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I saw a white man with a gun. I heard a policeman saying, "Place the weapon down on the ground, ple

 
 
giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 03:52 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Groups LIKE FEAR are arrested without them using their automatic weapons


Oh, well, in that case we dont really need the police at all...we can just send the fire department. Drunk
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 07:27 pm
Human Rights Watch sees a problem. A pretty big one: http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/police/uspo14.htm

Quote:
Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

Police abuse remains one of the most serious and divisive human rights violations in the United States. The excessive use of force by police officers, including unjustified shootings, severe beatings, fatal chokings, and rough treatment, persists because overwhelming barriers to accountability make it possible for officers who commit human rights violations to escape due punishment and often to repeat their offenses.1 Police or public officials greet each new report of brutality with denials or explain that the act was an aberration, while the administrative and criminal systems that should deter these abuses by holding officers accountable instead virtually guarantee them impunity.

This report examines common obstacles to accountability for police abuse in fourteen large cities representing most regions of the nation. The cities examined are: Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New Orleans, New York, Philadelphia, Portland, Providence, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C. Research for this report was conducted over two and a half years, from late 1995 through early 1998.

The brutality cases examined, which are set out in detail in chapters on each city, are similar to cases that continue to emerge in headlines and in survivors' complaints. It is important to note, however, that because it is difficult to obtain case information except where there is public scandal and/or prosecution, this reportrelies heavily on cases that have reached public attention; disciplinary action and criminal prosecution are even less common than the cases set out below would suggest.

Our investigation found that police brutality is persistent in all of these cities; that systems to deal with abuse have had similar failings in all the cities; and that, in each city examined, complainants face enormous barriers in seeking administrative punishment or criminal prosecution of officers who have committed human rights violations. Despite claims to the contrary from city officials where abuses have become scandals in the media, efforts to make meaningful reforms have fallen short.

The barriers to accountability are remarkably similar from city to city. Shortcomings in recruitment, training, and management are common to all. So is the fact that officers who repeatedly commit human rights violations tend to be a small minority who taint entire police departments but are protected, routinely, by the silence of their fellow officers and by flawed systems of reporting, oversight, and accountability. Another pervasive shortcoming is the scarcity of meaningful information about trends in abuse; data are also lacking regarding the police departments' response to those incidents and their plans or actions to prevent brutality. Where data do exist, there is no evidence that police administrators or, where relevant, prosecutors, utilize available information in a way to deter abuse.2 Another commonality in recent years is a recognition, in most cities, about what needs to be done to fix troubled departments. However, this encouraging development is coupled with an official unwillingness to deal seriously with officers who commit abuses until high-profile cases expose long-standing negligence or tolerance of brutality.

One recent, positive development has been the federal "pattern or practice" civil investigations, and subsequent agreements, initiated by the U.S. Justice Department.3 In Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Steubenville, Ohio, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division has examined shortcomings in accountability for misconduct in those cities' police departments; the cities agreed to implement reforms to end violative practices rather than risk the Justice Department taking a case to court for injunctive action. The reforms proposed by the Justice Department were similar to those long advocated by community activists and civil rights groups, and included better use-of-force training and policies, stronger reporting mechanisms, creation of early warning systems to identify current, and potential, officers at risk of engaging in abuse, and improved disciplinary procedures. The Justice Department does not usually make its investigative choices public, but several other police departments, including those in Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York, and Philadelphia, are reportedly under investigation by the Civil Rights Division.

Police abuse experts, and some police officials, refer to "problem" officers, by which they mean officers who either have significant records of abuse or significant records of complaints from the public, and who thus should receive special monitoring, training and counseling to counter the heightened risk that they will be involved in some future incident of misconduct or brutality. In this report, we will use this terminology where police officials and experts use it, to denote officers who, on account of their record of either sustained or unsustained complaints, appear to present a higher than normal risk of committing human rights violations.

Allegations of police abuse are rife in cities throughout the country and take many forms. This report uses specific incidents as illustrations of the obstacles to deterring, investigating and acting upon perceived abuses. Human Rights Watch is presenting these cases not to accuse any particular officer of an abuse, but rather to describe the barriers that exist to addressing such allegations meaningfully. Any alleged abuse has a corrosive effect on public trust of the police force, and it is imperative that the system be reformed to prevent human rights violations such as those described below.

A seriously flawed background check of a new recruit who had a history of abusive behavior while working for another police department, apparent misuse of pepper spray, and poor investigation procedures were evident in the Aaron Williams case. (See San Francisco chapter for additional details.) Williams died while in the custody of San Francisco police officers after officers subdued him and sprayed him with pepper spray in the Western Edition neighborhood in June 1995. Williams, a burglary suspect, was bound with wrist and ankle cuffs,and according to witnesses was hit and kicked after he was restrained.4 Departmental rules apparently were broken when the officers used pepper spray repeatedly on Williams, who appeared to be high on drugs, and officers did not monitor his breathing as required.5 One of the officers involved in the incident, Marc Andaya, had reportedly been the subject of as many as thirty-five complaints while working with the Oakland police force before being hired by the San Francisco Police Department.6 In Oakland, his supervisor reportedly had urged desk duty for Andaya because of his "cowboy" behavior.7 It is not clear why the San Francisco Police Department hired Andaya in light of his background, but the press reported that Andaya may have given only a partial account of his complaint history and no thorough check was conducted.8 Andaya was accused of neglect of duty and using excessive force, but the city's Police Commission initially deadlocked on the charges (two for, two against, with one police commissioner absent), which was in effect an exoneration. In large part due to community outrage over the Williams case, Andaya was eventually fired for lying about his disciplinary background in his application.9

A record of brutality complaints, inadequate supervision, and the code of silence were illustrated in the Anthony Baez case in New York City. (See New York City chapter for additional details.) Baez, age twenty-nine, was choked to death during an encounter with police Officer Francis X. Livoti on December 22, 1994. Livoti had been the subject of at least eleven brutality complaints over an eleven-year period, including one that was substantiated by the city's civilian review board involving the choking of a sixteen-year-old who was allegedly riding a go-cart recklessly.10 In the Baez case, Livoti was acquitted of criminally negligent homicide in a judge-only trial ending in October 1996. But in finding the prosecution's case unproven, the judge nevertheless criticized conflicting and inconsistent officer testimony, citing a "nest of perjury" within the department.11 Livoti was then prosecuted administratively to ascertain, in part, whether he had broken departmental rules that prohibit applying a chokehold.12 Partially in response to substantial publicity and community outrage over Livoti's behavior, he was fired in February 1997 for breaking departmental rules.

The case of Frank Schmidt in Philadelphia illustrated flawed investigative procedures and lax discipline. (See Philadelphia chapter for additional details.) Officer Christopher Rudy was on duty but reportedly visiting friends and drinking alcohol at a warehouse in November 1993.13 A dispute arose between the warehouse owner and Frank Schmidt, with Schmidt accused of stealing items from the warehouse. Schmidt reportedly told investigators that the warehouse gates were locked behind him, a gun was put to his head, and he was beaten as Officer Rudy watched and poured beer over Schmidt's head. Throughout the ordeal, the warehouse owner reportedly threatened to cut off Schmidt's hands with a knife and to have warehouse workers rape him. Schmidt reported the incident to the police, but Rudy was not questioned for seven months and then denied everything. Rudy reportedly received a twelve-day suspension for failing to take police action and for conduct unbecoming a police officer; he was returned to active duty .14

Lax oversight and the failure to act quickly to dismiss an abusive officer while he was still on probation were evident in Minneapolis. (See Minneapolis chapter for additional details.) Officer Michael Ray Parent was convicted in state court of kidnaping and raping a woman in his squad car and was sentenced to four years in prison in April 1995. In the early morning hours of August 5, 1994, Officer Parent stopped and questioned the woman. She acknowledged she had been drinking, and he put her in the back seat of his squad car and told her she was under arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol. He then forced her to have oral sex with him. After the incident was reported, investigators found several prior complaints about Parent involving inappropriate sexual conduct while on duty, even though he had been on the force for only a year and a half before the August 1994 incident; he had been accused of a sexual incident during his probationary period on the force, when dismissals are much easier.15

Despite a civil jury trial leading to one of Indianapolis's largest awards following a judgment against an officer who fatally shot a burglary suspect, the officer remains on the force. (See Indianapolis chapter for additional details.) Officer Wayne Sharp, who is white, shot and killed Edmund Powell, who was black, in June 1991.16 Sharp, a veteran officer, claimed the shooting was accidental and that Powell had swung a nail-studded board at him, yet according to at least one witness, Powell was on the ground and had apparently surrendered when he was shot.17 According to witnesses, Powell allegedly stole something from a department store, and Sharp chased him into an alley with his gun drawn. The Marion County prosecutor brought the case before a grand jury, and it declined to indict Sharp on any criminal charges. Community activists claimed that the shooting was racially motivated; Sharp had killed a black burglary suspect ten years earlier and a grand jury had declined to indict him. At that time, Sharp reportedly was removed from street duty because of his "flirtation" with the National Socialist White People's Party, a neo-Nazi group.18 Powell's grandmother, Gertrude Jackson, alleging Sharp intentionally shot Powell, filed a civil lawsuit in 1992; the jury found in favor of Jackson and awarded $465,000 to Powell's family.19 The city had not paid Jackson as of September 1997, and the status of any appeal was unclear.20 Despite his history, Sharp was still on duty as of mid-1997 and according to the police chief there has received "high accolades and several awards for superior work."21

A ranking New Orleans officer who himself was responsible for enforcing internal rules had a long history of abuse complaints, some sustained, but was only dismissed after he was convicted of a crime. (See New Orleans chapter for additional details.) Lieutenant Christopher Maurice was the subject of more than a dozen discourtesy and brutality complaints before being charged and convicted on two counts of simple battery in November 1995 (and fired two weeks later). The charges stemmed from a June 1994 incident in which Lt. Maurice allegedly slammed the head of radio personality Richard Blake (knownas Robert Sandifer) against the police car's hood.22 Just after this encounter, Maurice was found in violation of department rules for getting into an argument and nearly a fistfight with a fellow officer during ethics training in early 1994. Also in June 1994, Maurice was served a warrant for another battery charge in St. Tammany Parish. Prior to the 1994 incidents, he had been suspended once (allegedly for brandishing his gun at a neighbor) and reprimanded twice since 1985, according to his civil service records. In a 1991 civil suit, the city paid a $25,000 settlement to a man who claimed that Maurice had hit him in the head with his police radio. Despite this record, Maurice was the commander in charge of enforcing the internal rules of the department. The city's citizen review agency (an external monitoring office) reportedly investigated several of the complaints against Maurice but did not uphold any of them as valid.

Human Rights Watch recognizes that police officers, like other people, will make mistakes when they are under pressure to make split-second decisions regarding the use of force. Even the best recruiting, training, and command oversight will not result in flawless behavior on the part of all officers. Furthermore, we recognize that policing in the United States is a dangerous job. During 1996, 116 officers died while on duty nationwide (from all causes - shootings, assaults, accidents, and natural causes).23 Yet, precisely because police officers can make mistakes, or allow personal bias or emotion to enter into policing - and because they are allowed, as a last resort, to use potentially lethal force to subdue individuals they apprehend - police must be subjected to intense scrutiny.24

The abuses described in this report are preventable. Officers with long records of abuse, policies that are overly vague, training that is substandard, and screening that is inadequate all create opportunities for abuse. Perhaps most important, and consistently lacking, is a system of oversight in which supervisors hold their charges accountable for mistreatment and are themselves reviewed and evaluated, in part, by how they deal with subordinate officers who commit human rights violations. Those who claim that each high-profile case of abuse by a "rogue" officer is an aberration are missing the point: problem officers frequently persist because the accountability systems are so seriously flawed.

Police, state, and federal authorities are responsible for holding police officers accountable for abusive or arbitrary acts.25 Police officials must ensure that police officers are punished when they violate administrative rules, while state and federal prosecutors must prosecute criminal acts committed by officers, and where appropriate, complicity by their superior officers.26 Each of these entities apply different standards when reviewing officer responsibility for an alleged abuse.27 All of these authorities have an obligation to ensure that the conduct of police officersmeets international standards that prohibit human rights violations and that, in general, the U.S. complies with the obligations imposed by those treaties to which it is a party. While only the federal government is responsible for reporting internationally on U.S. compliance with the relevant treaties, local and state officials share responsibility for ensuring compliance within their jurisdictions.28


References and other details available at the link provided above..
parados
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 10:35 pm
@giujohn,
We used Federal officers. But then you would rather make silly statements than look at the truth, I guess.
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2014 05:57 pm
@parados,

YOU SAID: We used Federal officers.

Having been a Military, Municipal, and Federal Officer, I would prefer that the local police take care of local issues. And I am not alone in this thinking. Both police and civilians would agree with me. The feds should stick to enforcing FEDERAL law not local, and should be used ONLY when state lines are crossed and ONLY when local law enforcement asks for assistance. I believe in states rights, thank you.


giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2014 06:29 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Human Rights Watch sees a problem.



And many find a problem with HRW including it's original founder and former chairman, Robert L. Bernstein.


By Michael Rubin

Regarding Human Rights Watch’s tendency to substitute polemic for research, and to force analysis through a political lens. At issue were questions about the circumstances surrounding the deaths in Rabaa Square in August 2013, when military forces broke up a sit-in of supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood and Mohamad Morsi, a Brotherhood acolyte and Egypt’s first democratically-elected president before his ouster the month before. Make no mistake: hundreds of protestors died and, according to the Egyptian government, dozens of police as well.

Enter Human Rights Watch, and its publicity-seeking executive director, Ken Roth. Human Rights Watch launched an investigation into the massacre, as it should have, although from Roth’s tweets and public statements, it seems that he had already drawn his conclusions before the investigation had even begun. Nevertheless, despite his outrage, Roth’s initial tweets were somewhat restrained. For example, shortly after the massacre, he tweeted, “‘Democracy’ is not shooting people in the name of #Egypt majority. It requires operating within the limits of rights.”

After the Egyptian government denied Roth entry into Egypt on the first anniversary of the killings, he magically raised the casualties that Human Rights Watch attributed to the Egyptian government, declaring on Facebook, “I went to Cairo to present Egypt’s leaders with evidence that police slaughtered 1,000 people at Rabaa Square. They wouldn’t even let me out of the airport.” If Human Rights Watch is a serious organization, it should confirm those killed with visits to the morgue, interviews with the families, and confirmation with state records and visits to graves. It shouldn’t, with a magic wand and in a fit of pique, imply that the numbers are chosen arbitrarily depending on the mood of the analyst.

Initially, Human Rights Watch documented “at least 377 [deaths], significantly higher than the latest Rab’a death toll of 288 announced by the Health Ministry.” With time, that number grew. In its final report, Human Rights Watch put the death toll they could confirm at 817. That’s bad enough (and the Egyptian government, for what it’s worth, places the death toll in the 600-person range). But Roth’s Facebook post on the Human Rights Watch page seems to simply inflate the numbers by 25 percent. Raising the death toll in a fit of anger out of the disrespect a researcher feels at the hands of a foreign government does nothing but diminish the legitimacy of Human Rights Watch’s research.

Roth is fond of analogies as well but, again, with these he plays fast and loose. On August 13, 2014, he tweets, “Tiananmen in 1989, Andijan in 2005, and now #Egypt’s Rab’a in 2013–large-scale massacres that demand justice.” That’s true. Again, however, Roth’s bombast seemed to get the better of him, perhaps because his relatively dispassionate tweet didn’t get him the media coverage he hoped. Hence, just 17 days later, he tweeted, “17 NGOs press UN rights council to address #Egypt: bigger protester massacre than Tiananmen, mass arrests & torture.” So was Rabaa a bigger massacre than Tiananmen? Well, for this, it pays simply to look at old reports by Human Rights Watch from the days when it prioritized human-rights research and reporting above polemic. As the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square approached this past spring, Human Rights Watch released this, carefully sidestepping the question of deaths on that horrible day because Human Rights Watch doesn’t know how many hundreds died. On the 20th anniversary, Human Rights Watch mentioned “untold numbers” killed. In 2010, however, Human Rights Watch suggested 2,000 had been killed in and around Tiananmen. Perhaps my math is wrong, but I thought 2,000 was larger than 1,000 (or 817 or 377).

The point of this is not to diminish the horror of what transpired in Rabaa Square, nor the culpability of Egyptian forces who may have used unnecessary force (or the Muslim Brotherhood activists who apparently fired from within crowds in order to kill security forces and bring more casualties to some of the innocents in the square when government forces returned fire). Rather, it’s to point out that while human-rights advocacy is extremely important and, along with independent journalism, plays an important role in civil society, so flagrantly massaging numbers to support the politics or press release of the day is the hallmark of an organization gone bad, and simply enables governments across the globe to dismiss all Human Rights Watch work as unprofessional and politically biased.

Given the inconsistencies and exaggerations to which Human Rights Watch Executive Director Ken Roth appears prone, the Egyptian government would be within its rights to dismiss the Human Rights Watch report as inherently flawed. Let us hope that other organizations do a better job of shining light on an incident which so many wish would remain in the dark, because until that job is done credibly and professionally, many will get away with murder. And let us also hope that if Human Rights Watch is to salvage its reputation, it will start to pay heed to the consistency of numbers espoused by its staff.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2014 09:58 pm
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/retired-cop-speaks/

Quote:
Retired Cop Speaks on Body Cams and Lack of Protection for Cops Who Cross Blue Line

Barely three months after Ferguson protests escalated in light of Michael Brown’s death, a Baltimore cop was charged with assault and perjury for beating a man for no apparent reason, then lying about it, in an incident caught on CitiWatch crime cameras, once again shedding light on the role technology plays in police misconduct. Once again, the question is raised: Should cops wear body cameras?
For Matthew Fogg the answer is a solid yes. But, the retired chief deputy of the US Marshal Services says this is only the first step in the right direction since “a lot of things [are] wrong in the inside.”
Fogg, 62, told PINAC exclusively on Thursday that in order for police brutality to wind down there needs to be a safety net for officers who speak up when seeing wrongdoing. Instead, he said, cops are looked down upon, are seen as not being team players and even have their lives threatened if they speak up.
[For] officers who want to speak out, give them protection,” Fogg told PINAC. “It is very difficult to deal with law enforcement. They will crush you,” he said adding that “you can easily lose your life and have devastating consequences in your career.”
Fogg, who served as a US Marshal from 1976 to 2008, spoke openly about recording the police, the use of body cameras on police officers and his own struggles with the service at the Cato Institute in Washington D.C. last week . The seminar was streamed on C-Span and included police brutality experts Steve Silverman and Jonathan Blanks.
Video of the seminar is not embeddable but can be viewed here. At almost 90 minutes, it’s worth the watch.
Officers don’t get convicted,” said Fogg adding that this occurs because of the “huge network” police officers have in place to protect one another no matter what violation cops commit. “Body cameras are good,” he continued. “But the network behind you says ‘this is how we do it here.” ‘
According to a Cato Institute quarterly report titled “The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project” there were 4,861 reports of police misconduct that involved 6,613 police officers and 6,826 alleged victims from January 2010 through December 2010.
In the seminar, Fogg highlights how he witnessed many “questionable” things while being a U.S. Marshall including the harassment of fellow officers who would be targeted if they spoke out against other cops violating people’s rights.
“[The] network includes, police, judges, prosecutors and the grand jury,” said Fogg. “These close relationships have a major influence on those cases and whether they are going to be indicted or not.”
So what does Fogg propose will fix the broken system? More oversight and gathering more statistical data to close up the racial disparity that leads– in most cases– to police misconduct.
“Oversight on top of oversight,” Fogg told PINAC. “There are a lot of political pundits out there who say we do not need all that capturing data but yes we do.”
This [system] is a human rights violation machine,” added Fogg who sat on the board of Amnesty International for over six years. “The problem is accountability… No one cares if they are going after white people doing the same thing [as Hispanics and Blacks]. They go after the weakest link. The marginalized. The de-valued.”
Steve Silverman, founder and executive director of the watchdog organization monitoring police misconduct Flex Your Rights agrees with Fogg stating that making cops wear cameras is a step forward but it is not a solution to the entire issue at hand.
“You can’t count on cameras to cure the problem,” said Silverman. “What video does is bring us closer to the truth and the truth can bring us closer to justice and accountability.” The scholar also added how these police officers “will protect whomever just to keep the peace” including child molesters in the force.
Jonathan Blanks– a Cato Institute researcher and blogger— thinks police officers acting out proof there is a bigger underlying issue of race an opinion that Fogg too concurs with.
“There are cultural problems in the force,” said Blanks. “The more we know, the better we can deal with police bad apples. Technology is a growing part of maintaining that accountability… from both police and citizens.”
“[Body cameras] can exonerate an innocent person but also helps the police,” he said adding that “we would have had a better idea of what happened and what led to Michael Brown’s death” had that cop been wired with a camera.
Another topic discussed was the part that citizen’s play in recording police brutality and the most effective way to do so. As Silverman detailed his five guidelines to recording police activity in public, he also highlighted the privacy concerns body cameras bring for cops.
“[Police officers]are learning to have an expectation when in public that you don’t have privacy,” he said.
Fogg chimed in stating that “once the police come to the scene there is no more privacy anyway.”
“America needs to see what you do,” Fogg said. “We should not have a problem with that. It is your job.”


Bolding is mine.

Link to C-span discussion mentioned in text: http://www.c-span.org/video/?322284-1/discussion-capturing-police-activity-camera
(OCTOBER 23, 2014
Police Body Cameras and Recording Misconduct)
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2014 10:21 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Matthew Fogg, retired chief deputy of the US Marshal Services


Hey FAT BALD MAN...why dont you tell Fogg you want to take the USMS SWAT team away? He's ok to quote from but isnt he part of "the problem" of a "militarized police state"????????
What a ******* hypocrite you are!!!!!!
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2014 11:50 pm
Interesting and related, given some of the denialist behavior by a couple of ol' yellers in this thread:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141106132313.htm

Quote:
Denying problems when we don't like the political solutions: Why conservatives, liberals disagree so vehemently

Date:
November 6, 2014
Source:
Duke University
Summary:
There may be a scientific answer for why conservatives and liberals disagree so vehemently over the existence of issues like climate change and specific types of crime. A new study finds that people will evaluate scientific evidence based on whether they view its policy implications as politically desirable. If they don't, then they tend to deny the problem even exists.

...

"Logically, the proposed solution to a problem, such as an increase in government regulation or an extension of the free market, should not influence one's belief in the problem. However, we find it does," said co-author Troy Campbell, a Ph.D. candidate at Duke's Fuqua School of Business. "The cure can be more immediately threatening than the problem."
The study, "Solution Aversion: On the Relation Between Ideology and Motivated Disbelief," appears in the November issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
The researchers conducted three experiments (with samples ranging from 120 to 188 participants) on three different issues -- climate change, air pollution that harms lungs, and crime.
"The goal was to test, in a scientifically controlled manner, the question: Does the desirability of a solution affect beliefs in the existence of the associated problem? In other words, does what we call 'solution aversion' exist?" Campbell said.
"We found the answer is yes. And we found it occurs in response to some of the most common solutions for popularly discussed problems."
For climate change, the researchers conducted an experiment to examine why more Republicans than Democrats seem to deny its existence, despite strong scientific evidence that supports it.
One explanation, they found, may have more to do with conservatives' general opposition to the most popular solution -- increasing government regulation -- than with any difference in fear of the climate change problem itself, as some have proposed.
Participants in the experiment, including both self-identified Republicans and Democrats, read a statement asserting that global temperatures will rise 3.2 degrees in the 21st century. They were then asked to evaluate a proposed policy solution to address the warming.
When the policy solution emphasized a tax on carbon emissions or some other form of government regulation, which is generally opposed by Republican ideology, only 22 percent of Republicans said they believed the temperatures would rise at least as much as indicated by the scientific statement they read.
But when the proposed policy solution emphasized the free market, such as with innovative green technology, 55 percent of Republicans agreed with the scientific statement.
For Democrats, the same experiment recorded no difference in their belief, regardless of the proposed solution to climate change.
"Recognizing this effect is helpful because it allows researchers to predict not just what problems people will deny, but who will likely deny each problem," said co-author Aaron Kay, an associate professor at Fuqua. "The more threatening a solution is to a person, the more likely that person is to deny the problem."
The researchers found liberal-leaning individuals exhibited a similar aversion to solutions they viewed as politically undesirable in an experiment involving violent home break-ins. When the proposed solution called for looser versus tighter gun-control laws, those with more liberal gun-control ideologies were more likely to downplay the frequency of violent home break-ins.
"We should not just view some people or group as anti-science, anti-fact or hyper-scared of any problems," Kay said. "Instead, we should understand that certain problems have particular solutions that threaten some people and groups more than others. When we realize this, we understand those who deny the problem more and we improve our ability to better communicate with them."
Campbell added that solution aversion can help explain why political divides become so divisive and intractable.
"We argue that the political divide over many issues is just that, it's political," Campbell said. "These divides are not explained by just one party being more anti-science, but the fact that in general people deny facts that threaten their ideologies, left, right or center."
The researchers noted there are additional factors that can influence how people see the policy implications of science. Additional research using larger samples and more specific methods would provide an even clearer picture, they said.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 08:08 am
@giujohn,
It seems you want to just piss and moan and have your police militarized no matter what.

A plot to assassinate the President and overthrow the US government is a violation of Federal law.
Violations of federal gun laws is federal offense.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 08:36 am
Frickin' land of the free, hoo-ray.

giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 03:37 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Violations of federal gun laws is federal offense.

So I guess there are no STATE firearms laws? And these groups typically will violently oppose LOCAL GOVERNMENT because they present a more convenient target...such as the PA. troopers that were gunned down by Eric Frein.
When is the last time you heard of the FBI building being shot up?
Are you really this dense?
I want the local constabulary to be prepared to handle ANYTHING. Your horse and buggy thinking would have the fire dept responding with a horse drawn, manual pumper along with a bucket brigade!
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 03:46 pm
@FBM,
Now although you cant see the WHITE guy slapped we can assume the cop was wrong on two fronts... the difference is that the WHITE guy is not STUPID and did not resist... anything they find will be inadmissable AND he's alive to SUE. What would the BLACK guy do??? And you would think the BLACK guy would be smarter cause he would have more experience with this (according to the sky is falling media and "reverands")
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:37 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Hey FAT BALD MAN...


We really don't know what the "FB" stands for. You're making an assumption that may not be true. Razz For all we know, it could stand for "FANTASTICALLY BRAINY."
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 07:03 pm
@wmwcjr,
LOL!


Good one...but I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What we really dont know is what the M stands for ...but I'm being kind there.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 07:17 pm
@giujohn,
"MACHO"?

Ask him what those three letters stand for when he comes back. Smile
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 07:58 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
"MACHO"?

...not that interested frankly; He's a boob! But it could be, furious black man.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 08:49 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

"MACHO"?

Ask him what those three letters stand for when he comes back. Smile


I thought it was on my profile. Former Buddhist Monk.

By the way, I've got goojohn and all the other yellers (posting in all caps, huge bold font, etc) on Ignore. I don't put up with being yelled at in person; don't see any reason to put up with it online. Very Happy
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 08:59 pm
@wmwcjr,
Dont believe him for a minute... he looks at EVERYTHING I post...he's obsessed.

Monk my ass! He couldnt keep his mouth shut for a nano second or to save his miserable hide!!!! LOL!
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 09:42 pm
Kind of a problem here: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-small-nj-town-sue-police-chief-call-megalomaniacal-despot/

Quote:
Police Chief in NJ Allegedly So Corrupt, Officers in the Dept are Suing Him for Being a “Despot”

Roseland, New Jersey – A group of police in Roseland, New Jersey recently filed a lawsuit against local Police Chief Richard McDonough.

In the lawsuit, the officers allege that the police chief is a “megalomaniacal despot” who protected corrupt local government officials and fabricated false misconduct reports against officers who refused to participate in the corruption that exists in the department. The lawsuit also alleged that McDonough “used the department as his own personal playground.”

The lawsuit also suggested that the chief was guilty of “harassment and hostile employment actions against those who disagree or question the propriety of his own mismanagement and corrupt and unlawful practices, or those whom he simply does not like – irrespective of their performance as law enforcement professionals.”

The Alternative Press has made a summary of the most serious allegations in the complaint:

McDonough maintained a sort of “hit list” of officers he disapproved of and would demean these officers and ignore their complaints.
Both McDonough and Captain Kevin Kitchin used the Internal Affairs department (of which Kitchin is the head) to create a phony paper trail of documents discrediting the aforementioned officers.
That McDonough used police department assets, including personnel, equipment and vehicles, to conduct personal business.
That crime statistics have been manipulated by McDonough to present a misleading picture of crime in the borough.
That McDonough would protect friends and associates from facing criminal charges for any alleged misdeeds.
The lawsuit involves six police officers, which is a large portion of the police department in the town of only 6,000 people. There are only 25 people in total employed with the Roseland Police Department.
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Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-small-nj-town-sue-police-chief-call-megalomaniacal-despot/#eU3BxpXamq0pSHSm.99
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 07:18 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Actually, it was confined to US unless you are now going to argue that Africa is part of the US.

Even if the conversation is constrained to the US, since the African treaty comes from the same groups of ne'er-do-wells who are pushing the global treaty, it is useful as evidence as to what they would like to impose on us (and what they would have already imposed on us if not for the NRA's protection).
 

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