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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
FOUND SOUL
 
  2  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:25 am
@hawkeye10,
Ahhhhhhhhh screams a little. They didn't have an open relationship I suggest you follow Firefly's suggestion. She found out just like most people do, that cheat on someone.

Do you follow those threads?

You're fooling someone, not sure that's it's you. For someone who has consensual sex with his wife and other "parties" you would be aware that a woman at 19 having 4 children, is the maker of the home and she was aware who knows "after the fact" of an affair that is all she knew, and she forgave now look at what she is reading.. You truly think this lovely woman has an open relationship and has sex with others? I do agree that she has let him have sex with women but that would be the end of her agreement and again, at 40 she requested a huge change, family, grandchildren, wife, enough. He agreed. But like any serial anything he reneged.

Have you?

As usual you seem to counteract sometimes not always with a load of crap.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:29 am
@FOUND SOUL,
You are guessing. I dont know what their marriage is about, what she knew or wanted to know, and neither do you.
firefly
 
  2  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:39 am
@hawkeye10,
Don't assume that everyone is as uninformed as you are.
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nononono
 
  -2  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:45 am
@firefly,
Quote:
That Hillary Clinton quote is totally irrelevant to this topic, and I have no interest in engaging in that sort of digression with you.


I would disagree. You've said that you admire Hillary. I think it's very relevant to any discussions on A2K to establish an idea of what your personal beliefs/character are in regards to the value you place on men's lives. The statement: "Women have always been the primary victims of war." is a defining statement of Hillary's. I don't think it's too much at all to ask for some sort of commentary as to what you think of that. I would say that if you refuse to comment, that's pretty cowardly/disingenuous.

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Camille didn't "marry up", Bill Cosby did when he married her--if anyone engaged in "hypergamy" it was him. And, she dropped out of college when she married him, and within the first 6 years of their marriage, when he was already cheating on her, she already had 3 children all aged 5 and under. She had her hands full, just being a mother, while he went off and did his own thing. And then she had a fourth child.


She could have divorced him! (3/4 of all divorces are initiated by women), but ah(!) he made MUCH more money than her and had more social status than her by the boatload.

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She's an accomplished woman in her own right. ...she also raised their 4 children, got a doctorate, and developed a career and interests of her own that also earned her income.


In what ratio exactly compared to the man who had the most successful TV sitcom of the 1980's/1990's? Did her raising of their children, getting a doctorate, and developing a "career" contribute to an equal extent of financial security and well being to their family as Mr Cosby's did??? Participation points and gold stars don't equal actual dollars. You realize that right???

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She wasn't exactly sponging off him, or using him, which is what you're implying, and she was the one who held the family together.


How exactly was she the one who held the family together? Did she pay all their fuckin' bills??? Was she the one with the social status to get special privileges for them?

The thing is that hypergamy is all too common. The fact that you cannot acknowledge it is very telling as to your beliefs. Feminists often like to say, "People who have privileges are often unaware of those privileges."

Let me ask you this: If you could live in world where only the inventions/innovations of men existed, vs. a world where only the inventions/innovations of women existed; which world would you choose to exist in? Which world would benefit you more as a human being?

It's an honest question. It deserves an honest answer.
firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:49 am
@nononono,
Get lost. That's my honest answer.
nononono
 
  -2  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:51 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Get lost. That's my honest answer.


(Admits defeat/personal failings.)

firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:54 am
@nononono,
No, your female-bashing, female-belittling BS isn't worth responding to.

Get lost.

And don't forget your shirt...you certainly are a little WORM. Laughing

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDY1WDYzNA==/z/1jgAAOxyYSdTBWNv/$_12.JPG
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:56 am
@hawkeye10,
It's pretty easy to read about someone and take it all in.

You accused people of doing that "after" you asked for advice and got it from A2K I am not trying to be rude here Hawk. Then you made comments that made people's ears prick up, consequently ever since, you have a fan club and a hate club.

She has spoken BUT she has told before of her story and her story is there in black and white. Losing a son the only son, to start with the only son Bill Cosby wanted, he came from all boys, he had girls, he ratted on one of his own daughters, he used his family life to gain fame, that side she saw Bill Cosby, the family man, tailoring it to his family life, how proud she would have been, no way could he be this person.. NO way.

Heard of denial? Affair well ok, rich, famous, ok... This? No way.

Denial.

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nononono
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:57 am
@firefly,
It's cool.

Admitting you're wrong sucks. I get it.
Builder
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 04:02 am
@nononono,
Quote:
Admitting you're wrong sucks.


Assuming that you're right sucks even harder, and marks you down as an NPD case.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 04:03 am
@nononono,
Ok.

Both black. He had a mission to teach black "people" to be more and middle classed, she loved that idea.

She was already on that mission.

They made that mission together. Togetherness is POWERful.

She was 19, her parents disapproved in the end, agreed. She was "only" 19.. I suggest a virgin she is what 67? 66? she was a lot younger but all those years together?

Then there was family, beliefs in that, calling each child commencing with E for excellence. She was on a mission as so as firefly pointed out, her continuation with excellence in education and contributes.

This in again not just about Bill Cosby, this is about her and her contributions.. That are held in her heart.

If he loses she loses everything. Not just all she did, they did, she did, but this man she idolised and she did from 19 years of age.

She accepted his affairs do you realise one was 2 months before giving birth to their son?

She would have put that down to well " I was pregnant" nil, little sex.

A forgiving woman. She was into all things good.

She held the family together, he listened, she told him no more at 40 he tried, she was the power of their relationship perhaps therefore he needed power outside of it.


Not being rude, but you are making accusations without reading up on her.

Please do.
nononono
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:57 am
@FOUND SOUL,
(This was written by a woman, p.s.)

What would happen if no men showed up for work today?

Yesterday’s post got me thinking about what would happen if no men showed up to work today. For certain, the trains would stop running. But before we get into that, I want to tell you a bit about how I came to be – how I came to think the way I do.

I credit my father, first and foremost. My father failed in so many ways, but one thing he did perfectly was provide. He could coax food out of the barest patch of earth; he could collect a swarm of wild bees and turn them into gallons and gallons of honey; he could take a bush and make it flower; he could take a cow or a goat or a chicken and make the foolish creature love him. My childhood was blighted by religious-based violence centered on the concept of breaking a child’s will so they might better accept the will of God, but that is not the reason I am atheist. If God had been presented to me in a better light, someone who wasn’t keen on beating children unconscious, I still don’t believe I would be one of the faithful. God makes no rational sense to me.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/06/16/first-i-feared-him-then-i-loathed-him-then-i-forgave-him-and-now-i-take-care-of-him-the-story-of-my-father-and-me/

And if I am one thing, it is rational.

What my father did was instill indelibly in my mind that his role was to provide. I never thought of that in terms of love. Only in terms of material goods, which amounted to food and shelter and clothing in our sparse, dirt farm existence, and my Dad was a genius at providing those things. My mother and I turned the goods of his labor into “value-added” products, to be certain, but we would have had no flour to mill, no butter to churn, no eggs to collect, no firewood to burn, no cookies and cakes and breads and loaves to sell without him.

My most basic understanding of men is that they keep you from starving or freezing to death.

My three brothers played a key role in that they made me appreciate my chores were so much easier. At no point would I have ever traded churning butter or kneading bread with pitching out stalls or baling hay.

From my brothers I learned that men do the hard, shitty work, and tedious is nothing compared to physically brutal.

My husband’s grandmother played a curiously central role in who I am, too. The Queen was the sort of woman who showed up for Sunday dinner dressed in elegant suits with her hair perfectly coiffed and pantyhose and heels and lipstick exquisitely applied, and I really, honestly, expected her to hate me with my worn denims and flannel shirts and practical flat shoes and penchant for the saltier forms of the English language.

But she didn’t.

While Mr. JB and I were still dating, she gave me two pieces of advice that are with me to this day.

Friends of the family were expecting and everyone was all excitement and anticipation, which is utterly lovely. A discussion about the mother and working and how to get the baby sleeping through the corporate night ensued, and the Queen blessed me with two morsels of wisdom.

On the subject of maternal guilt, she said, “People hardly ever feel guilty about doing the right thing, now do they? Let guilt be your compass, letting know you are headed in the wrong direction”.

And gazing upon a sturdy tome of Popular Childcare Manual, she said, “Honey, the baby IS the book. If 50 000 years of evolution isn’t good enough for you, then I don’t know what is. You do what the baby tells you to do and you can’t go wrong. It’s important to have an open mind about scientific advances, but not so open your brains fall out onto the sidewalk.”

The Queen passed away before our first child was born, and I will never forget the look on her face when we left her in the hospital, after a devastating stroke left her immobile and incommunicative. She was tied to a bed with her hair dishevelled, wearing one of those awful gaping hospital robes, and the look in her eyes was so very clear:

No. Please no. Please kill me. I do not want to live like this.

And I knew then I loved her. The Queen was gone, although her body was present. I would have killed her, had the law permitted it.

Obviously, I didn’t.

It made me realize that even though the Dowager, the Queen’s Daughter and Mr.JB’s mother has been no peach to deal with, I will never let her spend her last years in a home with messy hair and crinkled clothes. I won’t kill her, obviously, but she will spend her last moments looking like herself, surrounded by the people she loves and no “career” in the world will make her comfort and care irrelevant to me.

And obviously, the same goes for Mr. JB’s father, and my own. They will end their days in the company of those they nurtured into love, no matter how clumsily they effected the emotion.

Mr. JB’s mother and grandmother made me realize that the single most important thing I can contribute to the world is love. If every family made loving one another a priority, then the bonds of family would become the single most important “wealth” we can pursue. It used to be that way. It can be that way again. But families aren’t families without men.

And that is where we have gone off the rails.

The birth of my own son is what brought that home to me forcefully. Our first child was a fearful, cautious child by nature. She was born clinging to me and it took more than a year before she stopped freaking out every time the phone rang. Her baby brain took any sudden sound to mean the world was surely coming to an end, and she responded appropriately: by screaming her head off.

LittleDude is so totally different. He was born calm and curious and totally open to anything the world had to throw at him. It took a long time before Pinky would let Grandma hold her for any length of time, but LittleDude was happy as long as there were warm arms around him.

As a toddler, he would go up to any man in the park, and ask to be picked up when he got tired.

“Daddy, pick me up”. He called them all “Daddy”.

I used to joke with my husband that I was the “single mom whose kid got no male attention” at the park, because LittleDude just loved men and he showed no fear of them whatsoever. He would happily snuggle up with the homeless guy with the puppy, which forced me to confront some uncomfortable truths.

I would try to coax LittleDude away from these men, who never behaved in any manner that alarmed me, other than simply being men. Who were they? I don’t know. War vets. Chronic alcoholics. Men whom society had discarded, and the confusion I could see in my son’s face when I would try to pull him away made me examine where I was getting my ideas from.

I’ve never been the hysterical “someone is gonna kidnap my child” sort of person. That happens so rarely, it’s not a rational belief. It would make more sense to worry that he might be struck by lightning or swept away by a tornado. I was afraid of those men because they were men.

And I didn’t want my son to grow up thinking that men are something bad. I lived through parental alienation and had the poison of feminist inspired man-hate poured into my soul every day, thanks to my mother, and I refused to let her anger and bitterness and venom affect my own life.

So that is how I began.

Commenters have often mentioned that if men didn’t show up for work one day, the entire world would screech to a halt, and today, using data from the US Department of Labor, I want to take a look at just how true that is. Hearing about “male privilege” is so common in the media, but what is hardly ever mentioned is just how many of our own privileges are a direct result of the work that men do.

Perhaps the reason men have historically had the privileges they do is because they EARN THEM BY MAKING OUR LIFE POSSIBLE?

Just a thought.

And in the same breath, women have historically had the privileges they have because they CREATE LIFE.

Modern, feminist inspired liberal democracy has destroyed women’s role, by and large, with plunging birth rates across the developed world, but they CANNOT destroy men’s traditional work, or we all perish. What they want is for men to do the work silently. With no acknowledgement. For no reward.

There’s a word for that: slavery.

Let’s see what happens when the slaves revolt, shall we?

All information taken from Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department of Labor, 2013, except where noted.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

First up, the entire power grid is down. 100% of power plant operators, distributors, and dispatchers are men. Now, it’s possible that there are a few women working in these occupations, but however many there are, they do not make up even 1% of the total workforce, so statistically, 100% of the workforce is male.

91% of the nation’s electrical engineers are men, and if they don’t show up for work, there is no one to monitor and manage the nation’s electrical supplies. Assuming some automation (designed by men, naturally) kicks in for the day, we had all better pray there are no problems. 97.6% of electrical power line installers and maintenance workers are men.

Lights out, ladies and gentlemen.

Don’t bother turning on your taps, either. Or flushing your toilets. 95.5% of water and liquid waste treatment plant and system operators are men.

Think you might be able to get out of town for the one day the men don’t show up?

Think again.

Planes are out.

95.9% of aircraft pilots and flight engineers are men. If you happen to find a plane with a female pilot, don’t get too excited. 98.4% of aircraft mechanics and service technicians are men. You can, however, be assured of your comfort as you sit on a pilotless aircraft that has no mechanic for pre-flight clearance, because 77.6% of flight attendants are female.

Should you be lucky enough to find a female pilot and a female technician to clear you for take-off, you still have some praying to do. Statistically, 0% of airtraffic controllers and airfield operations specialists are women.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

Of course, that doesn’t mean there are ZERO ladies working in air traffic control. There just aren’t enough to constitute even 1% of the workforce.

Trains, of course, are also out.

100% of locomotive engineers and operators are men, as are 100% of the workers who operate railroad brake, signals and switches. 94.4% of railway yardmasters are men, but if you chance upon a female yardmaster, it won’t help you much. She can’t operate the trains.

You might have better luck with bus drivers, almost half of whom are women.

But the streets are likely to be chaos. And there won’t be anyone on hand to help you navigate that.

87.4% of police and sheriff’s patrol officers are men. 96.6% of firefighters are men. 68.8% of Emergency Medical Technicians and Paramedics are men, so if it all goes tits up and you get hurt, there’s a small chance you might make it to a hospital.

I hope you don’t get too badly hurt, though. 65.7% of all surgeons are men.

Maybe you should just work from home? In the dark, mind you. With no running water.

Uh-oh. Looks like that might be a problem, too.

For all computer and mathematical occupations combined, 74.4% of the workforce is male. Computer network architects, who design and implement all our computer based communications systems are 91.9% men. And 94.2% of radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repair technicians are men.

Looks like that plan is fucked.

Hope it doesn’t get too hot, or too cold the day men don’t show up for work. Even if you had power, which you don’t, you would be hard-pressed to get anyone in to take a look at your wonky air-conditioner or furnace.

98.4% of heating, air-conditioning and refrigeration mechanics and installers are men.

Oh well. Guess you’ll have to mosey on down to the local café, which has no power either, but what’s logic and consequence anyways? Be careful when you step over all that accumulating garbage! Remember that most EMTs are men, and they’ve taken the day off. Don’t want to get hurt now.

Most garbage collectors are men, too. 93.4%, to be exact.

You’ll need to stop at the bank first, for a little cash injection.

Oops. Don’t bother.

The machine hasn’t been filled with money today. 81.5% of security guards and gaming surveillance officers are men. It’s unlikely the banks would be functioning anyways, with no men at work. 72.1% of all securities, commodities and financial services sales agents are men. 72.6% of the nation’s CEOs would be taking the day off, along with 70.9% of all the general and operations managers.

Don’t count on getting a weather report today. Statistically, 0% of the nation’s atmospheric and space scientists are women.

Actually, don’t plan on acquiring pretty much anything today. The workers in the entire production, transportation and material moving occupations are 78.2% men. Not only will no goods be moving on the day men go on strike, they won’t be made, period. 82.4% of all the industrial production managers are men.

Nothing will be built or extracted from the earth in terms of raw materials. 97.5% of that workforce is male.

Nothing will be installed, maintained or repaired. 96.8% of that workforce is male.

If men took a collective day off, we would instantly be without power, without the means to communicate, without protection, without water, without trucks bringing us the food and products we take for granted, because men are the ones who provide all those things.

Where in our culture do we EVER see that acknowledged? If women took the day off, with the sole exception of NURSES, nothing would happen. No one would die. The world would continue to function. The hair salons and primary schools and retail clothing stores would close, and the male management structure would have to find some way to answer their own phones for a day, but essentially, nothing would happen.

You will often hear feminists barking on about male privilege, usually in a well-lit room, comfortably warm, with her iPhone close at hand, buzzing with updates from her latest #mensuck Twitter feed, with zero awareness that every single one of those luxuries is provided by men.

Male privilege is the idea that men have unearned social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are granted to them solely on the basis of their sex, and which are usually denied to women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege

Unearned.

UNEARNED?!?

The Department of Labor says otherwise, bitch. It is women who have failed to earn their privileges. We live in a world powered and created and maintained by men, and yet feminists have created a whole philosophy and ideology that insists women and men are equal.

We are not equal.

We do not need to be equal.

We can’t be equal.

What we can be is grateful.

And we can pray men never, ever take a day off.

Lots of love,

JB

http://judgybitch.com/2013/09/17/what-would-happen-if-no-men-showed-up-for-work-today/
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:04 am
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
They didn't have an open relationship


you don't know that

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ehBeth
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:17 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
We know three things, they have been together a long time, a lot of that time they have been more close than almost any other couple are , and we know that she is smart. That is it.


there are people who know more

those are the things that the Cosbys have allowed out in the media.
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:19 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
And Camille used the Rolling Stone rape story to show how the media promotes false allegations.


I think she made a mistake with this. Her statement about RS doesn't read right. Perhaps her first misstep in decades.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:21 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
The media has been protecting Cosby until now
Or they thought the claims were too ridiculous to take seriously.


I can tell you that at least some of the journalists believed the stories back in the day, but they also believed they'd lose their jobs if they presented/published them.
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nononono
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:25 am
Notice the negative response to me pointing out male strengths/attributes in the realm of contributions to society.

Because a male pointing out male strengths/contributions is viewed negatively. Of course.

If I were a woman pointing out female strengths, it would be "You go girl!' "Girl power!".

We live in an anti-male culture. I'll say it a millions times, men are baaaaad.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:28 am
@nononono,
You're not a man, and you've contributed **** all to society, you pathetic little worm.
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Builder
 
  0  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:29 am
@nononono,
Quote:
I'll say it a millions times, men are baaaaad.


We fix ****. Simple as that.

If you design a robot to fix ****, you're a dead man walking.
nononono
 
  -2  
Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:35 am
@Builder,
No matter what the negative response; men have contributed more to society than women ever have or ever will. That is a fact of life. Without men's contributions, you couldn't even read this.
 

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