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Bergdahl Prisoner Swap:Obama Obeys ONLY the Laws He Wants To.

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2014 10:22 pm
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Sergeant Who Served with Bergdahl Says He is a Traitor


That works for me.
http://www.hapblog.com/2014/06/sergeant-who-served-with-bergdahl-says.html
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2014 11:59 pm
According to TV tonight, Mr. Bergdahl was a ballet dancer, prior to enlisting in the military.

Why would a ballet dancer want to be in the Army?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 12:07 am
@Miller,
Quote:
After years of odd jobs and adventures, he told friends he was ready for the focus that a career in the Army would bring. Not least, his family said, he was lured by the promises of military recruiters that he would be helping people in other parts of the world. He had come to see the military as a kind of Peace Corps with guns.

“I don’t think he understood really what he was going to do,” said Sky Bergdahl, Sergeant Bergdahl’s older sister.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/us/bowe-bergdahls-unlikely-journey-to-life-as-a-taliban-prisoner.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

He needed a job and the Peace Corps was not hiring.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 12:22 am
"Sky Bergdahl" : Is Sky his sister's name? Is "Sky" short for something else?
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 01:01 am

Snowden and Bergdahl, two of the most important Americans alive today.
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foundednotlost
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 04:10 am
@Miller,
Quote:
According to TV tonight, Mr. Bergdahl was a ballet dancer, prior to enlisting in the military.

Why would a ballet dancer want to be in the Army?


Humans are capable of having more than one interest, you know, but then again, I guess you just did not realize this.
foundednotlost
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 04:12 am
@Miller,
Quote:
"Sky Bergdahl" : Is Sky his sister's name? Is "Sky" short for something else?


Why not write the family and ask them, since they of all people might know.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 05:38 am
@foundednotlost,
I suppose ballet is too girly girl, conservatives live to trash people. I would think it would make a person miserable to have that much hate in one's soul as some these people seem to.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 05:47 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

He needed a job and the Peace Corps was not hiring.


Besides being gutless, he was probably a poor ballet dancer. Did the Taliban have him dance for them? (:
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 05:49 am
The notion that the United States does not negotiate with terrorists is a long-held principle.

The enthusiasm over the release of kidnapped Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl angered some people because Bergdahl's freedom involved the conditional release of five Taliban leaders from Guantanamo Bay.

Republican leaders in the House and Senate took turns hammering President Obama on Sunday for violating the law by not informing Congress of the deal beforehand. They claimed the move weakened America's stance in the world and put U.S. troops at risk by showing terrorist organizations they can win concessions by kidnapping Americans.

"I fear that the administration's decision to negotiate with the Taliban for Sgt. Bergdahl's release could encourage future terrorist kidnappings of Americans," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said Sunday in a statement.

But security experts like Bruce Hoffman, director of Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies, said that however common the refrain "we do not negotiate with terrorists" has become, it is "repeated as mantra more than fact."

"We have long negotiated with terrorists. Virtually every other country in the world has negotiated with terrorists despite pledges never to," Hoffman said. "We should be tough on terrorists, but not on our fellow countrymen who are their captives, which means having to make a deal with the devil when there is no alternative."

Hoffman lists a series of high-profile instances when U.S. presidents have negotiated with terrorists. There was the Iran hostage crisis that started in ​the 1970s and eventually led to the release of 52 Americans. Or the Iran-Contra affair of the mid-1980s when the U.S. government sold arms to Iran partly to win the release of U.S. hostages in Lebanon.

Charles "Cully" Stimson, a security expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank, said there are even more examples of small-scale negotiations with terrorist groups that the public, and many members of Congress, just don't know about.

Under President George W. Bush, Stimson helped coordinate the Pentagon's detainee operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and other places around the world. He said presidential administrations of both political parties routinely have been forced to deal with terrorist groups for "information, supplies, personnel — a lot of different topics."

"We have had very quiet negotiations, or discussions at least, with terrorist groups over the years on a whole host of things," Stimson said. "They just haven't usually come to light."

"This is a legitimate prisoner swap," said Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel and professor of military history at Ohio State University.

He pointed out that the Taliban was ruling Afghanistan when U.S. forces went in to topple the government after Sept. 11, 2001. "I would have much more heartburn if these were al-Qaeda leaders" that were released, Mansoor said.

Michael O'Hanlon, an analyst at the Brookings Institution, said it has been U.S. policy to seek this type of deal for a couple years.

"I always saw the downside but don't recall the pitched debate about is until now," he said in an e-mail. "In a broader sense, even though the war is undeclared, this is a prisoner swap among belligerents more than a release of a hostage held by terrorists."

There will be plenty of discussions about the legality and the wisdom of Obama's decision in the coming weeks.

Stimson said there are valid questions to ask, such as the conditions the Taliban leaders will face in Qatar, the country that agreed to take and monitor them to ensure they don't engage in actions that threaten the United States. With the war in Afghanistan winding down, the U.S. may have to release all prisoners being held in Guantanamo Bay, which would have eliminated any chance of trading for Bergdahl's release.

Facing a deadline like that, Stimson said, any president — Republican or Democrat — could have made the same decision.

"Anyone who says otherwise ... hasn't been involved in these kinds of negotiations," he said.

source
woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:02 am
@revelette2,
Why this soldier, Bowe Bergdhal? When I read statements from his fellow soldiers that he willingly left his post and caused the death of others who were searching for him, I tend to believe the conclusion that he may be a deserter at best.

So why did we trade 5 prisoners for this one deserter? What makes Bergdhal so important?

Just wondering.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:07 am
Recall our national hero, Senator John McCain. He was a certified war hero, not a slimy, gutless, yellow prick like Bergdahl, who is a total disgrace to the USA and his family ( if they have the common sense to realize it).

John McCain was held prisoner at least 5 years by the Viet-Cong. His suffering was far worse than that supposedly endured by the AWOL, former ballet dancer, who is a total disgrace to the USA, the army and his parents.

He needs to be court-marshaled.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:49 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
Recall our national hero, Senator John McCain. He was a certified war hero, not a slimy, gutless, yellow prick like Bergdahl, who is a total disgrace to the USA and his family ( if they have the common sense to realize it).

John McCain was held prisoner at least 5 years by the Viet-Cong. His suffering was far worse than that supposedly endured by the AWOL, former ballet dancer, who is a total disgrace to the USA, the army and his parents.

He needs to be court-marshaled.
If he were court-martialed and convicted of desertion
in the face of the enemy, obama wud probably give him a pardon
and maybe a medal.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:58 am
@woiyo,
All we have is speculation on whether he left his posts, the charge has not been officially made by the military. If there turns out to some truth in it, then the military will charge him and he will have a chance to defend himself against these accusations. This one prisoner was the only one left, he has been there for five years, according to those who would know, his health has been getting bad. We don't know what he has suffered but he has been in a Taliban prison, I somehow don't think it has been good, but we don't know and it does not matter, he is a US soldier in a foreign prison, he deserves to come home, whether he is guilty of desertion is a separate matter to be determined by a US military court, not a bunch of internet conservatives deciding his guilt. based on internet website information with him having no chance to defend himself stuck in a Taliban prison. Moreover, those Taliban leaders (not AQ) will be held in Qatar for a year.

Something everyone seems to overlook is soon the war in Afghanistan will be finally be over, prisoners after wars are released after wars are they not? So presumeably, those five plus all the rest of Afghanis Talibans will soon be let out in any case unless they are AQ which might be a different matter.

parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:00 am
@georgeob1,
I am only responding to your fallacies. The ACA has nothing to do with the release of Bergdahl. You care so little you will throw anything out to try to poison the well. So, let me repeat. Go **** yourself you heartless bastard.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
It will be interesting to see how much you whine and complain if Obama kills any of those 5 in the next year or two with a drone strike if and when they leave Qatar.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:48 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I am only responding to your fallacies. The ACA has nothing to do with the release of Bergdahl. You care so little you will throw anything out to try to poison the well. So, let me repeat. Go **** yourself you heartless bastard.


My, my. The formerly complacent and confident obsequious claque for our idiot-in-chief appears to have lost his composure. Could it be that his silly illusions are unravelling?
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 08:28 am
@georgeob1,
Could it be you have nothing to add that hasn't been fed to you by conservative talking points spread all over the conservative websites?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 08:46 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
been fed to you by conservative talking points


And what are you eating?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 08:59 am
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Man Who Left Four to Die in Benghazi: “We don’t leave men and women in uniform behind”


I'll give you a hand Parados. The people in Benghazi were not in uniforms, so they don't count. Glad we got that out of the way.

http://www.jammiewf.com/assets/obamafail93-150x150.jpg

Quote:
As President Barack Obama starts his third overseas trip in less than three months, he finds himself once again peppered with questions about his foreign policy, even as he attempts to cement his own legacy on the world stage.

Obama landed Tuesday in Poland, his first stop, on a mission to reassure nervous allies in Eastern Europe after Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.

His three-nation journey comes as Republicans have unleashed a new line of attack questioning his judgment in exchanging five Taliban prisoners held at the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for the return of a former prisoner of war, Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

At a news conference in Warsaw, Obama defended the decision.

“We don’t leave men and women in uniform behind,” the President said.

Chris Stevens and three others were unavailable for comment.
Meanwhile, we’ve got a Marine languishing in a Mexican prison and Obama hasn’t lifted a finger to help him. Is there anyone in the media with the stones to call him out on this bullshit of his?


http://www.jammiewf.com/2014/man-who-left-four-to-die-in-benghazi-we-dont-leave-men-and-women-in-uniform-behind/
 

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