1 in 5 women get raped?

@hawkeye10,

"when rights and the law should be about what people do, not why they do them."

That moment you realize that you don't apply this to the elderly.

That makes it a double standard.

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@firefly,

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Are you implying that elderly rape victims shouldn't have access to the resources and support services available to all other crime victims and rape survivors, or they shouldn't be counted in allocating funds for these resources? Are they too old to deserve these "resources"?

I am not Bill but I will say that when those 50 and over account for 30% of the population but suffer only 3% of the rapes that we best put our efforts to stop rape someplace else.

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@hawkeye10,

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dont know and dont care, I am not a sick pervert and I see no reason to put in the effort to empathize when rights and the law should be about what people do, not why they do them.

Why is a 19 year old who rapes an 85 year old nun, any more a "sick pervert" than a 19 year old frat boy who rapes a severely intoxicated, barely conscious, or unconscious, 18 year old female college student?

The frat boy doesn't have to beat the girl into submission first, he just picks one who's already zonked out from the alcohol his fraternity has provided, and who is now passed out, or close to it, in a frat house bedroom--alcohol is the most widely used date rape drug.

The crimes are the same--the act of rape is the same--whether it's the rape of that 85 year old nun, or the rape of the incapacitated college student--the victim was targeted for being vulnerable. And there is no logical reason to regard these rapes as being essentially different. Rape is an opportunistic crime.

The law is about what people do--some of them commit rape, against victims of all ages. And all of those rapes contribute to the rape statistics.

And people of all ages--even those in the 50+ AARP group--deserve to be protected by the sexual assault/rape laws, and to see efforts made to deter and stop rapes.

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Hawk and Bill,

you should be ashamed.

You're giving a nut ammunition to use against you to assume moral rising.

Because you can't get your head out of your asses.

Jesus Christ, this is why nothing gets done - idiots like you make sense until one part, then you are immovable and never want to move then reduce yourself to the insanity of those you oppose.

Join them why don't you. You could be a double agent.

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@One Eyed Mind,

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you should be ashamed.

You're giving a nut ammunition to use against you to assume moral rising.

I am not here to battle people, I am here to battle ideas. Seek truth, and let the chips fall where they may.

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@hawkeye10,

Elderly rape is AN IDEA.

"Rape" is the topic.

What happened to the elderly that you pretend don't exist again?

Oh, yeah. They got raped.

While we're at it, let's all just put everything on the table.

Animal rape. Elderly rape. Women Rape. Men rape. Child rape. Corpse rape.

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@nononono,

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Whenever someone makes light of the suffering of an entire group of people, that is bigotry. Period

Well, then your buddy, Hawkeye is definitely a bigot. He's apparently willing to discard the entire past history of racial mistreatment suffered by blacks in this country because the "black victim story has lost all of its credibility" and he feels "its time to move on" because he wants to use the n-word.

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I believe that the black victim story has lost all of its credibility during my lifetime, we should move on, and so should our language..I believe that the blacks using it makes me free to use it.
http://able2know.org/topic/259008-4#post-5812054

Hawkeye feels that blacks, or anyone else, taking offense to the use of the n-word by a white man, is simply being "out of date"? How do you, as a black man, feel about whites referring to blacks as "niggers"?

Don't answer here, go over to Hawkeye's thread "Is Nigger an OK Word to Use? "--he's looking for answers to that question, and he should hear from one of the very few black members at A2K. Or would you be afraid to tell him what you think?
http://able2know.org/topic/259008-4

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@firefly,

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Hawkeye feels that blacks, or anyone else, taking offense to the use of the n-word by a white man, is simply being "out of date"?

I ask if the prohibition against the word is out of date, a question being asked at WP today.

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Bahr’s discomfort with the word was ingrained and complete. He was raised to believe the word was all but unspeakable — although he says he has family members in Georgia who use the word to speak disparagingly about African Americans. When he tells stories about those family members, he uses “blank” instead of “n-word” or the actual word — a euphemism of a euphemism.

His views meshed with those of other white teachers and coaches of his generation, as well as with the views of older black coaches, including some on his staff. The word was hurtful. End of story.

But the more Bahr got to know his players at Springbrook, the more he came to realize that not only was it futile to ban that particular word — but it might also be unfair, an imposition of his own cultural mores on a group that did not share his views or his hang-ups, let alone his race. It was an essential part of the vocabularies and discourse of his players — and even the youngest of his coaches — tossed among them freely as a term of endearment. Who was he to say that was wrong?

So this year, somewhat grudgingly, he has stopped policing the word.

“I don’t view myself as an old-school, militaristic football coach,” he says. “I want them to be free-thinking. . . . Things are just so different from my generation to this one. I don’t want to deny myself a chance to gain some insight into their lives. But it’s tough to let go of our [generational] disdain for that word.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/11/09/football-team-illustrates-shift-in-attitude-toward-use-of-a-once-taboo-word/?hpid=z3

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@hawkeye10,

That question, in the WP, was asked of mainly young black football players and older black coaches at one particular school. Even the younger blacks don't seem entirely comfortable hearing the word from non-black peers. And the older black coaches don't feel comfortable hearing it from the young black players.

It's about a generational gap in how blacks feel about the word being used by other blacks. And whether the younger blacks should be prohibited from using the word because of how older blacks react to it.

The word isn't "prohibited" from use in the general population--most people don't use it because they understand how extremely offensive it is.

Where does that article address black adults, or black teens, hearing the word from white adults, and how acceptable they find that?

Don't you even want to hear the opinion of one of the very few black members of A2K on whether he thinks the offensiveness of the word, when used by whites, is "out of date"? Or whether he thinks it is okay for everyone, not just blacks, to start using the word "nigger" again?

Why did you jump in here to respond to something I addressed to him?

Anyone interested in your topic, "Is Nigger an OK Word to Use? can go to that thread and read it for themselves--don't drag the topic over here.
http://able2know.org/topic/259008-1

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@firefly,

Well there you have it NONO, Firefly thinks u wii think less of me because I use the word nigger. What power that word has, brains go into a frenzy when ever they hear it. In alot of ways it is like the word rape, people hear it and their brains go into shutdown unable to process reason.

I hope to see you over there if you have anything to say on the subject, either on if that word should be out of vocabularies or if there should be segregation of the english language, maybe with each victims group having their own language with penalties for using other groups language

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@hawkeye10,

No, Hawkeye, I'm honestly interested in nononono's thinking about your "Nigger" thread. It makes no sense for you to ask the question "Is Nigger An OK Word to Use" of only whites.

No, the n-word isn't like the word "rape"--it is a much more emotionally loaded highly offensive word--particularly when used by whites toward blacks, or by whites to refer to blacks.

I really don't care what nononono thinks of you, I'm interested in his opinion of what you've been saying in that other thread.

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@firefly,

Liar, if that was the casebyou would have PMed the invite rather than placing it here.

You playing like we are imbeciles is super offensive. Knock it off.

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@hawkeye10,

No, I am genuinely interested in his opinion of your views in that thread--whatever they are. That particular thread needs some input from a black perspective. Unfortunately, we have very few black members still left at A2K.

Stop calling me a liar, you creep. I had no need to PM nononono--I was responding to a post he made in this thread. It was logical I put the suggestion he visit your other thread here, given what I was responding to.

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You playing like we are imbeciles is super offensive.

Who's the "we"? Are you back to pompously using the royal "we" to refer to yourself? Laughing

I really don't know why any of this bothers you, and I really don't care.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Hawkeye feels that blacks, or anyone else, taking offense to the use of the n-word by a white man, is simply being "out of date"? How do you, as a black man, feel about whites referring to blacks as "niggers"?

Mememe cares more about licking Hawkeye's ringpiece than pretending to be black.

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@izzythepush,

Why do you two keep bumping a rape thread when for the first time in awhile no one wants to talk about rape? You children please go someplace else and play.

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@hawkeye10,

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Why do you two keep bumping a rape thread when for the first time in awhile no one wants to talk about rape? You children please go someplace else and play.

I made one post to nononono. not to you, and, in response to that, you hotfooted it over here because that got you all hot and bothered, and caused you to make 4 posts in this thread. You started the bumping, Bozo, because you had no legitimate reason to come back here to post something about the topic in another thread.

How do you know what other people want to talk about? Why are you afraid of more posts being made in this thread? Why don't you go hide elsewhere, where you'll feel safe, until BillRM shows up to protect you.

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@hawkeye10,

Your constant need to point out how mature you are makes you sound very much like a teenage girl.

Are you having trouble getting out of character?

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

How do you know what other people want to talk about?

listening

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@hawkeye10,

I love the idea of banning a word for non-blacks only even when the word is not being used as an insult aimed at another human being.

Will blacks be punished for using the word redneck or cracker also?

How about anyone non Latin using the word spick?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs_by_ethnicity

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

listening

That might have been a reasonable response if you'd not limited yourself to just one word. Listening is vague and could mean anything, perhaps you are eagerly listening to what advice Firefly has to impart.

If you'd embarked on the challenging prospect of putting two words together, you might have come up with the phrase By listening, which is what I suspect you meant.

It's not true though, you don't listen to anything, which is why you prattle out such nonsense day in day out, like Kim Jong Un being in Switzerland.

Your lickspittles like Meemeemeeee, One Celled Mind and Billyboyrimmaster may pm you supportively, but most people think you're a self obsessed idiot who can't stop playing the victim card.

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