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I saw a white man with a gun. I heard a policeman saying, "Place the weapon down on the ground, ple

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:04 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Being skeptical about people's claims about their profession, and even their rhetoric about their experience(s), is always a good idea.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:35 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Sure, it must be true because you can't provide any evidence of any treaty calling for a civilian gun ban. Drunk

First of all, even if it were actually true that I couldn't provide evidence of a civilian gun ban treaty, that would not impugn my claim that they had tried and failed to create such a treaty.

But that said, I recall providing you with a link to an African treaty that bans civilians from having many types of guns that civilians should rightly have access to.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:40 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
These oddballs tend to be quick to insult others, invariably eliciting negatives responses from regular posters

You are describing your own poor behavior.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Being skeptical about people's claims about their profession, and even their rhetoric about their experience(s), is always a good idea.


I agree...I suspect FBM, MIT, PARADOS and you are one in the same troll! Razz
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 07:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Being skeptical about people's claims about their profession, and even their rhetoric about their experience(s), is always a good idea.


Yep. And I also reserve skepticism about my own speculations about why they behave in such hyperbolic manners. Could be compensation for a lack of power in their off-lines lives, could be simply a continuation of bullying behavior that they exhibit elsewhere also, could be that more and more psych wards are allowing their inpatients internet access. Lots of possibilities. So, as a result, I try to take their words at more or less face value and suspend judgement about the rest.

The face value of goojohn's behavior with regards to this topic is that I've shown numerous statistical data from relevant experts, including various domestics organizations and the UN. It's a reasonable conclusion, in the face of that overwhelming data, that the US has a problem with police brutality, particularly when it comes to minorities. But that's the strongest claim I've made, ie, that there's a problem that just about everybody who's paying attention recognizes.

And then there's goojohn's responses: name-calling, attempts at intimidation, red herrings, stawman fallacies, etc. For example, when I say "there's a problem," he unwittingly or not hears "all cops are bad," and all of a sudden I have some sort of agenda. At the very least, it's a problem with reading comprehension (remember that people with too-high IQ's are rejected by police departments), coupled with some sort of personality disorder. Taking a step up in severity, he may genuinely have an organic condition that interferes with his ability to model reality from his sensory experiences. Dunno. Ultimately, it's not my problem. He's just another ol' yeller on teh interweebs, ultimately.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 08:18 pm
Meanwhile, back in Mayberry, it looks like they're taking the "use it or lose it" clause in the 1033 Program pretty seriously.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/24-cops-armored-vehicle-collect-fines-argumentative-75-year/

Quote:
24 Cops and Armored Military Vehicle Sent To Loot A 75 Year Old’s Retirement Fund
By John Vibes on October 27, 2014

Marathon County police are not apologizing for their decision to use an armored military vehicle on a senior citizen because he may have been “argumentative.”

For years, 75-year-old Roger Hoeppner has been at odds with his local government in Marathon County, Wisconsin, over $80,000 dollars worth of fines relating to the use of his property.

Hoeppner has strongly disputed the fines that have been imposed on him, and he has been through multiple lawsuits and appeals with the city, in a fight to use his property the way that he wants to.

Town officials claim that a business which Hoeppner operates on his property is in violation of zoning ordinances.

In 2011, the town confiscated large amounts of personal property from Hoeppner because he refused to pay the fines. Several tractors, pallets and equipment were auctioned off by the government for “pennies on the dollar” according to Hoeppner’s attorney, Ryan Lister.

Next, the town imposed a $500-a-day fine on Hoeppner for refusing to remove certain equipment from his property. Eventually, the bill ran up close to $100,000, and the town came to collect the money with an armored truck and two dozen cops.

The local police department has defended their show of force by saying that Hoeppner was “argumentative” about the fines, although they admit that he never made any threats or indications that he would be violent.

“I’ve been involved in about five standoff situations where, as soon as the MARV showed up, the person gives up, saving time, money and increasing safety. People may not always understand why, but an armored vehicle is almost a necessity now,” Sheriff’s Capt. Greg Bean told reporters.

Hoeppner was arrested without any physical resistance, and was escorted to a bank where he was forced to withdraw $80,000 and hand it over to police.




Looks like the military policy of "overwhelming force" has come to Small Town, USA, and its senior citizens.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 08:41 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

First of all, even if it were actually true that I couldn't provide evidence of a civilian gun ban treaty, that would not impugn my claim that they had tried and failed to create such a treaty.

Your failure to provide any evidence does impugn your claim when the actual treaty doesn't support you claim. At this point there is zero evidence to be found to support your claim so until you do provide such evidence your claim is nothing but bull ****.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 08:43 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:



But that said, I recall providing you with a link to an African treaty that bans civilians from having many types of guns that civilians should rightly have access to.

A 4th grader would know that the United States isn't in Africa. Leave it to you to try to argue that it is.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:00 pm
@parados,
He explains to anyone who wishes to listen why he's so screwed up! If he can confuse Africa with the US, anyone can draw their own conclusion that this guy is beyond comprehension.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:04 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Your failure to provide any evidence

Nonsense. Over the years I've given you hundreds of links to UN attempts create a civilian gun ban treaty.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:11 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
A 4th grader would know that the United States isn't in Africa. Leave it to you to try to argue that it is.

Feel free to try to point out any place where I've made such an argument. But let's not let your quest for that imaginary cite divert the thread from the fact that at least one gun ban treaty has already been created.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:12 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
UN attempts create a civilian gun ban treaty.


The UN doesn't have that authority. Where did you study about the UN?

Besides, it's impossible to control guns for many reasons.

Are you joking, or are you the joke?
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:18 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
I've shown numerous statistical data from relevant experts, including various domestics organizations and the UN. It's a reasonable conclusion, in the face of that overwhelming data, that the US has a problem with police brutality, particularly when it comes to minorities. But that's the strongest claim I've made, ie, that there's a problem that just about everybody who's paying attention recognizes.


You have shown NOTHING of any substance. Your claim of rampant police brutality is belied by the cold hard statistics that I have already provided and which you ignore.
First you said the data from the police was no good because it was voluntary. When I provided data from citizens (who by the way admitted they were mostly to blame for police use of force) you have no intelligent comment... i.e., "yawn"
You're so full of crap an enema with a fire hose wouldnt even make a dent. (and you'd enjoy it too much anyway)
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:22 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Looks like the military policy of "overwhelming force" has come to Small Town, USA


Oh pluuleeeze...its an over grown Hummvee.

What a ******* reactionary you are chicken little.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 09:41 pm
@giujohn,
Take it up with the UN, Professor Hawking.

And if you don't see a problem with 2 dozen cops in full military regalia in an armored vehicle to discuss money issues with a 75-year-old, whom they admit having nevered showed any indication of violent behavior, they you're clearly a part of the problem. Seig heil, Adolf.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:33 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

...There is no doubt we do know an abnormally eccentric poster when we see one, beyond a shadow of a doubt; the peculiar poster's unprofessional behavior stand out. These oddballs tend to be quick to insult others, invariably eliciting negatives responses from regular posters with most people scrambling to place them on ignore.


And then there's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:56 pm
@FBM,
If you think their are some nut cases on a2k just say so. I'm not interested in reading 22 paragraphs that say the same thing.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 10:59 pm
@RABEL222,
Well, I didn't direct that towards you, did I? I directed it towards a person who seemed like they might be interested.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:29 pm
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10494753_923165677699754_4615711303984719995_n.jpg?oh=fc78c16fb90c40ea6f6f0c540157c653&oe=54E47F12&__gda__=1420614264_048fc9390e816230dc8ec5bcbbbc9fba
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:33 pm
@RABEL222,
The short version:

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/4fc_zps44cbef8f.jpg
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