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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2015 05:21 pm
@firefly,
Firefly, you have heard very little about this case (as have I).

You are just as ignorant about this case as I am. Yet, you are making wild claims about what happened based on a very small amount of one-sided information.

I am holding judgment until there is more information.

The operative phrase here is "rush to judgement".

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 04:46 am
@maxdancona,
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You are just as ignorant about this case as I am.

No, in the interests of truth, I must defer to your much greater ignorance. Don't be so modest, you are truly clueless about whether rape occurs, even when there is videotaped evidence to document it, and that puts your professed ignorance/dumbness into a whole new dimension and in a class by itself.
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Yet, you are making wild claims about what happened based on a very small amount of one-sided information.

What "wild claims" have I made about what happened? Can't you manage to be at all accurate?

Is it a "wild claim" on my part that a videotape of this sexual assault exists? Has the video been released? Have the police departments in more than one state concurred that it appears to show a crime in progress?

Have criminal suspects been identified, charged, and arrested, based on their behavior captured in that video? Have they appeared before a judge who concurred that there is evidence to support and justify the criminal sexual assault charges against them?

The claims made in this case thus far--not by me, I'm not making any of the claims-- but by the police in more than one state, by a D.A., by a judge, etc. seem anything but "wild". They seem to rest on a very firm foundation.

Unlike eyewitness reports, which can be notoriously unreliable, or one-sided statements made by victims or suspects in a crime, videotape of a crime in progress is empirical evidence, and it is a gift to prosecutors when it is obtained in a sexual assault matter, and particularly when it involves a sexual assault crime which might otherwise never have been known about or reported. And, in this particular case, the audio on the tape further illuminates the assailants' state of mind and awareness of their victim's incapacitation. A video couldn't be more damning or damaging to a defense of their actions.
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I am holding judgment until there is more information.

Good for you, given your admitted ignorance. No one is asking you to make a judgment.

And, currently in the news, another rape has been uncovered thanks to videotaped evidence--this one involving high school students.
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Three high school students charged with rape
Akeam Ashford,
April 14, 2015

Three juveniles charged with rape

UPDATE:

The Sedgwick County District Attorney's office says it's seeking to try three high school students as adults, in a rape investigation.

Wichita Police took the teens into custody in February, after finding a video of the incident.

Police say the alleged incident did not happen on school property or at a school function.

Court documents show the victim was incapacitated and unable to give consent at the time because of mental deficiency or disease or the effect of any alcohol, narcotics, or another drug or substance.

According DA's office, the first suspect, a 16 year-old is charged with two counts of rape.

He is also charged with one count of misdemeanor criminal restraint for holding a second victim against their will.

Documents show suspect number two is a 17 year-old, charged with one count of rape and one count of criminal restraint.

A third suspect, also a 17 year-old is charged with one count of rape.

A judge ordered all three suspects to be held at the Sedgwick County Juvenile Detention Facility.

Records show suspect one has a pre-trial hearing set for April 22, 2015 at 8:30 a.m.

Suspect two has a pre-trial hearing set for April, 23 at 8:30 a.m., and suspect three has a pre-trial hearing set for April 21, at 8:30 a.m.

In each of the hearings a judge will determine if the suspects will be tried as adults.

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Wichita police confirm three Wichita Heights High School students have been charged with rape.

We're just now learning about the incident, which police say the students recorded in February.

Police say the case involves three students, all from Heights and that the rape was caught on video.

One student is charged with two counts of rape and one count of criminal restraint.

A second student is charged with one count of rape and one count of criminal restraint, and the third student is charged with one count of rape.

School officials say the incident did not happen on school property or at a school function.

The students involved in the report have not returned to school since the incident occurred.
http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/three-heights-students-facing-rape-charges/32348430











maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 05:08 am
@firefly,
Ok, Firefly. You are doubling down.

You are declaring that "a rape has been uncovered" the week after an arrest has taken place before anyone has heard anything from the defense. That is a wild claim to make (based only on a brief press account).

There are a number of people who have been arrested for a crime who turn out to be innocent, and that the reason we have trials is that people accused of a crime have the right to defend themselves.

I suppose this point isn't going to get much traction in this thread. This is another rush to judgement.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 06:23 am
@maxdancona,
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You are declaring that "a rape happened" the week after an arrest has taken place before anyone has heard anything from the defense. That is a wild claim to make (based only on a brief press account).


This alleged "wild claim" that "a rape happened" was not made by me, nor is it based on only a brief press account. it was made by a D.A. in an open public courtroom, to a judge who did not find the sexual assault charges against these defendants "wild" but, rather, found them to be supported and justified by videotaped evidence of these suspects criminal behaviors. And videotaped evidence of their client's criminal behavior is a defense attorney's worst nightmare.

Look, Max, you've already admitted your ignorance regarding this case, so you have no legitimate basis for calling the claims of law enforcement "wild". Your ignorance means you can't pass judgment on law enforcement's actions either, in terms of the arrests and charges already made in this case.
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There are a number of people who have been arrested for a crime who turn out to be innocent, and that the reason we have trials is that people accused of a crime have the right to defend themselves.

Gee, thanks for the civics lesson, Max.

And, I repeat, having to explain videotaped evidence of their client's criminal behavior is a defense attorney's worst nightmare...

No one is interfering with these defendants' due process, and their right to defend themselves from the criminal charges already lodged against them, simply by voicing their own opinions in threads like this one, and it's overly simplistic, misleading, and irrelevant, on your part to even suggest that is going on here. I know you are trying to engage me on this matter, but frankly, I find you have nothing of real interest to say about this case that would make me want to respond any further and waste even more time on you.

You want to withhold your judgment of these suspects, go right ahead, but that doesn't make you morally superior, or fairer in any way. And be sure to withhold your judgment of law enforcement as well, so ditch the bias you've already displayed by calling their claims "wild".

It's not a "rush to judgment" when police have videotaped empirical evidence a violent crime took place and videotaped empirical evidence of who committed it--in such cases, law enforcement should move as quickly as possible to arrest those suspects and bring criminal charges against them. That's efficient police work.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 08:27 am
@firefly,
Let's get this straight Firefly,

You are the one who is rushing to judgement by pronouncing them guilty when all you know about the case is what you read in a news account... especially considering the fact that this case hasn't even been before a grand jury yet.

I am not accusing the police of making a rush to judgement or the DA of making a rush to judgement. Their job is to investigate crimes and to file charges.

Of course we all understand that an arraignment doesn't indicate guilt particularly before the defense even has a chance to respond. You really can't see that your pronouncement of guilt is a little premature?

But, no... I am not saying the police are rushing to judgement. The police are doing their job and have a lot more to go on than a news account. The police will investigate and collect evidence, the defendants will get legal counsel. Then there will be a grand jury... and if they agree with the DA that there is a case, there will be a trial.

But you have skipped all of that and decided that they are guilty based on a news report about the first charges being filed.

The person rushing to judgement is you.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:19 am
@maxdancona,
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Let's get this straight Firefly,

You don't seem able to get anything straight, Max. Laughing

My info doesn't come from a "news account"--it comes from listening directly to the police statements. And I have not declared these suspects legally guilty or definitively criminally responsible, any more than law enforcement has yet, but these arrests were not based on any sort of "he said/she said scenario", they were based on the police viewing empirical videotaped evidence of the behavior of these three men, in a recorded situation that police in two states agreed depicted a gang rape. And the police have released at least a potion of the video for public view and broadcast.

And you seem to be of the misunderstanding that D.A.'s always take cases to a Grand Jury for indictment when that is not the case. Since this case has empirical videotaped evidence of the suspects' alleged criminal behaviors, I can't imagine why a D.A. would bother with a Grand Jury since the videotaped evidence alone would most likely satisfy a judge that there is probable cause for the sexual assault charges.

And, what's the big deal if you, personally, feel I'm rushing to judgment? It doesn't affect this case, or those defendants, in any way, my thinking can change if new evidence is discovered or revealed, and I have little regard for your holier than thou pronouncements about my opinions.

So, let's get this straight, Max, as far as I am concerned, you offer nothing thoughtful to this discussion, or present any compelling reason for me to continue to satisfy your needs for attention by responding to you.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:31 am
@firefly,
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My info doesn't come from a "news account"--it comes from listening directly to the police statements.


Well that clears it all up. Wink

You brought this case up as proof of something (I am not really even sure what).

I don't know why you had to bring up this case, that hasn't even gone before a grand jury yet, to prove whatever point you were trying to prove. Couldn't you have instead referred to a case that had actually been tried to make whatever point you were trying to make?

That way we could have had a balanced view of all sides of the issue.


firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:09 am
@maxdancona,
You're remaining true to form in continuing to be inaccurate, misinformed, and just plain ignorant. Laughing You still can't get anything straight. Laughing

I didn't bring this case up, it was bobsal u1553115 who did, posting it as a current news story involving rape by college students. Laughing

I love to see you sanctimonious types making fools of yourselves. Your humor value is your biggest asset Laughing .


maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:21 am
@firefly,
No Firefly, This is the case you brought up to prove some point.

http://able2know.org/topic/257742-106#post-5934267

This case hasn't even gone to a grand jury yet, and still based only on this news acount you said

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And, currently in the news, another rape has been uncovered thanks to videotaped evidence--this one involving high school students.


You can't blame this on Bobsal. This rush to judgement is all yours.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 06:05 pm
It turns out that this area of the beach has been been the subject of intense political pressure for these last years, one one side are the business owners who make it is said 30% of their yearly profits during spring break, on the other are some of the local citizens who dont want to have all of these university students around. A lot more arrests where made this year than normal, which the sheriff is claiming has to do with the students behavior getting worse, but it may be that the increased arrests are driven by the sheriff being in get rid of the spring breakers school, as he clearly is.

We have seen this before where communities decide that they dont want to have this business so they drive the university students out, usually using SAFETY! as their stated reason (how unusual!), then often a few years later after they see the full effects of not getting that money they change their minds.

I have seen the video that the police gave the journalists and it show nothing but a lot of young people seeming to have a good time. Till the police come up with actual evidence that they share with me or a jury I am going to assume that the is much ado about not much, as part of a political struggle at panama city.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 02:50 pm
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Panama City Gang Rape: A Kitty Genovese for the YouTube Era
Charlotte Lytton
04.16.15

Like the neighbors 50 years ago who looked on as a young woman was murdered, why did hundreds of onlookers just watch—and film—a gang rape this Spring Break in Panama City?

In Panama City, Florida, a horror show is playing out.

After phone footage of a girl being gang-raped in front of hundreds was discovered by cops, it has been revealed that a string of such incidents had taken place; on different days—maybe—and recorded on different phones. Among the confusion, one thing remains a constant: the profile of the victim. Young, drugged, and only aware of the nightmare that had befallen her after videos of the attack wound up online. That a trend of this nature has been allowed to proliferate is disturbing to the core.

This particular recording was found during an unconnected investigation into an Alabama shooting. The footage shows the victim being sexually assaulted by four men while crowds of Spring Break revelers look on and do nothing—except see fit to capture the attack on film. “This is not the first video we’ve recovered,” Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen said of the grim discovery. “It’s not the second video. It’s not the third video. There’s a number of videos we’ve recovered with things similar to this, and I can only imagine how many things we haven’t recovered.”

The girl in question contacted the authorities after she recognized her tattoos in the video of her assault on the news, prompting her to seek action against her perpetrators. She told police that she had been too nervous to file a report initially as she had struggled to remember exact details of what had taken place. McKeithen described the footage as “one of the most disgusting, repulsive, sickening things that I’ve seen...no more than a group of wild animals preying on a carcass as it’s laying in the woods.” He urged residents to “take back our beaches.”

These aren’t attacks merely restricted to beaches, though—in Panama City or elsewhere. These are assaults carried out after school, at parties, in people’s homes. The message is, increasingly, that there is no place where girls will ever be truly safe from the sexual brutality so frequently doled out by the opposite sex and that even once their nightmare appears to be over, scores of kids with camera phones will ensure it never ends.

It is not that more girls and women are being raped—according to the National Crime Victimization survey, the numbers have been in decline over the past four decades—but that with the touch of a button, someone’s personal hell can instantly become public property. The uncomfortable truth is that we have developed an appetite for viral videos truly horrific in nature: Whether it’s an unconscious girl being gang-raped, or a black man being executed by police, or a hostage being burned alive in a cage, there is now some kind of currency to be found in this grotesque cultural click bait.

We tell ourselves that seeing such acts will not desensitize us; that we need to see exactly what happened to better understand the story. But anyone who maintains that repeatedly watching the torture of innocents doesn’t make them a part of the problem is wildly misguided. We cannot make ourselves complicit in these vile acts and then pretend we are different from those who stood by and watched simply because we did so from the comfort of our homes.

One of the most disturbing things about this case is what might have happened had that phone never been seized in an unconnected arrest, in another state, one month later. How much longer would Panama City’s murky truth have slid under the radar? How many more girls would have been encouraged to spend their vacation there without knowing of its dangerous reputation? How many more lives would have been thrown into turmoil by an assault so devastating at the time and again later, after it had been broadcast to the world?

Without these foul attacks, no such videos could be taken—of that there is no question. A point must come, though, where people understand that the correct response to sexual abuse is not to shoot some grotesque home video but to help a person evidently in need. How we have reached a point where that is not abundantly clear is bewildering.

A third suspect has now been arrested: Whether any of the trio will be convicted seems, statistically speaking, unlikely. But we must try, in some small way at least, to remain hopeful for justice. Perhaps there are signs of growth to be found in the fact that this story has made both national and international news; perhaps, with the world paying attention, something might change. Yet it is unsettling, still, that such incidents are taking place. Sexual assault is wrong, and recording and sharing a sexual assault is wrong. We’re just going to have to keep saying it until people start listening.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/16/panama-city-gang-rape-a-kitty-genovese-for-the-youtube-era.html

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 02:57 pm
@firefly,
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Whether any of the trio will be convicted seems, statistically speaking, unlikely

Perhaps for good reason

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One of the most disturbing things about this case is what might have happened had that phone never been seized in an unconnected arrest, in another state, one month later. How much longer would Panama City’s murky truth have slid under the radar? How many more girls would have been encouraged to spend their vacation there without knowing of its dangerous reputation? How many more lives would have been thrown into turmoil by an assault so devastating at the time and again later, after it had been broadcast to the world?

Without these foul attacks, no such videos could be taken—of that there is no question. A point must come, though, where people understand that the correct response to sexual abuse is not to shoot some grotesque home video but to help a person evidently in need. How we have reached a point where that is not abundantly clear is bewildering.


Yes, we just have to understand our instructions from the minders, those who are always trying to boss us around. Maybe the people dont agree with the government/feminist cooperatives approach to sex policing, maybe we dont want to become a snitch culture, maybe we think that people need to learn from their mistakes so being fast to jump in to save them from their own stupidity is not in their best interests.
nononono
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 03:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
I just logged on here out of curiosity because I hadn't checked in in awhile. So firefly is at it again with her 'men are all rapists' bullshit huh?

Hahahaha! Some things never change.

i don't know if it's been touched on here yet, but what do you guys think about what ended up happening with the UVA thing?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 04:21 pm
@nononono,
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what do you guys think about what ended up happening with the UVA thing?

Do you mean Rolling Stone saying "**** it, we dont care if we got it wrong"?

I was not happy, nor was I surprised. Many who claim to be journalists have decided that Tina Brown is right that if there is money to be made in sensational emotion driven writing then have at it, that sticking to reporting to knowable facts or at least giving warning when speaking non facts is so 1950's.

Do you mean the Frat asking for an apology from the university and not getting it? Ya, they were expecting too much.

Do you mean people still supporting a lying bitch who set out to hurt a group of guys she barely or not at all knows, under the theory "maybe she is a victim and we dont now it"? Sad but Predictable.
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2015 06:08 am
@hawkeye10,
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2015 08:28 am
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Jameis Winston Being Sued by Woman Who Accused Him of Rape in 2012
By MARC TRACY
APRIL 16, 2015

The woman who accused the former Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston of sexually assaulting her in 2012 filed a lawsuit against him on Thursday, two weeks before the N.F.L. draft.

In the lawsuit, which was filed in a state court in Orlando, the former Florida State student Erica Kinsman accused Mr. Winston of “forcible rape.” Ms. Kinsman had previously identified herself in the recent documentary “The Hunting Ground.”

Mr. Winston, who won the Heisman Trophy and led the Seminoles to a national championship during the 2013-14 season, was never questioned by the Tallahassee Police Department. Prosecutors ultimately declined to charge Mr. Winston, who said the encounter was consensual.

John Clune, a lawyer for Ms. Kinsman, said Thursday that Ms. Kinsman was not trying to affect Mr. Winston’s draft stock or future income, but that she wanted to hold him accountable.

“This is not about trying to get the most money out of Jameis Winston,” Mr. Clune said.

Had Mr. Winston been criminally charged, Mr. Clune added, “or if he had been found responsible and expelled, the need to do something like a civil lawsuit would have gone way down, and would not necessarily have been something we would have pursued.”...

The civil lawsuit filed Thursday seeks damages under four outlawed areas of behavior: sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment and intentional infliction of emotional distress. It requests a jury trial and monetary damages....
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/sports/football/jameis-winston-being-sued-by-accuser-in-alleged-rape-in-2012.html?_r=0


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The Jameis Winston Rape Lawsuit Has Some Damaging New Information
April 17, 2015
Jessica Luther

On Thursday, April 16, two weeks shy of the NFL draft, Erica Kinsman filed a civil complaint against Jameis Winston, the FSU quarterback who will almost certainly be one of the draft's top picks. Kinsman is suing Winston for "sexual battery, assault, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress arising out of forcible rape" that she says happened early on the morning of December 7, 2012.

The lawsuit—obtained by VICE Sports and embedded at the bottom of this report—contains two new bits of information that could prove damaging for Winston. The first is then-Winston teammate Ronald Darby's remorseful Facebook message the morning after the assault—Darby is one of two FSU players who was present the evening of the assault. The second is that Kinsman's legal team has located the cab driver who took Kinsman to Winston's apartment the evening of the assault—something both the Tallahassee Police Department and state attorney's office had failed to do.

According to the suit Kinsman filed against Winston, on the evening of December 6, 2012, she met Winston—whom she did not know or recognize at the time—at a popular bar just off of FSU's campus. While there, a man who she believed to have been Winston "offered [Kinsman] a shot of an unknown liquor, which she consumed." She eventually ended up in a cab with Winston and two of his teammates, Chris Casher and Ronald Darby. Back at Winston and Casher's apartment, she says that Winston took her into his bedroom, removed her clothes, and raped her despite her protests. While Winston had her on the bed, the suit says, Darby and Casher were watching, with Casher filming part of it. The Tallahassee Police Department (TPD) did not interview Casher until November 2013 and by that time he said he had deleted the video and gotten rid of the phone.

The complaint adds a new wrinkle to this story: "Darby also entered the room but told Winston, 'Dude, she is telling you to stop,'" it reads. In response, Kinsman says, "Winston picked her up in a fireman's carry, walked her into his bathroom, deposited her onto the hard floor, and locked the door." Kinsman says that Darby then left. For the first time ever, we learn that "the next day, [Darby] posted to his Facebook page 'I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh #stupid.'"

On the same day in November 2013 that the TPD publicly released a heavily redacted version of the initial police report, Casher and Darby, at the behest of Winston's lawyer and before police could interview them, drafted affidavits of what they remembered from that night 11 months earlier. In his affidavit, Darby said nothing about trying to stop Winston and instead swore that after Casher "walked in Jameis' room and the girl told Chris to get out," she then "got up [and] turned off the light and shut the bedroom door." Darby was was interviewed by the TPD 2 days after giving his affidavit. In that interview he did not say anything about intervening. Instead, he backed up what he said had sworn to two days earlier.

Kinsman reported the assault to the TPD with a couple of hours, the officer noting then that Kinsman "was having a hard time remembering what exactly happen [sic] and in what order they happen [sic]."

An hour later at the hospital, while getting a rape kit done, she told a TPD officer that Winston removed her clothes, raped her in the bedroom, was interrupted by "possibly the suspect's roommate" who told him to stop, and was then taken to the bathroom where Winston continued the assault. Later that same day, she went to the police station where she once again told her story to the TPD, both in a handwritten statement and verbally to a detective.

At the disciplinary hearing FSU held in December 2014, roughly two years after the night she first reported the assault, Kinsman again recounted this same series of events: Winston undressed her, raped her on the bed, she told him no, he was interrupted when his friend intervened, he took her to the bathroom, locked the door, she struggled, he pinned her down and covered her face, and then he raped her again.

Kinsman was unable to identify her perpetrator at that time but she told the TPD things like the man's roommate's first name (Chris) and that the roommate was the only freshman starter on the football team. Those two facts alone should have been enough to find the man since Chris Casher was the only true freshman playing football for FSU. Kinsman would first learn Winston's name on January 10, 2013, when she and Winston attended the first day of class and were enrolled in the same one. She called the TPD that day and told them she now knew the man's name.

Winston has never been interviewed by the police or the state attorney's office, and refused to answer questions at the disciplinary hearing. He did read a five-page statement, though, in which he affirmed, "she willingly engaged in multiple sexual acts with me with her full knowledge and consent. I did not rape or sexually asault [Kinsman]. I did not create a hostile, intimidating, or offensive environment. In the short time period that we were together [Kinsman] had the capacity to consent to having sex with me, and she repeatedly did so by her conduct and verbal expressions."

Later, when asked by the judge overseeing the case about how Winston knew Kinsman was consenting, Winston said she did so "verbally and physically." When pressed to explain, he said, "Moaning is mostly physically. Well, moaning is physically. And verbally at that time, Your Honor."

No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each case has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported.

In her new civil suit against Winston, Kinsman has requested a trial by jury and "respectively demands judgment against [Winston] for money damages in excess of $15,000, costs, and such other and further relief as the Court may deem just and proper." The standard of evidence will not be like the criminal court Meggs would have faced had he pressed charges. It will be, rather, like the FSU disciplinary hearing, the one where the judge found them equally credible.

In this new case, though, Kinsman is clearly going to bring up a second possible sexual assault case against Winston. She first introduced this case in the lawsuit she filed against FSU in January. It appears again in this one: "On October 25, 2013, Plaintiff's victim advocate at FSU informed her that a second woman had come forward and reported being sexually assaulted by Winston."

Kinsman also appears poised to argue that FSU athletics might have intervened at some point early on. "On January 22, 2013," the complaint reads, "the FSU Athletics Department was in contact with the Tallahassee Police and learned that Winston had been identified as the suspect in Plaintiff's violent sexual assault. High-ranking members of the football department met with Winston and his lawyer, whom FSU officials arranged for Winston, to discuss the rape accusations." This mimics what she said in her suit against FSU, though it is less pointed. In January, her complaint stated that Jimbo Fisher and athletic director Frances Bonasorte among other "high-ranking FSU Athletic Department football officials" led a "deliberate concealment of student-on-student sexual harassment to protect the football program" which "deprived Plaintiff of her rights under Title IX and caused substantial damages." She said that this meant "for the next eleven months, FSU did nothing to investigate Plaintiff's report of rape while the FSU Athletics Department continued to the keep the incident a secret." Mike McIntire and Walt Bogdanich wrote in the New York Times in October 2014 that after "senior Florida State athletic officials met privately with Mr. Winston's lawyer, they decided, on behalf of the university, not to begin an internal disciplinary inquiry, as required by federal law."

Finally, it appears that Kinsman's legal team has found the cab driver from the morning of December 7 that the TPD and state attorney were unable to locate. In her complaint, Kinsman says, "the cab driver observed the Plaintiff appeared to be impaired." This is a curious sentence because, so far, no one had located the cab driver. Whether Kinsman got into the cab on her own, whether she was intimidated into getting in the cab, and whether she knew what was happening while in the cab are questions that were raised during the disciplinary hearing and by people who question whether she has lied about the entire incident and is covering up for consensual sex she later regretted. What the cab driver has to say could matter deeply in how this case is perceived, especially regarding Kinsman's ability to consent that night.

Winston's lawyer, David Cornwell, released a statement to the media on Friday morning saying, "This stunt was expected. Kinsman's false accusations have already been exposed and rejected six times. This time will be no different. Mr. Winston welcomes the opportunity to clear his name with the truth. Mr. Winston is looking forward to the upcoming draft. He will not permit this ploy to distract him as he begins the journey of fulfilling his lifelong dream of being a championship quarterback in the National Football League."

Cornwell has said in the past that Winston would possibly countersue if Kinsman ever brought a suit against his client. It appears Kinsman and her legal team, armed with the new information in their suit, are not intimidated by that possibility.
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-jameis-winston-rape-lawsuit-has-some-damaging-new-information


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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- A former Florida State University student on Thursday filed a lawsuit against top NFL prospect Jameis Winston, saying he assaulted and raped her at an off-campus apartment in 2012.

...John Clune, a lawyer for Kinsman, said in a statement there are consequences for Winston's behavior "and since others have refused to hold him accountable, our client will."

"Erica hopes to show other survivors the strength and empowerment that can come from refusing to stay silent no matter what forces are against you," Clune said. "Jameis Winston in contrast has proven time and time again to be an entitled athlete who believes he can take what he wants. He took something here that he was not entitled to and he hurt someone."

The AP generally does not routinely identify people who say they are victims of sexual assault. However, Kinsman has told her story publicly in a documentary.

The lawsuit, which goes into detail about the 2012 incident, accuses Winston of rape, assault, false imprisonment and emotional distress.

Because the burden of proof is much lower in a civil lawsuit than in a criminal case, Kinsman could have a better chance of winning a jury verdict if it goes to trial.

David S. Weinstein, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice in Miami, said in a civil case the standard amounts to the "greater weight" of the evidence, or "merely tipping the scales in favor of the plaintiff."

In a criminal case, prosecutors must prove a person's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning jurors must be entirely convinced of guilt.

"The scales have to be tipped all the way over to the side of the prosecution," said Weinstein, who is not involved in the case.

Weinstein also said that he thought Kinsman's chances of prevailing were good, based on the detailed allegations and multiple witness statements in the lawsuit. But that doesn't mean it will be easy.

"The defense will drag her character through the mud, so this is going to be an unpleasant process for her," he said. "However, Winston has a lot to lose, so I foresee a settlement and not a trial."...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/16/jameis-winston-sued-rape_n_7082762.html

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nononono
 
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Reply Sat 2 May, 2015 08:30 pm
Mother-of-five 'played naked Twister with teen daughter and her friends during drunken party then had sex with 18-year-old in the bathroom'

Rachel Lehnardt, 35, 'allowed her 16-year-old daughter and her friends drink alcohol and smoke marijuana in her Georgia home'

They 'all played naked Twister and Lehnardt had sex with an 18-year-old man in the bathroom before playing with sex toys in front of the teens'

She said she went to bed alone but awoke to her daughter's 16-year-old boyfriend having sex with her; there are no charges against him.

After the incident, she lost custody of her children and told her AA sponsor, who contacted authorities

A mother-of-five threw her teenage daughter a party, played naked Twister with her friends and then had sex with an 18-year-old in the bathroom, authorities have said.

Rachel Lynn Lehnardt, 35, from Evans, Georgia, was arrested on Saturday night and has been charged with two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

The details of the drunken party emerged when Lehnardt met with her Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor last Friday and told her about the wild party. The sponsor then contacted authorities.

She told the woman that her children, who are aged between four and 16, were with their father when her oldest daughter texted her to ask if she could bring over some friends.

Lehnardt allegedly responded: 'Come on, let's party', WJBF reported.
When the teenagers arrived, she allegedly allowed them to drink alcohol and smoke marijuana in her home, before she played naked Twister with them in the living room.

While the youngsters continued playing, she allegedly went into a bathroom and had sex with an 18-year-old man, the sponsor told authorities.
When she returned, she brought out sex toys and started to use them on herself in front of the teenagers, she told her sponsor, Augusta Crime reported.

She later went to bed alone and around 3.30am, she awoke to find someone having sex with her, she told her sponsor.

'She stated at first she thought it was the 18-year-old from earlier, but then realized it was the 16-year-old who was in fact her daughter's boyfriend,' Lehnardt's sponsor told deputies.

The daughter told her mother she felt guilty because the boyfriend's 10-inch penis was so large she could not have sex with him, and he needed to have sex with her mother instead.

While the incident sounds as if the 16-year-old raped the mother, Sheriff's spokesman Captain Steve Morris said there was no evidence of a crime and no charges are pending against the boy.

No sexual crime charges have been filed against Lehnardt because 16 is the legal age of consent.

Lehnardt also allegedly told the sponsor that she had shown her daughter explicit photos, including of Lehnardt having sex with her boyfriend.
The sponsor said that the mother has also previously spoken about being a porn addict.

Following the incident, an emergency custody hearing was held and she lost custody of her five children, who are aged four, six, eight, 10 and 16, WJBF reported.

At their meeting last week, the sponsor asked Lehnardt how long she had been sober and her future plans for sobriety, and the mother told her about losing custody of the children days before.

After their meeting, the woman, who was only recently assigned to sponsor Lehnardt, contacted the Columbia County Sheriff's Office and the mother was arrested on Saturday.

She has been released from the Columbia County Detention Center after posting a $3,200 bond, according to the Columbia County News-Times.
According to online profiles, Lehnardt crafts and paints dolls. The children's father is in the military.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040323/Mother-five-played-naked-Twister-teen-daughter-friends-drunken-party-sex-18-year-old-bathroom.html
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2015 10:53 am
@nononono,
OK, I'll bite, what's your point? Did you just think it would even things out to showcase what everybody already knows? That some women indulge in outrageous behaviour, are drunks and allow and encourage inappropriate drinking and sex games in their homes, is that it?

It's true, there are some twisted women out there. This is indeed a repulsive story.

I know some of you have memories as short as your noses, but can I see a show of hands for those that remember the Boston Marathon bombing? Oh come on, some of you must. Accepted as evidence against the defendant was videos collected along the route and at one point you see the defendant actually place the pressure cooker bomb directly behind the 8 year old boy who was killed when the bomb went off.

When the police find video of a crime being committed, it is indeed their sworn responsibility to find and charge the people engaged in a gang rape. I'm sure there are extenuating circumstances, perhaps the girl accepting all those penises inside her lost a bet, and she didn't want to be seen as a welsher, so she decided she would do it as long as she was unconscious because the idea of servicing those boys was too repulsive to bear. I can think of a hundred other scenarios that are equally ridiculous, but I thought the folks with rug burns on their nuckles needed a little pick me up.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2015 11:01 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
. I'm sure there are extenuating circumstances, perhaps the girl accepting all those penises inside her lost a bet, and she didn't want to be seen as a welsher, so she decided she would do it as long as she was unconscious because the idea of servicing those boys was too repulsive to bear. I can think of a hundred other scenarios that are equally ridiculous,


It happens all the time. Women agree to do things for whatever reason, and later in the face of public or family disapproval or just plain personal regret they run away from the responsibility for their choices. We as a collective encourage women to disown their responsibility, to blame it on the guy(s) they were with.

We should knock it off
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2015 08:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
You are unbelievable. I pose a ridiculous situation that no one in their right mind would take seriously, but I underestimated how limited you are. Your desperate position on rape is something I cannot comprehend. Do you actually know of a single situation where a women consented to gang rape to settle a bet? Where the hell do you think you live, in a Mad Max movie??? Jesus jumping Christ, would you settle a bet by letting 4 men drug you into oblivion so you wouldn't struggle while they sodomize you? You know what, don't bother to answer, I'm pretty sure I know what it is.
 

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