The one thing that I thought was very important is that Chloe was very adamant that she come out now because she could possibly be the one that is within the statute of limitations to be a able to bring a criminal action against Bill Cosby, so she felt a duty to come forward.

'Seeing these many other, much older, women with events that happened many, many years ago, she felt a duty to come forward and possibly - and hopefully - bring this man to justice where others cannot.

'She wants to see justice served and unfortunately all these other woman are unable to do that.

'These events happened when she was 18 and she's now only 24, so hopefully she will be able to bring him to justice when no one else could.'

Goins says she felt compelled to come forward after reading the accounts of other women who claim Cosby drugged and assaulted them in the media.

In an emotional interview with MailOnline, she told how their stories had brought back chilling memories of the night she was allegedly assaulted at one of Hugh Hefner’s infamous summer parties.

Goins, originally from San Diego, and a girlfriend, were introduced to Hefner and Cosby shortly after arriving at the party and the then-70-year-old comedian began lavishing the blonde with attention.

He then went to get her an alcoholic drink, but soon after drinking it, Goins started to feel ‘foggy’ and ‘sick’ and Cosby offered to show her to a bedroom where she could rest.

The next thing the model remembers is waking up completely undressed while a half-naked Cosby licked her toes and masturbated.

Goins said she is sure Cosby had been licking her breasts and groping her body as well.

She said: 'I remember waking up and feeling moist all over, like he had been licking all over me.

'He wasn't on my breasts when I woke, but I could feel, you know, the saliva on them and that he'd been licking on me.

'I felt embarrassed, it was a gross, icky feeling, I felt very violated and humiliated.

'I was scared, I was just 18 and he was an old man, I was not very sexually experienced and I didn't really know what had happened, it was violating.'

Cosby quickly jumped up when she woke, pulled his pants up and left without saying anything, Goins claims.

She didn’t report it at the time as she was scared of getting into trouble or ruining her modeling career.

Experienced attorney Kuvin, who represented four victims of billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, described the two cases as similar.

Epstein, a friend of UK royal Prince Andrew, was arrested for soliciting underage prostitutes and jailed for 18 months in 2008.

Although he only pleaded guilty to a single charge of soliciting an underage girl, the financier also made 17 out-of court settlements to other victims who brought civil suits against him, while more are ongoing.

Speaking about the Cosby case, Kuvin said: ‘Through the representation in the past of the victims of sexual abuse by powerful people, this is a typical kind of case.

'In the past I have represented victims of Jeffrey Epstein who is a multi-billionaire.

‘And the girls that are subjected to rich, powerful men like this seem to fall within the same class of victim, they become very frightened and afraid of rich and powerful men and as a result they are fearful of speaking out because they don't know what the consequences will be if they say anything.

'So as a result you find victims who really don't feel comfortable until they see others speak out as eel and there is power in numbers.’

Goins and Huth are among dozens of women who claim Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted them, with some allegations dating back 40 years.

Former Playboy bunny P.J. Masten, who claims she was raped by Cosby at the Playboy Club in Chicago in 1979, believes there are 12 other former Bunnies who are too ashamed to come forward with their own stories.

Other accusers include supermodel Janice Dickinson, who told in an interview how Cosby invited her to Lake Tahoe to talk about a television role in 1982, but ended up drugging and raping her...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2879749/Police-Bill-Cosby-definitive-open-investigation-series-women-claim-abused-statute-limitations.html#ixzz3MLH2xlz5
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firefly
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 07:04 am
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nononono
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 07:24 am
@firefly,
Wow, are you sexist firefly. Why not just post a picture of Cosby hanging from a noose with a cross burning in the background while you're at it? I mean, that Cosby nigger is guilty and we all know it. Because women said so.
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 19 Dec, 2014 06:23 pm
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I noticed myself getting a little dizzy," Lisa said. "Bill had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said, 'Come over here and have a seat.' And he had his legs open and when I sat down, I was sitting down in between his legs with my back to his crotch. And he started to stroke my hair back in a petting motion like this. The last thing I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head. After that, I don't remember anything else."

Lisa says she woke up at home two days later, with no memory of what had happened when she was unconscious.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/12/19/video-new-bill-cosby-accuser-says-blacked-out-for-two-days-after-drugged-her/

I am not believing this till or unless medical experts come forward and give me the name of a drug or the mix of a drug cocktail that would have this effect.

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she says he forced her to have two drinks, which he claimed would help her acting.
please define "forced" as you are using the word, and you are asking us to believe that you were at the time really really stupid, you know that right?
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Builder
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 12:44 am
The law may be different in the US, but to take your accusation to Dr Phil, or any kind of public forum like his, would be to negate your case in a court of law in Australia. You might use a current affairs program to shed some light on a situation, but to sit in front of a camera and make accusations pretty-much ends your ability to use what you've said on the stand.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but trial by media does not result in prosecution.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 01:36 am
@Builder,
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Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but trial by media does not result in prosecution.
Unlike in more civilized collectives in ours prosecutors are political creatures. It is very common for them to try to advance their political careers though abusing citizens , they just need to pick the right citizens, the ones that the voters want to see gored by the state. Cyrus Vance going after DSK with no evidence other than a known liar of a hotel maid, and making DSK cool his heels in one of America's most abusive prisons from may 14 till may 20 was just one example of this. Cyrus Vance was well known to have his eyes on bigger political office, and he tried to get there by abusing unpopular people with the law. A relatively low income hotel maid from Guinea accuses the likely next president of France of Sexual Assault??!! It does not get any better than this! Unfortunately the facts did not back up Vances assertions, so his going after DSK ended up hurting him....he was seen to be too desirous of a better job.
Builder
 
  0  
Sat 20 Dec, 2014 01:54 am
@hawkeye10,
You've quoted my post, but not used anything I said in your response hawkee.

I'm not one to vote down posts, but you either address what you've quoted from me, or delete my quote from your post.

Thanks in advance.




hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 20 Dec, 2014 02:24 am
@Builder,
Sorry for over estimating your intelligence. Trial by media not only does not preclude state sanctions, promoting media vilification of the accused is considered part of the job description of american prosecutors. This is what happens when prosecutors are milking judicial cases for political advantage.
firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 12:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
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A relatively low income hotel maid from Guinea accuses the likely next president of France of Sexual Assault??!!

You say that as though a rich and powerful man, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, would never sexually assault such a lowly person, and, therefore, the one with the greater status and income is the one we should believe.

That sort of thinking is why Cosby's accusers mostly young aspiring, "low income" actresses and models, didn't feel they would be believed if they came forward at the time of their alleged assaults---and they were right.

You fail to mention that the "low income hotel maid" subsequently brought a civil suit against DSK, just as one of Cosby's accusers subsequently brought a civil suit against him, and both men settled these suits to prevent them from going to trial--that's what rich and powerful men can afford to do---they can buy their way out of situations like that--they can prevent truths about themselves from coming out in court.

That's also why Cosby isn't suing any of his accusers for defamation of character, or even threatening such suits--such a suit would bring out too much negative and damaging information about him, and he'd risk the possibility of losing the suits. On the other hand, one of his accusers, Beverley Johnson, is suing Cosby for defamation of character, for remarks he recently made about her to two publications.

Cosby can get these accusations, and blows to his character and reputation, out of the media and into a civil courtroom where they can be adjudicated, but, quite tellingly, he's chosen not to do that.





firefly
 
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Sat 20 Dec, 2014 12:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Trial by media not only does not preclude state sanctions, promoting media vilification of the accused is considered part of the job description of american prosecutors. This is what happens when prosecutors are milking judicial cases for political advantage.

It's more often the tactic of defense attorneys who try to smear their client's accusers, or victims, in the media, both to decrease public sympathy for the victim, and to influence the potential jury pool in favor of the client. Mark O'Mara successfully used the social media for that purpose in defending George Zimmerman, and Cosby's lawyers are trying to do that now with his accusers. It worked with Zimmerman to help trash the character of his victim, Trayvon Martin, but it's clearly not working for Cosby--he's got way too many accusers, and they are now mature established individuals with little or nothing to gain by coming forward now, other than to finally have their stories, and experiences with Cosby listened to.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 20 Dec, 2014 12:52 pm
@firefly,
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It's more often the tactic of defense attorneys who try to smear their client's accusers, or victims, in the media, both to decrease public sympathy for the victim, and to influence the potential jury pool in favor of the client


Which comes long after the state has put out press releases condemning the accused citizen and given interviews to the members of the press who want more filth to publish. Smearing the states witness is at that point attempt to even up the scales of justice.

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but it's clearly not working for Cosby
I have seen very little in reference to Bill Cosby's reputation with the people, which can not be assumed to have any relationship with Bill Cosby's reputation in the press.

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, and they are now mature established individuals with little or nothing to gain by coming forward now,
Attention is a pretty big " little or nothing", and there could be book and movie deal money later.
 

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