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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
firefly
 
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Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I believe on child sexual abuse there may be no statute of limitations.
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nononono
 
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Mon 15 Dec, 2014 11:47 pm
@firefly,
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On the other hand, I do think Camille Cosby is pushing BS by trying to blame the current media coverage, given the fact that this same stuff all surfaced when the civil lawsuit was filed 9 years ago, and involved allegations by 14 women, it's not really news, including to Camille. The change in the past 9 or 10 years is the public's willingness to listen to what these women have to say, and to believe them--they never got to hear them a decade ago because he settled the suit to make sure that didn't happen.


Ok, I will concede a point to you here. But on that note, firefly can you see how if what you're saying is true, this would be a classic example of the effects of hypergamy? Camille doing something that she knew was (allegedly) morally questionable in order to maintain a standard of living provided to her by the man she married.

This type of behavior is very common. And it stems from hypergamy, which is almost exclusively a female trait.

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Not at all. Nor do I think she was then


So what is your stance on this quote? Do you believe this statement to be accurate?

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children." -Hillary Rodham Clinton
firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 12:47 am
@nononono,
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Ok, I will concede a point to you here. But on that note, firefly can you see how if what you're saying is true, this would be a classic example of the effects of hypergamy? Camille doing something that she knew was (allegedly) morally questionable in order to maintain a standard of living provided to her by the man she married.


Camille didn't "marry up", Bill Cosby did when he married her--if anyone engaged in "hypergamy" it was him. And, she dropped out of college when she married him, and within the first 6 years of their marriage, when he was already cheating on her, she already had 3 children all aged 5 and under. She had her hands full, just being a mother, while he went off and did his own thing. And then she had a fourth child.

Her primary role was being a mother, and caring for, and protecting her children--that's why she relocated to Massachusetts, to get them out of the atmosphere of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, and probably to shield and protect them, and herself, from the rumors and gossip surrounding her philandering husband--his womanizing seems to have been an open secret. When she finally got her own doctoral degree, she's said it greatly enhanced her own self-esteem, and then she began working on projects of her own. And she admits that his name got doors to open for her, but she then had to prove herself.
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this would be a classic example of the effects of hypergamy? Camille doing something that she knew was (allegedly) morally questionable in order to maintain a standard of living provided to her by the man she married.
This type of behavior is very common. And it stems from hypergamy, which is almost exclusively a female trait.

Can't you ever drop your female-bashing crap?

I don't know that Camille ever did anything that was "morally questionable" so she could continue enjoying the status and money that came with being his wife, she also raised their 4 children, got a doctorate, and developed a career and interests of her own that also earned her income. She's an accomplished woman in her own right. She wasn't exactly sponging off him, or using him, which is what you're implying, and she was the one who held the family together.

I think she's likely had a difficult marriage, given her husband's infidelities, and the murder of their only son, and I'm not criticizing any choices she's chosen to make, and I definitely don't consider her "morally questionable". I do think she's chosen to speak out right now, in defense of him, because of the actions Spelman College just took, which do affect her and her legacy--his mud is spattering on her. I think she's between a rock and a hard place right now, and I do feel sympathy for her. And, right now, he's trying to hide behind her.

That Hillary Clinton quote is totally irrelevant to this topic, and I have no interest in engaging in that sort of digression with you.
firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 01:11 am
The latest allegation...

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Woman Says She Woke Up to Bill Cosby Sucking Her Toes in 2008
December 15, 2014

A woman says she woke up from a laced cocktail to find Bill Cosby sucking her toes in 2008—the first accusation against the comedian possibly within the statute of limitations for criminal charges in California.

The alleged victim, Chloe Goins, told the Daily Mail she was 18 when she met Cosby at the Playboy Mansion in the summer of 2008. He got drinks for her and her friend, and she began to feel "foggy" not long after. She told the Mail Hugh Hefner noticed she looked ill and offered her a bedroom to lie down in.

"Then Bill offered to show me the room, he said he knew the way. He seemed nice and I don't remember feeling nervous or that it was weird," she said.

She says she passed out and woke up to him licking her feet.

'I came to and remember seeing this big man crouched over me. It was Bill Cosby and he was at my feet, kind of licking and kissing them and I think he bit my toe as that's what woke me up.

'I kind of thank God for that because that's what woke me up and I came to.

'I was shocked, I said, 'hey, what's going on', he didn't really say anything, didn't explain anything or give a reason.

'He jumped up, pulled his pants back up quickly and left. He had seen that I was alert and bolted out of there, I was left in the room by myself.'

Goins said she is sure Cosby had been licking her breasts and groping her body as well.

She said: 'I remember waking up and feeling moist all over, like he had been licking all over me. He wasn't on my breasts when I woke, but I could feel, you know, the saliva on them and that he'd been licking on me.

'I felt embarrassed, it was a gross, icky feeling, I felt very violated and humiliated.


Although the Mail and the Hollywood Reporter both point out Goins' story takes place within California's criminal statute of limitations, it's not entirely clear if it does: Goins stresses that she doesn't believe she was "raped or molested," only inappropriately touched. Although California allows prosecutors ten years to file rape charges, the lesser offense of sexual battery has a six-year statute of limitations, which might have already run. Goins, who has not yet filed a police report, said through her attorney that she plans to meet with LAPD detectives to give a statement this week.

http://gawker.com/woman-woke-up-to-bill-cosby-sucking-her-toes-in-2008-r-1671550033
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 01:16 am
@firefly,
It is not possible to figure out Camille because we dont know if Bill did anything wrong, and we dont know what she knows nor what her heart is telling her. We know three things, they have been together a long time, a lot of that time they have been more close than almost any other couple are , and we know that she is smart. That is it.

It is just as likely that contrary to your opinion she is 100% sure that Bill did nothing wrong, and she is especially pissed off with the black media for reporting as if he is guilty after all that he has done for the black community, as well as all that he has tried to do (trying to be a leader working to make the lives of blacks better). I think it is very mean spirited of you to assume that she is trying to save her reputation from a man who you claim cheated on her and probably abused. lots of women.

There are a lot of people who disagree with me on the following but here goes....even if her motives are as bad as possible, she knows Bill is abusive, stays with him and helps cover up his crimes, she is exquisitely on target with her blast of the media. This and the Ferguson thing back to back is enormously demoralizing, and lets add in the rape scare tabloid piece and that even on all of this after reporting on this subject almost all of the media acts as if they are a paid PR arm of the feminists. Nobody even wants to go to the work to try to pretend to be impartial or fair or report the facts as facts and the opinions either as opinions or not at all. Why would they, as they are after money only and the money is had in tabloid journalism, oh, and getting invited the right events and the right parties because they are " the right kind of people". Say the right things in front of enough eyeballs and with enough fake sincerity that most people dont know you are lying and the world is your oyster baby!
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 01:30 am
@firefly,
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You want to stand by your man, Camille, that's fine. But, right now, you seem to be doing it mainly to protect your own self-interests because his dirty mud is splattering on your dress.


I like that.

She was 19. Now 77. That's a long time to "stand by your man".

She also knew of at least 1 affair whether he really told her or told her when the news broke we will never know but she "stood by her man".

Rightly judged in my opinion, when the 2004 case took place, with 13 ladies, she "stood by her man".

Why therefore could anyone believe that, that is not what she is doing now.

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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 01:30 am
@firefly,
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She says she passed out and woke up to him licking her feet.

'I came to and remember seeing this big man crouched over me. It was Bill Cosby and he was at my feet, kind of licking and kissing them and I think he bit my toe as that's what woke me up.

'I kind of thank God for that because that's what woke me up and I came to.

'I was shocked, I said, 'hey, what's going on', he didn't really say anything, didn't explain anything or give a reason.

'He jumped up, pulled his pants back up quickly and left. He had seen that I was alert and bolted out of there, I was left in the room by myself.'

Goins said she is sure Cosby had been licking her breasts and groping her body as well.

She said: 'I remember waking up and feeling moist all over, like he had been licking all over me. He wasn't on my breasts when I woke, but I could feel, you know, the saliva on them and that he'd been licking on me.

'I felt embarrassed, it was a gross, icky feeling, I felt very violated and humiliated.

Bill Cosby doing this in 2008 would be on the same level of death wish as getting on a plane, opening your computer, and watching child porn.

With all that Cosby has worked his ass off for, with all that he has to lose?

Pull the other leg, it plays jingle bells.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:02 am
@firefly,
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She told the Mail Hugh Hefner noticed she looked ill and offered her a bedroom to lie down in.

"Then Bill offered to show me the room, he said he knew the way. He seemed nice and I don't remember feeling nervous or that it was weird," she said.


Does this suggest to you that Bill and Hefner were together at that time? It does to me, how else would Cosby have been able to "offer" the way. Even know the way... which bedroom?

Hefner states he knows/knew nothing of Cosby's allegations.

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FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:06 am
@hawkeye10,
Well all they have to do is confirm that Cosby was with Hefner, that Hefner told her to lay down noting she wasn't well and that Cosby offered to help. Now, would Hefner do that.... I don't think so.

He didn't stop in the 70's Hawkeye. You know anyone that is a serial anything tends to leave things for a while ensuring they can't get caught but inevitably do it again before being caught.

That however would make him 71. Touching / groping only.

71 still going to the Playboy mansion.

That, I have to be honest and say I'm not so sure.

His wife, asked him to "settle down" when he was around 40... He promised he would. A 71 year old going to the Playboy mansion?

That would be the question and answer. Did he. If he did, it's plausible.

Think outside the square Hawkeye.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:10 am
@nononono,
I do get that. I have read quite a few "accusations" made of late due to this and note that some don't look creditable. Some are blatant in my opinion lies, to award themselves fame and money.

I do get that.

I also get that say 13 girls came forward in 2004 now it's doubled. And still going.

I understand some would be on the bandwagon on money...false.

But you know? Some of the witnesses I believe. He only had to do it once, to be a filthy bastard. Let's face it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:11 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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71 still going to the Playboy mansion.

71 and going to the home of one of his best friends for over 45 years...VERY suspicious!
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firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:24 am
@hawkeye10,
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because we dont know if Bill did anything wrong..

We do know he's had affairs, and Camille certainly knows that. He publicly admitted that he gave $100, 000 to one women, he acknowledges he had an affair with, to keep her from going public with the story of their affair.

The media has been protecting Cosby until now. The civil suit against him 10 years ago got some coverage, but not a lot. It's not that the media is ganging up on him now, it's that they should have done more to expose him 10 years ago when that suit was filed. Tina Fey tried to out him for years, using both SNL and 30 Rock to do it, but the mainstream media remained pretty mum about the allegations in that 2004 civil suit--the same allegations that are being made now. 10 years ago, Cosby may still have had enough clout and media connections to keep the media relatively mum. He clearly doesn't have that clout now, and this story is way too big now to be ignored. However, I'll bet he still has a lot of friends in the black media he can rely on to go easy on him--which may be his idea of their remaining "neutral" and allegedly "upholding high journalistic standards". He wants to be able to control what the media says about him--and right now, his best shot at doing that may be with the black media.
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It is just as likely that contrary to your opinion she is 100% sure that Bill did nothing wrong, and she is especially pissed off with the black media for reporting as if he is guilty after all that he has done for the black community


Now you're distorting reality, and way off track. They aren't pissed at the black media--Cosby said quite clearly he expects the black media to be the only media neutral in reporting about him, and to uphold high standards of journalism. He was implying the white media is racially biased and distorting things about him for that reason, and only the black media can be trusted to be fair--he was playing the race card.

And Camille used the Rolling Stone rape story to show how the media promotes false allegations. But, in her husband's case, it's the 2 dozen women who've come forward, and spoken out against him, who have created his problems, not the media. The media would be derelict if they didn't cover these women's stories--they're the ones making the news. They can't get his side of the story, because he refuses to talk about it--he hasn't even denied what these women are saying. Bringing up the RS fiasco won't help her husband's case--not with over 24 accusers and more coming out of the woodwork daily.
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I think it is very mean spirited of you to assume that she is trying to save her reputation from a man who you claim cheated on her and probably abused. lots of women.

That's not what I said.

She's trying to save her own reputation and legacy, because she has one to save, quite apart from his.

I don't think you realize what a stunning blow Spelman College just delivered to both Cosbys by removing both their names from a prestigious professorship chair their $20 million gift to the college helped to endow. And the new Academic Center at Spelman College bears Camille's name, and there is discussion about whether it should continue to bear her name, and whether any association with the now tainted Cosby name is good for the school, even if it's her name--and she hasn't done anything wrong. She's right to be concerned about that possibility, I'm sure she's very proud that Academic Center bears her name and will preserve her memory, and she doesn't want to lose it. In speaking out to defend her husband right now, immediately after what Spelman College did, I think she sees the only way to salvage her own legacy is to defend him--and there's nothing wrong with her trying to do that, or her trying to protect herself.

I'm not mean spirited toward the woman at all--I feel sympathy for her, and the position she's in right now. She's being directly affected by her husband's scandalous mess, that mud is being splattered on her.

So I really don't agree with anything you're saying.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 02:47 am
@firefly,
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We do know he's had affairs, and Camille certainly knows that. He publicly admitted that he gave $100, 000 to one women, he acknowledges he had an affair with, to keep her from going public with the story of their affair

We do? Where was their arrangement published because I never saw it.

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The media has been protecting Cosby until now
Or they thought the claims were too ridiculous to take seriously. And they are in deed hard to take seriously.

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what a stunning blow Spelman College just delivered to both Cosbys by removing both their names from a prestigious professorship chair their $20 million gift to the college helped to endow
Act now, find out the facts maybe later, just like at U VA. But I dont know how the cobsy's feel about it. Maybe at this point they hope everyone takes their name off of everything and return the money because they dont deserve it. Hopefully we get a comment at some point.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:01 am
@firefly,
And, $250,000 in gifts and money to a woman he had a "brief" affair with that claimed that she gave birth to his child.

His comments.. "maybe, it's possible"..

And his wife stands by him?

Stand by me.................she was only 19.
firefly
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:03 am
@hawkeye10,
You don't even know he's been having affairs?

Why don't you read up about both Cosby and his wife. She's acknowledged knowing about his affairs, she calls them his "selfish" behaviors, she's spoken about them in interviews, and I think she's written about them.

His public persona as a great husband and family man was all based on a fictional character--Cliff Huxtable--not on what Bill Cosby was really like. And some people are still confusing the two which is why they have a hard time accepting that the real BC is a sleazebag.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:04 am
@hawkeye10,
From 50/50 you are acting 0 /100 right about now.

He did pay off a mistress. Go have a read.

The media has done nothing but praise Cosby for all he's done, up until now, why would he suggest " black media do it right".

Remember again my link, before 2004 court case about the media and his thoughts .

This isn't just about Bill anymore, his wife is worthy, earn't money, is intelligent, gained her own fame. She will do anything to restore that. What "person" wouldn't. Her whole life was about giving and getting it right, her entire life.
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:09 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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And, $250,000 in gifts and money to a woman he had a "brief" affair with that claimed that she gave birth to his child.

you realize that he could give away that much money every day for 4 years and still have $35 million leftover to live on.....right?
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:12 am
@firefly,
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Why don't you read up about both Cosby and his wife. She's acknowledged knowing about his affairs, she calls them his "selfish" behaviors, she's spoken about them in interviews, and I think she's written about them.


Like there was a chance in hell that she would admit that they have an open relationship and Bill can do what ever he wants in California, if it were true.

As usual we get you making claims that dont stand up to 5 seconds of evaluation.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:19 am
@ehBeth,
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a friend of mine is in entertainment media - has been for about 35 years

he told us about rumblings about Cosby and other women at least 25 years ago. apparently Camille was always working on controlling the media. she's been doing damage control for a long time. she always sounded like a very tough bird.


This!!!!

Thanks ehBeth
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:22 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Camille has been deeply involved in huge chunks of Bills commercial life.
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