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I saw a white man with a gun. I heard a policeman saying, "Place the weapon down on the ground, ple

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 07:48 am
Why is Omar Gonzalez alive and Mike Brown dead?
FBM
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 08:07 am
@revelette2,
Damn.good.question.
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FBM
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 08:10 am
Holy facking jeebus tapdancing christ. Confused

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 01:09 pm
@revelette2,
The 2 are not even related. This is apples and oranges.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 02:44 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
If you and/or One Fried Mind were able or willing to bring to the table 1/10th the statistics and data that I have, I would listen. However, you've got nothing but empty rhetoric and ad hom attacks. I can't find much reason to pay attention to what either of you say, seeing as how it's so subjective and insubstantial. And, I might add, increasingly racist.


Only in a patently obvious, biased, single agenda mind such as yours. And stop playing the race card. You have no proof of racism other then whats is your one track mind.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 02:46 pm
@giujohn,
You got to admit, "One Fried Mind" was good - it's a shame that it's nothing further than a satirizing word play.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 02:52 pm
@FBM,
I agree, at least generally - I was there in NYC about ten years ago for a work related reason that I also stretched into a vacation, and people were almost surprisingly helpful.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 03:07 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
Why is Omar Gonzalez alive and Mike Brown dead?


Because of political correctness.
He should have been shot. But this is a liberal administration. And if you think that the ROE dont subtley change with each administration, you dont know anything.
Now lets apply this type of restaint to the streets of America. Yes, you are now involved in the hue and cry of "police brutality" over a small percentage of police/public inteaction where force is used.
But Im sure you and your ilk will be the first ones to scream bloody murder if the police, while using restaint under PC, fail to stop the killing or serious injury of your loved ones, and lawyering up at light speed.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:30 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I agree, at least generally - I was there in NYC about ten years ago for a work related reason that I also stretched into a vacation, and people were almost surprisingly helpful.


Well, it was such a surprise for me back then because I grew up in the Deep South, where the stereotype of a New Yorker was/is pretty distorted. Now, of course, I realize just how distorted it was/is.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:33 pm
@giujohn,
You're the one who outed himself. Now, back to the point: do you have any more statistics or other credible data or was that one bit of irrelevant data all you could muster?

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/o-DRUG-DEALING-570_zpsb43fd9c2.jpg
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:40 pm
@FBM,
I have posted more than enough. But it matters not, because you have a mental problem...a fixation which you really should seek professional help for least we read about you going "postal" and then you will be one of your "satistics".
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 07:28 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I have posted more than enough.


Wow. We do agree on something, after all! Wink


Quote:
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.


Yeah, considering the buttloads of independent evidence that I've accumulated vs the one irrelevant statistic that you tried to make work for you, it is clear that one of us is engaging in denialism.

Quote:
“”You can't give up just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more. And cover your ears and go BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH BLEH!
—Fry, Futurama
Denialism is the refusal to accept well-established theory, law, fact or evidence.[1]

In scientific contexts, the denialist can deny a cause (carbon dioxide does not cause global warming), an effect (the earth is not warming), the association between the two (the earth is warming, but not because of carbon dioxide), the direction of the cause-and-effect relationship (carbon dioxide concentrations are increasing because the earth is warming) or the identification of the cause-and-effect relationship (other factors than greenhouse gases are causing the earth to warm). Often denialists practice minimization (the earth is warming, but it's not harmful) and use misplaced skepticism to give an unwarranted veneer of scientific thinking.

Major scientific targets of denialism include evolution, global warming, the link between HIV and AIDS, the link between smoking and lung cancer, and the lack of a link between vaccination and autism. Often self-interest is the motivation behind denialism, hence arguments are often politicised or financially motivated. For example, tobacco companies denied the smoking-lung cancer link as it would have hurt their profits, and Andrew Wakefield had a strong conflict of interest in ensuring people didn't take established and effective vaccines. Similarly, global warming denialists tend to oppose the solutions that are needed to address the problem (see the logical fallacy of argument from adverse consequences), and are supported by energy conglomerates and others who could lose financially from reductions in fossil fuel use.

Denial of fact is one of the foundations of woo. Denialism can also fill a deep psychological need, as in the question of why one's child has autism - since in reality there is no known easy answer.[2]


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denialism
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 07:43 pm
Former sheriff who became an activist against the militarization and increasing violent-prone police: “SWAT teams have been infiltrated by bullies with badges and guns who foster a mentality that killing criminals reduces recidivism.”



If I understand correctly, he's also behind this documentary that's in progress: http://www.austinfilm.org/film-peace-officer
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 09:17 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Yeah, considering the buttloads of independent evidence that I've accumulated vs the one irrelevant statistic that you tried to make work for you, it is clear that one of us is engaging in denialism.


The only statistic need mentioned to counter you hysterical
diatribe is:
Police use of force is rare. Data gathered by the Bureau of Justices Statistics in 2008, shows less than 2% of the 40 million people who had contact with police reported the use of force or threatened use of force.

Now tell us, how many of the <2% are you claiming to be unjustified????
Do ya have a number that warrants your rabid frothing at the mouth???

Your agenda is abundantly clear. You need anger management dude.



FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 09:59 pm
@giujohn,
Heehee. Me angry? I'm not the one yelling in large, bold, colored font like an angry teenager. Wink

Later I'll re-post some of the stats I've already posted with regards to frequency of police violence and the increasing frequency of SWAT raids. Busy atm.

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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 11:06 pm
@giujohn,
Do you realize that 2% of 317 million is 6,340,000? That's 6.34 million people who are beaten or intimidated each year. The real relevant statistics would be about how many of them are justified. Much of the data I've posted suggests that far too many of them are not. And that this number is increasing:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/031513chart.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2014 12:24 am
@giujohn,
Oh, and a little backstory to flesh out the significance of your data:

Quote:
The reports show that 18% of the blacks killed during those seven years were under age 21, compared to 8.7% of whites. The victim in Ferguson was 18-year-old Michael Brown. Police have yet to identify the officer who shot him; witnesses have said the officer was white.

While the racial analysis is striking, the database it's based on has been long considered flawed and largely incomplete. The killings are self-reported by law enforcement and not all police departments participate so the database undercounts the actual number of deaths. Plus, the numbers are not audited after they are submitted to the FBI and the statistics on "justifiable" homicides have conflicted with independent measures of fatalities at the hands of police.

About 750 agencies contribute to the database, a fraction of the 17,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States.


Emphasis added. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/police-killings-data/14060357/

So. Not much of value there, after all, seems. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/nutter.gif
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2014 01:10 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Do you realize that 2% of 317 million is 6,340,000? That's 6.34 million people who are beaten or intimidated each year. The real relevant statistics would be about how many of them are justified. Much of the data I've posted suggests that far too many of them are not. And that this number is increasing:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/031513chart.jpg


You might consider not in your argument using graphs which all can clearly see are not properly made.
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2014 03:55 am
@hawkeye10,
Eh?

Edit: Strictly speaking, I'm not actually making an argument.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2014 08:37 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Do you realize that 2% of 317 million is 6,340,000?

GIUJOHN WROTE: Police use of force is rare. Data gathered by the Bureau of Justices Statistics in 2008, shows less than 2% of the 40 million people who had contact with police reported the use of force or threatened use of force.



Are ya a brain donor???
Its less than 2% of 40,000000
 

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